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Soooo correct me if I am wrong. AT&Ts reasoning behind this switch is because their network is being bogged down by users right? To justify this switch they say they will have a 2gb cap but 98 percent of its users do not reach 2gb on a monthly basis so they say its not a big deal. How is this going to help their network problems? 98 percent of their users will still be using the same amount of data that they always have right? Maybe they should just spend some of their time and money on making their sh!# network better instead...

The reason they said they did it is to offer lower priced smartphone data plans to make the iphone and other smartphone devices available and more affordable to more people.

As for the bandwidth savings, that 2% as noted above, use a significant amount of resources. Some will leave, some will pay more, or some will curtail their usage. We will most likely also see an enforcement of the 5 gig soft cap on the unlimited plan once they get everything settled.

The reality is a small percentage of people providing a small percentage of the revenue were using a significant percentage of the resources.
 
The reason they said they did it is to offer lower priced smartphone data plans to make the iphone and other smartphone devices available and more affordable to more people.

Sure. Because AT&T gives a **** about that. They didn't do it to gouge their customers at all.

And quit spouting your 98% number as if it means "98% of users never go over 2GB" instead of "98% of users in a month don't go over 2GB".
 
If 2% of the users are using 50% of the bandwidth (which some other posters have suggested, I don't know whether that's correct), they will double the bandwidth available for the remaining users while losing only 2% of their existing users. (And of course probably attract many new light users with the $15 plan.

2 percent of users using 50 percent of the bandwidth? What are there people using their iphones as servers? I find that very hard to believe.
 
A new twist....

testing out my unlimited 3G.... saw some updates to apps that I own and tried to update them... a no go unless I was WIFI or connected to iTunes...
 
Wrong. Sprints 3G flies as well. It's ATTS awful 3G that stinks, and I highly doubt its due to too much traffic. Verizon and Tmobiles is also far superior to ATTs. I know Luke Wilson says otherwise, but he's wrong.

AT&T has the fastest 3G is the US. I am in Dallas Texas and I regularly test my 3G speeds at around 2500 kbps. Fast enough for me and if you do a little research AT&T regularly beats out all other major carriers in 3G speed.

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/02/24/att-tops-3g-speed-test.html
 
I don't own an iPhone, so this might be a dumb question, but I will still ask: if I opt for the 200MB plan, but most of the time use WiFi (office, home, ATT hotspots), without turning off the 3G data, will ATT still deduct MBs from my allotted 200MBs?

AFAIK, AT&T won't since iPhone OS will go over to WiFi if it's turned on.
 
They can, as long as they continue to re-subscribe to the $30 plan (which happens automatically unless you cancel). Once you cancel, though, you're stuck with the new plans.

To some extent it's still a bait and switch - for example, people (me) bought the ipad 3g with the promise that we could activate the $30 when we needed it, and deactivate it when we don't need it. That is no longer true - to have true unlimited, you need to continuously pay $30 each month, even if some months you plan on using 0 minutes.



as often as that chestnut is repeated, no one seems to be able to cite any evidence for it, and at&t seems to have continuously denied it.

Thank you, cmaier! I'm glad there are a few who get it.
 
I think this is a great idea. I can keep my $30/month plan, my Father can get the $25/month plan since he doesn't need 5GB, and my Step-Mom can go down to the $15/month plan. This makes it possible for people to have the iPhone for $55/month+taxes, as opposed to $70+taxes.

This totally makes sense.
 
I was a little peeved until I looked at my usage and will be happy for these new plans. My wife uses no more than 60mb a month and I am at about 800mb month so we can easily switch and save a few bucks. Works for me :)
 
Sprint exec said they're not going to block tethering programs. In other words, people are already using Pdanet on their EVOs to tether. No charge. With Sprints permission. And the indication he gave is they wont block the Wifi tether option in Froyo. Sorry ATT, but you dont stand a chance.
 
Sure. Because AT&T gives a **** about that. They didn't do it to gouge their customers at all.

And quit spouting your 98% number as if it means "98% of users never go over 2GB" instead of "98% of users in a month don't go over 2GB".

What difference does that make?

I already showed you how it would be cheaper.

Yeah AT&T doesn't care about getting more customers by offering a more affordable price.

Never seen you this whiney before.. It is disconcerting.
 
What....

Okay, I understand the iPhone grandfather thing, and itworks for me since I have a old 3G (still dumb!).
Now for my 3G iPad, I only got the 14.99 plan cause I don't travel that much but liked the idea of unlimited, so should I get unlimited know so I'm grandfathered? Or am I out of luck with the iPad? If I can still get unlimited then I will bite the bullet to be safe. Thanks for any info.
AT&T needs to write it more clearly, though I think they want to mess with the wording on purpose.
 
um...here is a look at AT&T's first quarter profits for 2010..

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/...d=news_view&newsId=20100421005930&newsLang=en

something tells me they're doing pretty well, without these tiered data plans..

particularly this remark:

"We’re off to a great start to the year, and our fundamental outlook for the business continues to be quite positive,” said Randall Stephenson, AT&T chairman and chief executive officer.

so lets stop acting like a strong consumer advocate/rights movement is unnecessary in this country. It's people like you who stick up for billionaires who want to become trillionaries because you either are one yourself, or dont know enough for your own good to realize that as much as those pretty little commercials might lead you to believe it, big business interest and consumer interests are about as polarized in this country as tea partiers and people with common sense.

Money and profit isn't the only issue here, network performance and reliability have been the biggest complaint by Iphone users on AT&T, remember? What better way to improve that than to start deterring people from exhorbitant bandwidth use sooner rather than later. Sure one way is to upgrade infrastructure and throw resources at the problem (the PC solution) but it seems like they've taken a play directly out of the Apple playbook and are trying to cut waste and squeeze every ounce of value out of what they already have as well.
 
um...here is a look at AT&T's first quarter profits for 2010..

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/...d=news_view&newsId=20100421005930&newsLang=en

something tells me they're doing pretty well, without these tiered data plans..
Nah, diluted EPS dropped year-over-year. Their revenues were nearly flat (up 0.3% same period y-o-y).

Remember, AT&T is paying a 6% dividend to shareholders. This is not a company that's growing.

AT&T is not a moneymaker. Its value increases barely above inflation. The company is safe haven for investors during troubling times, not a cash cow. Trust me, I'm an AT&T shareholder (a few shares, not a lot). Like I mentioned before, AT&T is a pretty safe investment, one that pays 6% dividends. That's better than sticking your money in a stupid CD or savings account.
 
Money saver for me on my iPhone. AT&T is trying to make their network tolerable for individuals that are disenchanted due to call dropping. They also want to entice new users on the light end for a cheap $15 data plan.

Even if Verizon comes out with the iPhone I'll stick with AT&T. Those of you angry about this news should use the wifi a little more. It's a whole lot faster and enjoyable experience.
 
In the past 10 months, I've used a total of 10 gigs. The new plan doesn't bother me at all.

If it gets rid of the bandwidth hogs, so much the better.
 
What difference does that make?

I already showed you how it would be cheaper.

Yeah AT&T doesn't care about getting more customers by offering a more affordable price.

Never seen you this whiney before.. It is disconcerting.

I'm mostly pissed about the ipad bait & switch.

As for saving money, I may or may not. It depends on my particular usage from month. But a thing that annoys me is the hypocrisy and lying. AT&T did NOT do this to benefit customers. It did this because it wants to wring as many dollars from its customers as possible before everyone bolts for verizon, and they want to do it without having to invest in network infrastructure.


You may be too young to remember this, but there was a time when we all paid by the byte for our networking. The world was not a better place then.
 
so when will they start doing data rollover then? if you pay for 2 gigs you should be able to roll that over if you do not go over.
 
Funny, because just about every other developed country is doing fine with their absurdly fast/large bandwidth and cheap prices...

You should spend some more time in other countries, you will find unlimited data to be fairly uncommon.

Wrong. Sprints 3G flies as well. It's ATTS awful 3G that stinks, and I highly doubt its due to too much traffic. Verizon and Tmobiles is also far superior to ATTs. I know Luke Wilson says otherwise, but he's wrong.

No ones 3G network operates at the rated capacity...Usage actually is the reason they slow down. Verizon may feel faster in some places because they distribute across more towers. In most nationwide surveys of actual data performance AT&T is actually the fastest of the crappy service they all provide.

Sure. Because AT&T gives a **** about that. They didn't do it to gouge their customers at all.

And quit spouting your 98% number as if it means "98% of users never go over 2GB" instead of "98% of users in a month don't go over 2GB".

I think expanding the market for iPhone customers is actually a valid and in fact only reason for the 200MB plan. You can not see the 200MB plan as anything but that. It's existence is only a benefit to low bandwidth customers. If they were simply out to gouge everyone they would have only created the $25/2GB plan.


I'm mostly pissed about the ipad bait & switch.

I think this is understandable. The freedom to turn on and off unlimited data was an advertised feature.



You may be too young to remember this, but there was a time when we all paid by the byte for our networking. The world was not a better place then.

I am not too young to remember that time, and I did not like it either. I also operated an ISP right at the time unlimited Internet access became popular. I have spent the past 15 years working with service providers as a consultant on capacity planning for their data networks. It is not uncommon at all to see less than 2% of customers utilizing more than 50% of available resources. This has become an untenable situation for data service providers across the board.

Unlimited minutes work because there is a finite limit to the amount of time a person can keep a single device connected. The amount of network bandwidth required to sustain that connection is also finite.

The same is not true for a data. Theoretically a user can use their maximum bandwidth 24 hours a day. If you reduce the available bandwidth to confine the data usage to reasonable levels, all customers will suffer with slower performance. If you artificially restrict the "bandwidth hogs", they will sue you. On a mobile network the bandwidth hogs will be umm mobile making it difficult to predict bandwidth utilization. In short the only choice they have offering unlimited data is to ultimately lose money or offer sub-standard performance. ALL 3G networks in the US currently offer normal performance far below their rated capacity.

The problem exists to a lesser extent for land based services, but it is normally cheaper and much easier to add capacity and your heavy users tend to stay in one spot so you can make adjustments accordingly. (I realize this does not stop cable companies from testing/implementing caps).

The iPad change is troublesome. AT&T knew all of this going into it. They can not offer up ignorance as an excuse. Existing iPad owners should be able to retain the ability to activate and deactivate the old unlimited plan for some reasonable life of the device. The way they handled the iPhone was fair and proper.
 
don't forget

if you continue your current plan, (not signing up for a new rate, and not signing for two years) you'll pay full retail for the next phone, not the subsidized price.

:)
 
2 percent of users using 50 percent of the bandwidth? What are there people using their iphones as servers? I find that very hard to believe.

They're using more bandwidth than more than half of all users.

Do the math.

68% use less than 200MB, say 100MB on average. That .68 * 100 = 68 units of bandwidth. 2% use more than 2GB, say 4GB on average, that's .02 * 4000 = 80 units of bandwidth.

Knock out the top 2%, and 3G data could go twice as fast for the bottom 68% when things are bottlenecked at the backhaul.
 
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"How can we offer Teathering, but still screw our customers for a few more dollars, and provide even less service?" ~AT&T
 
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