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The guy on PhoneDog made a very good point. The only unfair part of this is the extra charge for tethering. It would be fine if you were getting an extra 2GB per month but instead you are paying an extra $20 per month and your laptop is sharing the same 2GB as your phone.
 
Pay-for-usage is the only way to go for bandwidth. We have been spoiled since the Internet came onto the scene in that many companies have gone out of their way to place no restrictions on its use. That's why we get these flat-rate, unlimited plans for home internet usage as well as cellular.

But at the end of the day, what is the difference between megabytes, kilowatt hours, gallons of water, and therms? For the last three of these items, it is standard practice to pay for whatever we use. So if we use more water, natural gas, or electricity, we pay to do so. It's simple.

Yet for some reason people take an entirely different approach when it comes to paying for internet service, where anything short of unlimited data for a low price is seen as a sign of corporate greed. But what is the difference between delivering megabytes and electricity? Both take a lot of capital expenditure to deliver, and a lot of maintenance. They are both commodities. So why would we be perfectly comfortable paying for kilowatt hour usage but not megabyte usage?

The reality is that communications companies are likely scared to death of this just as much as their customers are. If AT&T is right that 98% of their customers use less than 2GB of data per month, then they likely have a lot of people paying for a lot more data than they are actually using. If these companies offered usage-billing like other utilities do, they'd likely see a collapse in revenues. So the "unlimited" plans have actually served these companies very well, I would tend to believe.
 
What bothers me about this new fee schedule... If you go to the Apple and also the At and T website and click on the service part it still has the older pricing. Apple is always good with updating its website. It would be good customer service to just mention these new changes on their website? :confused:

why the plan is still available today? why would they change it?
 
Wasn't "unlimited data"only ever temporary?
or is image faked?

apple-creation-0369-rm-eng-1275507174.jpg


http://www.tuaw.com/2010/06/02/candid-answers-from-atandt-on-the-new-iphone-data-plans/

EDIT: Just checked endgadgets photo blog of the launch and is seems fake.
Got me there. :D
 
why the plan is still available today? why would they change it?

Apple needs to have an additional section for pricing after June 7 because they you can't order the product and get it with the current pricing.

As it stands right now, anyone looking and ordering the iPad ASSumes they will get the posted pricing. And they won't.
 
Pay-for-usage is the only way to go for bandwidth. We have been spoiled since the Internet came onto the scene in that many companies have gone out of their way to place no restrictions on its use. That's why we get these flat-rate, unlimited plans for home internet usage as well as cellular.

But at the end of the day, what is the difference between megabytes, kilowatt hours, gallons of water, and therms? For the last three of these items, it is standard practice to pay for whatever we use. So if we use more water, natural gas, or electricity, we pay to do so. It's simple.

Yet for some reason people take an entirely different approach when it comes to paying for internet service, where anything short of unlimited data for a low price is seen as a sign of corporate greed. But what is the difference between delivering megabytes and electricity? Both take a lot of capital expenditure to deliver, and a lot of maintenance. They are both commodities. So why would we be perfectly comfortable paying for kilowatt hour usage but not megabyte usage?

The reality is that communications companies are likely scared to death of this just as much as their customers are. If AT&T is right that 98% of their customers use less than 2GB of data per month, then they likely have a lot of people paying for a lot more data than they are actually using. If these companies offered usage-billing like other utilities do, they'd likely see a collapse in revenues. So the "unlimited" plans have actually served these companies very well, I would tend to believe.

I have no problem with paying for what I use, I'd be happy if they stop there. I'd rather them not tell me how to use it (no tethering without an extra charge). I'll buy my 2G, but if I want to use it through the laptop, then so be it. If I go over, charge me, I used it, I'll pay for it. My electric company could care less what I plug in, as long as I pay for what I use. That's my only issue. I'll gladly pay my way.

And yes, the 'under' users should be upset when they see how much they use and what they are paying for.
 
I'm voting Photoshop. It's an engadget thing to do.

Couldn't find the keynote, and endgadget's photoblog seems to suggest its fake.

Unlimited data was too good to be true - but by not allowing overage top ups, this plan does rather take the mick.
 
Flaw in this reasoning...part 2

Pay-for-usage is the only way to go for bandwidth. We have been spoiled since the Internet came onto the scene in that many companies have gone out of their way to place no restrictions on its use. That's why we get these flat-rate, unlimited plans for home internet usage as well as cellular.

But at the end of the day, what is the difference between megabytes, kilowatt hours, gallons of water, and therms? For the last three of these items, it is standard practice to pay for whatever we use. So if we use more water, natural gas, or electricity, we pay to do so. It's simple.

Yet for some reason people take an entirely different approach when it comes to paying for internet service, where anything short of unlimited data for a low price is seen as a sign of corporate greed. But what is the difference between delivering megabytes and electricity? Both take a lot of capital expenditure to deliver, and a lot of maintenance. They are both commodities. So why would we be perfectly comfortable paying for kilowatt hour usage but not megabyte usage?

The reality is that communications companies are likely scared to death of this just as much as their customers are. If AT&T is right that 98% of their customers use less than 2GB of data per month, then they likely have a lot of people paying for a lot more data than they are actually using. If these companies offered usage-billing like other utilities do, they'd likely see a collapse in revenues. So the "unlimited" plans have actually served these companies very well, I would tend to believe.

This is a stop gap measure by AT&T.

Going by your reasoning, then why not offer a fully pay per use method like water/electricity/etc. So let's take $25 and divide that into the 2GB of data into 1mb chunks and charge exactly what we use by this rate.

By your reasoning, shouldn't AT&T offer that? Of course they won't!


The truth is, water is a resource.....data plan is a service. Big difference.

The last time I checked, more people on the network = more money for AT&T = spend that money to expand the network. AT&T is basically acting like that landlord who collects the money and invest very little to the property.

my .02
 
How are they ripping you off exactly?

By making the plans so complicated to use that people will end up paying more than they expect.

This is typical, make the contract complicated so that you can charge more then the customer expects.

Phone companies, banks, insurance, etc. You need a law degree to understand the contract.
 
Here's an idea, for those existing unlimited plan owner, are they going to be able to track if you have tethered or not. If they can, then just keep the "grandfathered" plan and tether all you want too.....:cool:
 
Cell data usage sounds expensive over there in the US. Here in Finland it's entirely normal that we pay €9,80/month for unlimited data and that includes tethering (like the carriers would care how we use our connection).

;)
 
Of course after the new iPhone launches they will change the plans again. The only reason they are "grandfathering" these in for now is because otherwise this would be considered a change of contract and people would be able to leave without paying an ETF.

New contracts won't have this problem so when people go out and buy the new iPhone they will be stuck again.

Bah to the people defending AT&T just because they hold the iPhone crown.
 
But at the end of the day, what is the difference between megabytes, kilowatt hours, gallons of water, and therms? For the last three of these items, it is standard practice to pay for whatever we use. So if we use more water, natural gas, or electricity, we pay to do so. It's simple.[/QU

it's not the same. I pay a monthly one time fee for uverse they don't charge a per tv show usage fee! I have local phone service at my home they don't charge a per call fee when I call locally!
 
it's not the same. I pay a monthly one time fee for uverse they don't charge a per tv show usage fee! I have local phone service at my home they don't charge a per call fee when I call locally!

Yes it is the same. Some utilities are unlimited. Some are pay per use.
 
Just Switch already, will you....

Seriously getting tired of all the whining and bitching about Apple, AT&T and AT&T's 3G service. If things are that bad, there are other choices. There are several phones comparable to the iphone on Verizon and some of the other carriers. Just switch already to the carrier / phone you perceive to be better and let's stop the whining.
 
Only the beginning

I believe AT&T will soon get rid of its unlimited data plan for home internet use as well. Then it will really hit the fan.
 
Tierd is a step backward anyway you want to slice it. Land line internet providers want to do the same thing. Not because they are losing money but so they can make more without investing in infrastructure upgrades. The essentially want to throttle everyone by making us think twice about our usage. Guess what I don't want to think twice.

To everyone happy about this realize in the future you most likely need at least 2gb and more. So your excitement of scaling back to a $15 plan based on your current usage will be short lived. We will all pay more for less. Economies of scale are supposed to bring prices down and offer the consumer more. Not so with the cell companies the more data users mean we get less even though the are rolling in cash. They can do it it because the are semi monopolies.
 
People have the right to whine.

Seriously getting tired of all the whining and bitching about Apple, AT&T and AT&T's 3G service. If things are that bad, there are other choices. There are several phones comparable to the iphone on Verizon and some of the other carriers. Just switch already to the carrier / phone you perceive to be better and let's stop the whining.
 
What about new iPhone Customers

I have the BlackBerry unlimited data and text.

So will that be affected? And Since I plan on getting an iPhone whne it is released June 7 *crosses fingers* will I be able to still be grandfathered in?

It is very annoying annoying AT&T is doing this as a loyal customer since high school (1999) and if Verizon doesn't do anything like this, I'd go to them in a second if they get the phone.
 
Skype Ftw

I'll get the iPhone with the iPad data plan:

(2 gigabytes) / (64 kbps) = 4,369 minutes with SKYPE
 
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