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More Details on Apple's Intel Mac

not really - the Pentium D and Pentium EE are dual-core SMP

tdar said:
Intel's Dual support is only on Xeon...
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The Pentium D and Pentium EE are dual core 64-bit chips - which is essentially no different from dual processors (except for the form factor, of course).

So, you can have "dual processor" without a Xeon - but only with the dual-core chips.

Xeons are basically Pentium 4 chips with support for dual or more chips (the wires needed for SMP support are connected to a larger socket with more pins). (http://www.intel.com/products/processor/xeon/index.htm)

Xeons support up to two chips (or 4 processors when dual-core Xeons come out soon). Xeon MP is a version that supports up to 4 Chips (8 CPU with dual-core) on an Intel chipset. Other chipsets for the Xeon MP support up to 32-way systems (see http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/xseries/scalable_family.html for a 32 processor IBM Xeon server).
 
what's the difference

tdar said:
We were not talking cores but CPU's.....but a 4 core would be a great thing......
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But a "core" is a CPU. Putting two CPUs on one chip makes the chip "dual core". Putting 4 CPUs on one chip makes it "quad core".

Why do so many people not realize that a "core" is what we've been calling a "CPU" for so many years?

BTW, did you notice that the story also said that the dual-core Pentium M (Yonah) will be in revenue ship during 2H05 !?!?!?!!! The date for this chip keeps moving closer, not further away!
 
As I posted on another site...

My prediction is that this is the first step to an Apple-HP partnership/acquistion. If Apple's manufacturing is used to producing 1,000,000 powermacs a quarter (hypothetical) are they going to be able to get the same manufacturers that produce cases, mobos, etc. to produce 5,000,000 a quarter if things take off? I think in this space, (as well as distribution) Apple can benefit from that kind of partnership.

I'm predicting within 2 years of Apple going all Intel (2007+2=2009 for the mathematically challenged) Apple and HP will be working together on producing boxes.

Or was it Sony? :eek:

Anyone else for speculation?
 
macmax77 said:
i don't know about first 3 , but i will ,same as you, buy me a PPC , one of the last to have some power in my hands and i am planning to keep it for as long as i can too, after that, back to this
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I think someone needs to start compiling a list of people who keep saying this so when the new Macintel's show up and it becomes blatantly obvious that the Macintel's pwan the PPC's sorry *** I want to make sure they aren't one of the first people online drooling saying "I JUST ORDERED MINE!" And if they are I want to be sure I can throw remarks like these back in their face. :rolleyes:
 
Does this mean that the OS X could be replacing XP?

Could I for instance remove XP from a machine and install OS X?

If Yes: How happy is MS going to be?

Michel
 
mk_in_mke said:
Could I for instance remove XP from a machine and install OS X?

If Yes: How happy is MS going to be?

Michel
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Not likely. OSX will be for Macs only, just like now.
Until we know how they are going to chain OSX to the mac we have no idea about the difficulties to move it to a custom PC.
 
Is It Just Me...

Being a converted type (for about 4 years now), and proud to use Mac H/Ware and OS X as I can just get on with stuff without having to re-boot every 2 secs or so, is it just me, or does all this talk about Intel, P2,P3, etc make you think were all talking about Windows? :eek:

I'm all for the strategic direction Steve and Co are taking to improve the Mac area, but decades of association of Windows with Intel means it's hard for me to not feel a bit depressed about using Intel. I keep seeing Pentium and having images of B.S.D. (Blue Screen Of Death!!!) :( :eek: :mad:

I need to see it to believe it...

In The FLESH!!!!!!

This is where we see how good Jon Ive and his team REALLY are. The software dev guys have done wonders with OS X and Apple apps, but the hardware side.??? I've got full confidence is John, though, as he is an ex- Newcastle Poly student. TOON ARMY!!! :D
 
AidenShaw said:
What does "pwan" mean? Is it a typo, or some lingo?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwned


The verb pwn (past tense: pwned, pwnd, pwn'd, or pwnt) as used by the Internet gaming subculture, means to beat or dominate an opponent. While it originated as a typing error of the word own, it is now used intentionally by many members of the subculture. The term has become so ubiquitous in Internet circles that it is often used outside of gaming contexts; for example, "He just got pwned in that debate" or "The hunters pwned that bear."
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AidenShaw said:
So it was a typo of a lingo - thanks for the clarification. :D
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I'm pretty sure that is where 1337 speak came from. Someone accidentally hit a 3 instead of the e below it and gave birth to one of the most annoying languages since pig Latin. :D

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paulypants said:
God I hope not, the biggest joke in the computer industry to me is Intel integrated graphics...bllllaaaaarrrghh!!
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So what the hell do you want them to put in a DEVELOPERS box?? How about an ATI 800XT and bump the price up another $400. All their going to be doing is running Xcode and using an editor for now.

Some of you guys are being so girly about this whole thing. This machine bears absoultley no resembelance to the machines that apple are currently designing for the market.

Do you really think Steve would bring out a crap computer and call it a Mac?
 
SiliconAddict said:
Guess we know why the PowerMac is going to be the last system to be updated. :D However I can only imagine the heat of a quad core device. But imagine. Dual CPU quad cores......*dies from dehydration from drooling* :D
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MMMMMMmmmmmmm.......ac!

I guess i will buy a iMac instead of a PM and upgrade again in 2-3years with the new PM series.
This is Awsome!!!
 
SiliconAddict said:
I think someone needs to start compiling a list of people who keep saying this so when the new Macintel's show up and it becomes blatantly obvious that the Macintel's pwan the PPC's sorry *** I want to make sure they aren't one of the first people online drooling saying "I JUST ORDERED MINE!" And if they are I want to be sure I can throw remarks like these back in their face. :rolleyes:
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This is awesomely funny. And it will be obvious from the first Yonah powered PB. The 970MP ( _if_ it shows up before Q2 '06) will give some life to the high-end, but that'll be the last gasp for the PPC enamored.
 
tdar said:
We were not talking cores but CPU's.....but a 4 core would be a great thing......
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A 2- or 4-core CPU is probably better than a 2- or 4-way SMP machine, because the cores are essentially full CPUs themselves. But in a multi-core CPU, the cores can share data/threads more quickly because they're so closely integrated and running at such high speed.

The fastest part of a computer is what's happening inside the CPU. Anything that leaves the CPU has to slow down in transit to the FSB speed, which includes movement from one G5 CPU to the other in a dual G5. The speed inside the CPU will be in terms of gigahertz, while the FSB speed will be in terms of hundreds of megahertz - significantly slower.
 
sbarton said:
Some of you guys are being so girly about this whole thing. This machine bears absoultley no resembelance to the machines that apple are currently designing for the market.
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Amen.

These are developer machines!
They are being rented to developers for a year.
These are not the actual computers.

They are very far from what Apple will actually release.

What Apple will release will not use a Penitum 4 (thank God), will have much more decent graphics, and use a very Mac-like BIOS, will likely have an enabler chip that Mac OS X checks for at startup, and it will probably not have half of the case empty... :rolleyes:
 
VicMacs said:
this is what should happen

1. Prices go down at least 30%
2. All PC Graphics card supported
3. Windows able to run on macs
4. Tiger not able to run on PCs
5. Dual "Dual" Core chips replace dual G5
6. A dual core notebook within a year
7. Apple sends me one right away
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Re: #4. Tiger will not run on non-hacked PCs. PC hackers will, within three-to-six months of the first real Mactel powerbook have it running on non-Apple PCs. I can't see how Jobs & Co. can stop it.

However, that is just a small part of the very large PC market, so probably of very little concern.
 
tdewey said:
PC hackers will, within three-to-six months of the first real Mactel powerbook have it running on non-Apple PCs. I can't see how Jobs & Co. can stop it.
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With an enabler chip soldered on the motherboard is how they could stop it.
 
About prices?

First i thought that the prices might drop if we moved to intel, but now im rethinking. In all those benchmarks we have seen with G5 vs PC, the pricetag on the PC:s rarely went under the G5, correct me if im wrong. I think the pro line wont drop abit. Likely the displays will be cheaper but that has ofcourse nothing to do about the intel move.
But I do think the consumer line might have a smaller pricedrop.

What do you think?
 
Dual-Booting a Mac sounds interesting.

I rarely need Windows, but those two or three times a decade I need it would be kinda neat to dick around with.
 
weezer160 said:
Can somebody please enlighten us with Intel chip code-names, etc... I don't even know what's out there, and it would be nice to think in terms of names (ie. G4, G5, etc...). I think there are a lot of people out there who think that 3.6 GHz P4 will be what's shipping in PM... but perhaps in the mac mini next year :rolleyes:
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The important chips:

Yonah : upcoming 32-bit dual core Pentium-M. 1H 2006 or 4Q 2005.
Merom: 64-bit dual-core mobile based on Yonah. 2H 2006
Conroe: 64-bit dual-core desktop based on Yonah. 2H 2006
Woodcrest: 64-bit dual-core server based on Yonah. Late 2006
Whitefield: 64-bit quad-core server based on Yonah. 2007

Tom's Hardware as a very interesting overview of why Intel is dropping the Pentium 4 line (high power/max cycles) and going Pentium-M (low power/more power per cycle) on all its lines:

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050525/index.html
 
Quartz Extreme said:
With an enabler chip soldered on the motherboard is how they could stop it.
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They'll just find a way to emulate the chip in software or dupe the chip. Again--the vast majority of PCs won't ever run MacOS X. But once it is on x86, Hackers will find a way to make it work.
 
tdewey said:
They'll just find a way to emulate the chip in software or dupe the chip. Again--the vast majority of PCs won't ever run MacOS X. But once it is on x86, Hackers will find a way to make it work.
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Probably true, but as this is critical to Apple's hardware sales, I think they'll put a lot of effort into making it hard to bypass. I'm sure they already have something in the works to do this (after all OS X has been "leading a secret double life" for 5 years)
 
tdar said:
It's not false....Try to load a Dell supplyed XP CD on a HP and then tell me it's false.....
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Well, I know from personal experience that you can format and install a fresh retail version of XP on an brand new HP laptop. I've done it.

That's one thing I can't stand about PC laptops: all of the junk that comes pre installed! I hope Apple never does that.
 
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