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With a v2 iPhone releasing mid-AT&T contract, it is my hope that AT&T will allow current iPhone users to upgrade sans penalties (simply extend their contract another 2 years - if they must - and happily take their $400 for a new device). It really would be in both AT&T and Apple's best interests - or maybe just in mine. :p

ATT (nor any other cell provider) ever punishes you for that kind of upgrade. New phone, add to your new plan. You're not cancelling your contract to leave the company.
 
maybe I did not get you right, but yahoo push mail works for me?!

what i am really missing is multiple sms recipients and mms sending (or even receiving)

copy and paste

video recording would also be nice

assign ringtones to groups

task manager
 
Glad to hear people are still wanting mms. I thought everyone had given up on this. Sure its great to email photos... But I miss getting random pictures from friends and family throughout the day. My wife is now in the habit of using my email address instead of my phone number but how to you get that point across to the rest of your contacts. An old friend who I haven't seen for a while sent me a photo to my phone (mms) but I could not log into AT&T to view it. Sure I could have called him, explained my situation, gave him my email, have him enter it on a phone keypad send it again and crossed my fingers that it comes through, but doesn't that take away the fun of it? Its like getting a postcard... It should be a pleasant suprise, not a chore.

That said... I'd love to have video function. Not sure I need the youtube aspect but capturing bits of video is a great feature. My daughters first steps were caught on my last phone. I don't carry my dv cam everywhere, but I'll always have my phone.

Love to see this happen.
 
While I look forward to see all of these features released by Apple I have to say that not having these yet has not made my experience any less wonderful with this phone. Everyone is upset that these things haven't been released yet but I think are glossing over the fact of how upgradable this device is. It may not be as quick as we would all like but how much time passes between WM releases? And we all know how little changes we've seen with those. Like the quote stated "they're not stupid", I think the best is yet to come. If they can sell millions of phones without said features imagine how many the will sell once they start to roll out. Its a great device for Apples first try and will only get better. Have paitence. There isn't a phone out there that has the potential to improve so dramatically with a simple software update. Not one.
 
Apple's spacing out of updates and leaving out important features like real IM, GPS, and 3G (for a future "spaced out" update?) have cost them at least one customer for the time being.

I have a brand-new AT&T Tilt. While I'm not really content with WM6, this thing can do a lot more than the iPhone can.

And I didn't lose my employer discount in the process, nor do I have to sign a new contract to do this.

Thanks for playing, Apple. Better luck next time.
 


Pocket-lint.co.uk reports that Apple has confirmed that "plenty more upgrades" are coming for the Apple iPhone.

Some even suggest that Apple is spacing out updates intentionally to provide gradually added functionality over months. One insider even claims that Apple is planning on adding video functionality with Youtube upload integration:


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This sounds interesting, as what these updates include is revealed and the sdk is released I will be quite tempted to go out and finally buy a iPhone :)
 
Add it?? Android is an entire mobile OS just like OS X is on the iPhone. You can't just "add" Android without replacing the entire iPhone OS. Kinda like saying Apple should add Linux to Mac OS X (Android is based on Linux btw).

Bootcamp for iPhone:D:D:D
 
Sorry can't get enthusiastic about direct upload of video to You Tube.

Kids seem to be particularly nasty with this stuff, putting up videos of themselves or groups beating people up or worse etc on You Tube. Then bragging about it.

If they can shoot video AND upload from the same phone then it will surly encourage more of this copy cat bullying and criminal behaviour

Technology can be used for good and evil but there is definetly a sinister side to all this.

You tube should have better controls on what they allow on.

Sorry to sound negative but in Australia there has been several rather nasty stories about this type of wretched video on youtube.

Anyway I would never take pictures let alone video on a phone as the quality is so bad. Somebody told me its not all about megapixels, its optics which count.

I would welcome more iphone itouch applications though. In fact make it 3G and bring it to Aus.
 
The best iPhone upgrade would be making it available in Poland.
How long one can wait?
 
ATT (nor any other cell provider) ever punishes you for that kind of upgrade. New phone, add to your new plan. You're not cancelling your contract to leave the company.

the thing is that no telco ever had to pay monthly fees to the mobile phone manufacturer. att has to pay estimated $18/month to apple. the other thing is that the future payments are already in apples financial statements as deferred revenues, ie, apple expects to collect them and the analysts are basing their valuation of apple on those numbers (ie, profit/iphone = 399+24*18-cost).

if they let you just add another year half way through the contract, the profit/iphone would drop by $216, so if there're 10m iphones sold at the point when this is announced, and half of the buyers upgrade their phones approximately halfway of their contract, that would indicate income of $1B less than the analysts were expecting, and of course they'd have to downgrade their future expectations as well.

it'll be interesting to see how they're going to handle this, maybe you need to add two additional years to your contract on upgrade, that wuold be one way to solve the problem.
 
I really don't want to see ANY new features added to the phone UNTIL they add VOICE DIALING!. Voice dialing is a safety issue and safety issues should come FIRST!
 
the thing is that no telco ever had to pay monthly fees to the mobile phone manufacturer. att has to pay estimated $18/month to apple. the other thing is that the future payments are already in apples financial statements as deferred revenues, ie, apple expects to collect them and the analysts are basing their valuation of apple on those numbers (ie, profit/iphone = 399+24*18-cost).

That's false. Carriers have and still do make payments to phone manufacturers just like Apple's. Apple's are higher than others, but RIMM and Palm and everyone else, they all get kickbacks. So while I agree with you that upgrading to a new phone changes the equation, there is no reason to think there will be any penalty.
 
I'm not sure if this has been pointed out, but Apple is accounting for the profits from the iPhone in a weird way.
Most phone companies take cash from their customers - and once they have it, there is no motivation to improve the device. Instead efforts are put into making newer devices to attract new customers. In fact, the law prevents major updates from occurring.

Apple is not recognizing the sales income from the iPhone in the first month. Instead it sees the cash from the sale being a monthly revenue stream which comes in 18 monthly payments. Apple is therefore able to legally continue to upgrade and add functionality to the phone.

Personally I'd like to see.
1) Overhauled email client - including IMAP push.
2) Dot mac integration. Wireless syncing of appointments etc.
3) Bluetooth for stuff other than headsets.
4) More widgets - like language translation
5) Cell location services - local news and traffic
6) File services - iDisk

C.
 
You guys act like Apple is trying to not put certain key features on the iPhone.

Actually, they probably ARE trying to not put certain key features on the iPhone. AT&T has a vested interest in wanting to keep IM software off the iPhone, since it would cut down on their SMS revenue stream. Part of their contract with Apple probably forbids Apple from allowing certain things on the iPhone.

Sure, Apple might eventually release iChat for the iPhone, but if they do, it will be as a paid download in the iTunes iPhone App Store that will probably be announced along with the 3rd Party Developer SDK next year.

One other thing you will NEVER see on the iPhone outside of a hacked, third party version is a VOIP client. Anything that makes AT&T take a hit is going to be kept off the iPhone by Apple.
 
What's the marketing advantage of dragging out the most in-demand features, FLASH, mail-mass-delete, MMS....? Or dragging out bug-fixes like iPod that doesn't crash when surfing...?

First, I don't think it's certain that the features you cite are the most in-demand. I haven't seen any survey data to suggest that they are. That being said, people have been flocking to the iPhone for two reasons above all others... 1) Because it's an Apple product. 2) Because its interface is an unrivaled user experience in itself.

Never underestimate the power of the user experience... because if THAT doesn't work, it doesn't mastter if you have 30, 300 or 3000 features. They'll all suck if the user interface sucks.

Apple tends to release updated hardware/software as they gather more data from the market from their initial "feelers". It works like this... they put out a minimalist product with few but well designed features. They get feedback. They make revisions, additions, etc. based on that feedback, and gradually start introducing other models. This strategy has been so successful for them and is at the core of what made Apple come back from the brink of extinction.

So why don't they release more at once? There's a cardinal rule in business... never lead with your absolute best idea. If you do, how do you top it? People will only be disappointed from there on... and that's what leads to very short product lifetimes. In order for Apple to get the most out of five-six years of iPhone R&D, they're doing what they've done for ten years... making gradual innovations. Microsoft tries it the other way around and now that strategy is starting to hurt them... they put all their eggs in one basket. If that one basket fails to impress, they've got nothing else... and just wasted a decade worth of development only to find out at the end it's a bomb. That's just plain stupid.

Ok Apple, prove it. I have yet to see one major complaint addressed. Copy/paste, Flash, MMS, landscape keyboard in text and email, iChat... those are all major complaints and wants. Fix one of them and maybe I will believe that everything will be given to us over the next few months. I am happy with my phone as is and enjoy new features, but I'm not going to believe this until I see something major addressed.

These are not major complaints. A MAJOR complaint would be one of the incorporated features not working as promised. Of the features that are integrated at present, they're designed in a way that seriously raised the bar on usability... Visual Voicemail, the phone handset interface with the "flip"-able keypad and mute/hold/conferece/call-waiting interfaces... minus some minor implementation complaints that require very small refinements to address, iPhone is by and large brilliantly designed.


I really don't want to see ANY new features added to the phone UNTIL they add VOICE DIALING!. Voice dialing is a safety issue and safety issues should come FIRST!

MAYBE people CONCERNED with VOICE DIALING shouldn't SPEND all their time IN THE CAR on A cell PHONE because STUDIES SHOW that EVEN using HANDSFREE puts a DRIVER at SEVERAL TIMES more RISK for getting into AN ACCIDENT because your MENTAL FOCUS is DIVERTED! Oh AND by the WAY, did you EVER notice HOW DISTRACTING and ANNOYING it is WHEN PEOPLE decide to EMPHASIZE WORDS all the time in CAPS as IF we'RE TOO STUPID to UNDERSTAND your MAGNITUDE OF CONCERN in a given SUBJECT MATTER?
 
That's false. Carriers have and still do make payments to phone manufacturers just like Apple's. Apple's are higher than others, but RIMM and Palm and everyone else, they all get kickbacks. So while I agree with you that upgrading to a new phone changes the equation, there is no reason to think there will be any penalty.

it is not false, they do not get monthly payments after the sale. once they sell the device to the operator, they recognize most of the sale price as their income. apple recognices most of the income as deferred income.

if you don't believe me, take a look at apple's latest financials. it's all there. you can compare those to RIMM's and Palm's financials to see the difference.

also note that the $1B is pure profit and apple's earnings multiple currently at 45. so losing $1B/year in profit would translate into $45B in apple's market cap. no penalty, you say?
 
Bottom line is: Apple wants your money! That's the goal at the end of the day... It's all about profits & growth! :rolleyes: I know I have given them a large share of my $$$ over the years...

On that note, you don't have to be a genius (no pun intended) to see what Apple did to the evolution of the iPod... look where it was when it first came out, then a few years ago, and then to the current lineup. Same thing goes for the iPhone - Apple won't roll-out with all the bells & whistles attached! They'll do it slowly over time (a few killer apps at a time) because it's all about :apple: MONEY!!!
 
......is that really only a software update though?...

Should only be a software update being as a still digital camera takes stills of video. Basically, the camera streams whatever it sees, but only takes still clips. A software update would allow it to record continuous frames of the stream.
 
These are not major complaints. A MAJOR complaint would be one of the incorporated features not working as promised. Of the features that are integrated at present, they're designed in a way that seriously raised the bar on usability... Visual Voicemail, the phone handset interface with the "flip"-able keypad and mute/hold/conferece/call-waiting interfaces... minus some minor implementation complaints that require very small refinements to address, iPhone is by and large brilliantly designed.

I completely disagree with you. A MAJOR complaint does not need to be about something wrong with existing features on the phone. A major complaint can be about a simple feature that many phones have that is missing from iPhone, such as MMS. Look around the many forums on the web and you will see that people continue to complain about lack of MMS, copy/paste and flash. I would say those are major complaints if such a large number of customers continue to want those features supported.
 
I completely disagree with you. A MAJOR complaint does not need to be about something wrong with existing features on the phone. A major complaint can be about a simple feature that many phones have that is missing from iPhone, such as MMS. Look around the many forums on the web and you will see that people continue to complain about lack of MMS, copy/paste and flash. I would say those are major complaints if such a large number of customers continue to want those features supported.

I agree, a major complaint certainly involves something simple like those features, plus video recording, plus forwarding SMS to many recipients. If basic cell phones had these features years ago, something is majorly wrong here, as good as all the rest of the features may be.
 
it is not false, they do not get monthly payments after the sale. once they sell the device to the operator, they recognize most of the sale price as their income. apple recognices most of the income as deferred income.

if you don't believe me, take a look at apple's latest financials. it's all there. you can compare those to RIMM's and Palm's financials to see the difference.

also note that the $1B is pure profit and apple's earnings multiple currently at 45. so losing $1B/year in profit would translate into $45B in apple's market cap. no penalty, you say?

I've looked at the financials - I'm invested in these companies. Even the public reports in the past couple months have compared how large Apple's monthly receipts are compared to the other companies'
 
The iPhone rocks! Typing on it right now :)

one happy UK iPhone user here. Just this little exercise would have been a pain on the Nokia E61 I had. Lovely device and just works with Wifi like a dream. Edge faster than I thought, for my use it is brilliant. And the photo slideshows look gorgeous..... Who needs MMS? Email a picture instead and be sure people can actually receive and use it. This thing is soo coool! Happy happy! :)
 
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