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When using AIM on my 3G the battery lasts about 3 to 3.5 hours is all. Thats with nothing else on, no push, no location nada. kevin

I hop on twitter and facebook every 20/30 mintues, do a fair amount of texting, couple of phone calls, internet, listen to about 10-15 songs per day during downtime at court, sometimes known to play a little Tiger Woods back at the office. I also have a couple jailbreaks that do weather updating in real time.

I've been extremely impressed with my iPhone's battery life.
 
I'd think it's more the software. As good as the hardware specs are, the fact that there aren't 100K apps (just a few dozen android at best) means you can't do what you want to with it.
Actually, there are tons of Android Apps, many of them are far better than the iPhone equivalent, look at an application called "Where" it is available for both, but the Android version has far more features because the SDK isn't as limiting as Apple's. Then there are tons of programs that will search for and download completely free music on the Android phones, but not on the iPhone (unless it is Jailbroken of course). The list goes on and on, but there are plenty.

I think the Motorola phone could give the iPhone a run for it's money, but it needs to be available to all carriers and then it really could give it a run.
 
Then there are tons of programs that will search for and download completely free music on the Android phones, but not on the iPhone (unless it is Jailbroken of course).

Most (not all, but most) free music isn't music that most people are interested in.

The overwhelming majority of people are more intereted in the new Rhianna single or latest from John Mayer, which usually isn't free.

It's a nice feature for some, but hardly a "killer" feature for people who just want to listen to pop music.
 
There are some 30-40 million people that don't agree. I see me never having a real keyboard on a phone again.

Those 30-40 million people didn't have an option to have something as good but with a keyboard before. If Apple had two versions of the iPhone exactly the same except one with a slide out keyboard, I'd bet those numbers would change drastically, at least to an even split or more in favor of physical keys.
 
The Droid has a physical keyboard AND a virtual keyboard. Best of both worlds? I guess we'll see.
 
Because it's something I wish the iPhone had? I like physical buttons. You can't really operate an iPhone without looking at it. It's nice to be able to pull out my phone and navigate to my voicemail while driving without needing to look at what I'm doing, plus it's faster and easier than trying to voice-navigate over my bluetooth.

My perfect iPhone would be dual sided. Full screen on one side but then it folds in half like a flip phone and has a small screen and a keypad on the inside like a typical flip phone. That's one thing I love about flip phones, you just flip them open to talk. I'm sure that Apple would be able to make the break in the screen seamless when opened up somehow.

The fold would be a hardware point of failure, along with the keyboard. The iPhone has very few moving parts, which is good.
 
Sounds like a great phone, I hope Motorolla can deliver a good phone based upon its specs.

I want to be able to use any network I like, especially when travelling, so thats an instant show stopper for the iPhone.

Unfortunately, Motorolla don't have a good track record for great phones, IMO.
 
Because it's something I wish the iPhone had? I like physical buttons. You can't really operate an iPhone without looking at it. It's nice to be able to pull out my phone and navigate to my voicemail while driving without needing to look at what I'm doing, plus it's faster and easier than trying to voice-navigate over my bluetooth.

My perfect iPhone would be dual sided. Full screen on one side but then it folds in half like a flip phone and has a small screen and a keypad on the inside like a typical flip phone. That's one thing I love about flip phones, you just flip them open to talk. I'm sure that Apple would be able to make the break in the screen seamless when opened up somehow.

This is what kills me...YOU SHOULDN'T be doing that while driving, unless you have voice controls built into your car... You think you are good at it...guess what the person behind you disagrees...
 
The competition gets better and better.
It remains to be seen, how well the software will work, how good the physical keyboard is, whether surfing Flash websites will kill the battery life, etc but the specs sure look nice.

Let's hope it'll push Apple to release more than just a minor hardware update next year. Higher res screen, camera with autofocus, stuff like that ...

And yes they will have to bump the screen res at SOME point. Old apps will still work. I don't see a reason why they couldn't.
 
This is what kills me...YOU SHOULDN'T be doing that while driving, unless you have voice controls built into your car... You think you are good at it...guess what the person behind you disagrees...

I guess you don't ever operate a radio, heat, ac, or your windows while driving either...:rolleyes:
 
Several Things

1. I type at 25 words per minute on the iPhone's keyboard. I can't beat that on a physical miniature keyboard. However, if you have long nails or are overweight or otherwise have big fingers, then you have a legitimate concern with the on-screen keyboard.

2. The Droid ads are targeting the 5% of the population who are geeks like us with statements like "iDon't multitask" and "iDon't have widgets". Most people will find those ads confusing, and confusing people usually doesn't create sales. I wonder if these ads were created by using a focus group of computer geeks.

3. The iPhone's main advantage is its applications, and the main reason for that is the stable, consistent platform for those apps. Developers not only have a rich and growing set of APIs, those APIs are for hardware with exactly the same screen dimensions and resolutions. Conversely, it's much more difficult to develop attractive, usable applications for small screens when the screen dimensions change. (On a computer screen, most applications have a minimum resolution and are relatively unconstrained by screen space.)

4. There have been a lot of iPhone competitors: T-mobile's G-phone, the Blackberry Storm, the Pre, some other minor ones, and now this. None have made a dent. That's because they copy parts of the iPhone's form factor but don't copy the iPhone's business model. Instead they add features that sound good but end up slowing the device down or making it confusing to us. They also fail to provide a consistent platform. Pre is releasing the Pixi, which just clouds the waters and lets developers know that everything is always going to be changing. If the competitors want to copy Apple, they should build a consistent platform provides great developer tools while still protecting core functionality. For example, the Pre multitasks, but it slows to a crawl without a geek to manage it.
 
I guess you don't ever operate a radio, heat, ac, or your windows while driving either...:rolleyes:

I'm really pleased that the 'cell phone' ban is going into effect in Ontario.

Its arrogant of people to think that they dial their phone , worse SMS whilst driving a car. These type of people should have their licenses revoked immediately.
 
I'm really pleased that the 'cell phone' ban is going into effect in Ontario.

Its arrogant of people to think that they dial their phone , worse SMS whilst driving a car. These type of people should have their licenses revoked immediately.

For your information I don't dial and text while driving. My argument is that the iPhone is useless while driving because it requires you to be looking at the thing. I can click a couple buttons on my RAZr without averting my attention, no different than changing a radio station or changing a song on my stereo or ipod.
 
as long as the battery life is pretty decent and it gets wifi, I'm in. Verizon + a decent phone is sadly greater than ATT+ Iphone

I travel around the USA a lot and Verizon is the only carrier that seems to be where I am. I'd love an iPhone, but will settle for the best that Verizon can provide me.

By the way, the Moto Droid doesn't seem to have GPS, so that may be one way they got the slide-out keyboard to fit in the same space.

I'm also a bit confused...with a 5meg camera and 16 meg of RAM, could you take more than one photo if you've dot some apps and other data in your phone?
 
I have to actually see and feel what the mini keyboards are like in order to judge them, and indeed they could be very hard to type with, but those who say stuff like iPhone's virtual keyboards are somehow an "improvement" over physical keyboards are simply delusional, or talking off the top of their head. You may be able to type very fast on your iPhone, but that's just saying that you are well-adapted to it and extremely good at it. I still can't type very fast on my iPhone after using it for six months, but can type reasonably fast on a Blackberry, which I've never owned. And my fingers are very skinny.

I bet even Apple doesn't really think it's an "improvement". It is rather a compromise, and iPhones are not really supposed to be used for heavy texting/typing. That's what Blackberry is for. Apple would never think of using virtual keyboards (as they are in the current technology) if they make a device where typing is essential.

Sensory reaction is very important for complex input devices, and it's something virtual keyboards can't provide much of. Your brain reacts much faster to tactual sensation than to any other like visual or auditory.

I love my iPhone and am not likely to switch to this device or any other any time soon (I never do major typing on my phone anyway), but let's not get carried away enough to think that virtual keyboards is the future or such. It isn't. Google and Motorola aren't dumb. The physical keyboards are there because they know there is strong demand for them.
 
Why should they care about build quality if you are willing to buy them four times while complaining about it? ;)

Actually bought two, att swapped 2 of them for me....and I'm obviously not buying another one so I guess it took me a little longer to learn my lesson then it would you. Still the question seems legitimate to ask if I were thinking of buying another doesn't it?
 
What?

I call BS.

now your just being passive aggressive.

pre pre pre pre pre pre pre infinity :rolleyes:


God I feel so embrionic after that.


What? So he asked a legitimate question? That isn't passive aggressive. He wasn't trying to sulk, obstruct the topic, or cause ambiguity, it was simply confusing why the pre is relevant.

In reality, comparing the pre to this device isn't logically at all. People tend to use past experiences to argue new situations, when in reality they're not related at all. This device is not the pre, it is a new device with different specs and presumably a different OS, and saying that it will go the same way as the pre, (as in alot of hype amounting to disappointment), is like saying that no new device can beat the iphone because no previous device has. That is simply untrue. The iphone is not the perfect phone, other devices can be made better. Don't compare the phone's situations when they're completely different and we don't even know the complete hardware specs and system OS. :rolleyes:

And what do you mean by feeling embrionic? I felt like an idiot until I goggled the word and realized that it has to do with describing cells found in an embryo. Unless you were being ironic by being more confusing, I don't understand. Hmmm :confused:
 
is the iPhone the "blackberry killer"?

So this is the real "iphone killer"?

Ha! classic response on these forums, who cares about functionality which you haven't tested, lets just base it off aesthetics.


I guess in order to be a true mac fan you have to denounce all things non-apple in order to be considered a true fan. :rolleyes:
 
I travel around the USA a lot and Verizon is the only carrier that seems to be where I am. I'd love an iPhone, but will settle for the best that Verizon can provide me.

By the way, the Moto Droid doesn't seem to have GPS, so that may be one way they got the slide-out keyboard to fit in the same space.

I'm also a bit confused...with a 5meg camera and 16 meg of RAM, could you take more than one photo if you've dot some apps and other data in your phone?

Read it again GIGS not Meg.kevin
 
On-screen keys are a pain, they are slow and suck more attention to position them when doing other things.

Plastic keys are more intuitive and faster when typing, they react faster too.

It is a fact that people text message when driving and doing so with an on-screen keyboard will take the rest of your concentration rather than plastic keys. Or when you are talking to some one.

Actually, I type faster with the iPhone's virtual keyboard. I dont even have to be that accurate because the software "guesses" my word correctly most of the time. But that's me.

It is a fact that people who text while driving need to stop texting or stop driving before they kill somebody in a crash. This is irrespective of whether the keyboard is a hardware keyboard or software keyboard.
 
I wonder how much Lucasfilm, Ltd sold the licensed name "droid" for? I bet a heck of a lot.
 
Actually, I type faster with the iPhone's virtual keyboard. I dont even have to be that accurate because the software "guesses" my word correctly most of the time. But that's me.

I'd be deadly accurate if I didn't have vienna sausages for fingers. It's amazing how well the predictive text works on iPhone.
 
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