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Then the testosterone clears up, and we're smiling and socializing like nothing happened.~ CB
While I am aware that no single update will please everyone, I just don't understand how people don't complain that the following inherent shortcomings haven't been addressed before rearranging icons:
1. Deleting multiple emails at once (purging deleted items)
2. Flash support (Like it or not a lot of sites use it, including At&t)
3. Multimedia messaging (it's not a niche product)
4. Notes Synchronization
5. To Do list
6. Copy/paste
Nevertheless it is good to see them continually improving the interface. If everyone is content with that fine. I just think there needs to be some prioritization reviewed here.
:1. Deleting multiple emails at once (purging deleted items)
2. Flash support (Like it or not a lot of sites use it, including At&t)
3. Multimedia messaging (it's not a niche product)
4. Notes Synchronization
5. To Do list
6. Copy/paste
Nevertheless it is good to see them continually improving the interface. If everyone is content with that fine. I just think there needs to be some prioritization reviewed here.
mmm... considering this is true, keeping bookmarks on the home screen would require space won't it... or it would just look silly if u were able to keep only 3 bookmarks...!!!
lol.
I did google you, and it looks like you post to your website a lot.
Look, my apologies for 'questioning your integrity.' Good luck with this, hope it works out well for you. As I mentioned, I think you're covered either way - if it comes out with these features, you're a hero. If not, well, maybe they got pulled, or the person who gave this to you has some off branch of the code. You get your traffic either way. And that's cool - it certainly seems to have kept a lot of people entertained.
One response I would have - you mention that "I have no idea about secret keys," although I seem to recall that was a major premise in your argument for proving this was real - in that it installed with the common secret key. If that's really true - that there is a single key that is used to sign all phones - then you've certainly uncovered a huge story, since such an approach would leave a huge hole in iPhone security. All an attacker would need to do is compromise one key to own every single phone.
Happy New Year.
So how do you explain unlocked iPhones running on E-Plus? Perhaps what you meant is that if you purchased a subsidized phone which is locked to T-Mobile then it won't run on a competitors networks. Those are all GSM networks and if your purchase a Nokia or any other GSM phone at full price it will run on any one of them.
Perhaps you aren't interested but the demand is clearly there. Look at how the TurboSIM solution has sold out completely and is going for three times it original price on eBay. Or better yet look examine the 10 different TurboSIM clones that emerged immediately when people realized it was a viable solution. Or you could surf over to one of the many forums dedicated to unlocking the iPhone and take a look at all the posters asking where they can find SIM based solution or those waiting patiently for a new software based solution. You could even get on Apple's board and check out the threads from all the people that bought the €999 unlocked from T-Mobile, only to find Apple dragging their feet to actually unlock the thing. To ignore all of these things is a bit pretentious of you. There is a lot of people that are happy with locked versions but you can't deny the market for unlocked phones. I live in Sweden and have seen a bunch of iPhones around and all of them are unlocked considering it hasn't been released here. I personally can not accept a locked phone as I travel for work and want the liberty to insert local SIM cards, I'm sure there are plenty of people in my situation.
Visual Voice Mail is hardly a key feature, and you make a very big assumption in saying that other carriers would not activate it. In the short time the iPhone was available unlocked in Germany there were carriers offering iPhone purchasers €600 rebates. If a carrier is willing to shell out that kind of money to get new customers then it's not far fetched to assume they would implement Visual Voice Mail provided Apple allowed them too.
Also if the market was open it would help establish Visual Voice Mail as a standard, which is better for the industry as a whole. Carriers would have incentive to upgrade their networks so they are on the same playing field with their competitors. What we have now keeps the market stagnant and will see a bunch of different proprietary solutions coming from different players.
When I said to Google my name, I meant to look at the results that WEREN'T from my own website. Talking about my bio pages on third-party websites like the conferences I speak at, or the NPR radios shows I've been on, or the fact that I was just named one of the Top 25 Innovators in Seattle by Seattle Magazine. I'm just saying, I have a professional reputation, and I wouldn't stupidly put it on the line for a fake iPhone story. I pay the bills with what I do, supporting a wife and a toddler.
As to the whole secret key thing - I don't remember ever making that arguement, unless there is another "term" for secret key? I am still unsure as to what you are referring to. The process for me was - 1) get the firmware and 2) use iTunes to update my iPhone with that firmware.
No weird third-party apps or anything like that involved.
I believe DRGardner is referring to Nate's commentary on Gizmodo.
DRGardner, that has nothing to do with anything Andru is doing, and I think you're misinterpreting the whole thing. I read the Gizmodo story closely enough to at least set you somewhat straight, but this isn't my field. Basically, the comment as I understand it, is that each firmware update is SIGNED by Apple, such that when you actively use iTunes to install the update... it will ONLY work with the proper signature on the file.
If you don't understand the concept of signing a file, this may sound totally weird to you, so its worth noting. If you go into iTunes, you can point iTunes to a firmware update file. This file must be "signed" with Apple's unique digital signature or "key", or the update won't work. If hackers KNEW this "key", they could create their own custom packages and users could go through the same process to install them (voila!) This is NOT a security issue in any sense as manually specifying a firmware update package isn't really how most people do their updates (iTunes downloads the update directly from Apple and then installs it in one shot.)
Suffice it to say, this is not any form of potential "security exploit", with the exception that someone could trick you into downloading and installing a malicious firmware update to your iPhone (as in... YOU would download it to your computer, YOU would then launch iTunes, YOU would then tell iTunes to use this new firmware update file, YOU would then proceed with installing the malicious file onto your phone). It would roughly take a series of bad decisions on your part for that to eventually result in a problem. Right now, without Apple's key, even well-intentioned software programmers can't use iTunes to load software updates onto the phone (which is how Apple would like to keep it).
~ CB
Regarding the dropped pin placement, is it only possible only to get directions to it or are you be able to get something like closest street address?
I'm also wondering if this fixes the most annoying 'bug' in iPhone's Safari: pages (tabs or whatever) open in safari other than the active one (the one you are currently viewing) timeout, become blank and must always be reloaded when switching back to them. This is most absurd behavior in a browser I've ever seen, I don't use Safari on my PC but I'm gonna assume this doesn't happen in any other version.
I'm also wondering if this fixes the most annoying 'bug' in iPhone's Safari: pages (tabs or whatever) open in safari other than the active one (the one you are currently viewing) timeout, become blank and must always be reloaded when switching back to them. This is most absurd behavior in a browser I've ever seen, I don't use Safari on my PC but I'm gonna assume this doesn't happen in any other version.
I would like to be able to re-order (and even remove) buttons, so this update has value for me.
First, these are no publicly available numbers of how many unlocked iPhones T-Mobile actually sold, so "getting on the Apple boards to check out the threads from all the people that bought the 999 unlocked from T-Mobile, only to find Apple dragging their feet to actually unlock the thing" is not and accurate indicator of anything.
The TurboSIM solution being "completely sold out", as you put it, is not an indicator of the true demand for unlocked iPhones. Perhaps where you live it is, but certainly not worldwide.
I never said the demand wasn't there; I said the demand probably wasn't as high as many people - such as yourself - would assume. If it were, Apple would have sold far fewer iPhones in the US, France, Germany and the UK than they have to date.
-In every single promo item released so far regarding the iPhone, Visual Voice Mail is touted as a key feature of the iPhone. Apple itself says that Visual Voice Mail is a key feature. Just because YOU don't see it as a key feature doesn't mean that it's not one.
-There was only ONE single carrier (Debitel, an MVNO who buys time from all of the major D-network carriers) offering the 600 rebate to those who purchased the unlocked iPhone from T-Mobile, and in their calling plan literature they clearly stated that Visual Voice Mail was NOT supported.
-The rebate - like the Vodafone sponsored court injunction that provoked the temporary 600 price hike in the first place, an injunction that was reversed less than one week later by the German courts- was nothing more than a publicity stunt devised by a T-Mobile competitor who regretted not getting the iPhone contract, at least that's how the German tech media saw it.
There is nothing to stop other manufacturers from implementing Visual Voice Mail or other such features of their own into their phones. In fact, Apple and it's partners weren't even the first to implement VVM; it's a technology that's been around for quite some time, but as usual it takes a company like Apple to make a workable solution out of it, so the stagnation argument is IMO bogus. You can't seriously blame Apple for the laziness and incompetence of the mobile phone industry as a whole.
While I am aware that no single update will please everyone, I just don't understand how people don't complain that the following inherent shortcomings haven't been addressed before rearranging icons
1. Deleting multiple emails at once (purging deleted items)
2. Flash support (Like it or not a lot of sites use it, including At&t)
3. Multimedia messaging (it's not a niche product)
4. Notes Synchronization
5. To Do list
6. Copy/paste
Nevertheless it is good to see them continually improving the interface. If everyone is content with that fine. I just think there needs to be some prioritization reviewed here.
And this my friend, is my point, which Cleverboy is missing. Big deal, rearrange icons, fake gps...lets see some real improvements worth fawning all over!
Hmm, OK then. Just for the sake of argument though, raise your hands if you can remember the last time you got a software upgrade of any significance on your Motorola, Nokia, SE, Samsung, Amoi, or ACME handset?
Anyone? Anyone?
I thought so.
I understand your problem though... Anything new about the iPhone is LOUDER than it should be as a general news item and its ruining your personal signal to noise ratio. I can empathize with that. I'd LOVE to read a thread on incremental new features being added to the N95 too though... but, how we're different? Well, I wouldn't go out of my way to post that I'm yawning if I'm not excited. I just move on. Works out for me. I dunno.
You'll need to be able to rearrange icons and use paging before 3rd party apps are introduced (next month, remember?) I think 3rd party apps are more important than anything you listed. Just my opinion though.While I am aware that no single update will please everyone, I just don't understand how people don't complain that the following inherent shortcomings haven't been addressed before rearranging icons
~ CB
Thanks for setting me straight on Nate.
However, I do understand, in great depth, the concept of signing. And I would suggest that if hackers could indeed take advantage of a secret key to trick a user into downloading an unauthorized piece of firmware - well, that's pretty much the definition of a security exploit.
Doesn't matter though, as fun as it is, I don't have time to really follow this or debate in depth, so I'm going to stand by and watch. The crowd has decided that this is real - I obviously don't think so, so will see what happens.
Happy New Year, and here's to lot's of cool Apple updates in the months ahead.
It just occurred to me that, because of a delay on 1.1.3, we'll all have to type our "Happy New Year!" texts one at a time.
Could have been great timing.
You know I thought the same thing when I typed that out a million times last night.
I understand that it is imperative to get things prepped for the SDK, but I think average functionality should have been addressed a long time ago. I just think being able to delete multiple emails, sending a text to multiple recipients and adding multiple attachments to an email is a reasonable expectation.
But I wish making the phone better was a better prioritized. I know they are in the biz to make money. But I get the feeling that adding multiple SMS recipients (increases in texting = $$), excluding ichat (don't lose texting $$), iTMS wifi ($$), and the eagerly awaited SDK (even more $$) all seem to be ways for ATT and apple to keep cashing in, but the non profitable improvements are sort of bleh. We have differences in opinions and that fine. I still think it's a wonderful device as is.
Happy New Year
We agree! If you agree that this work needs to be done, and you are only insisting that it should have been done "earlier", then we're totally on the same exact page of the book. Personally, I don't believe in the mythical man month however... but it sounds like you do. You would do yourself a tremendous favor if you try not to focus on all the features you wanted yesterday... faulting Apple because they dared to release a product without them.
Just submit them to Apple like I regularly do, and wait. Tell other people to do the same. E-mail Steve Jobs once a month about it and be concise. Pick the most important 3 features and shoot.
I'm not sure if you read the reports of Apple pulling people off other BIG projects to get the iPhone out on time for June 29th (even though it looked pretty good in January)... but I certainly did. The last few updates have corrected a number of problems with the phone that weren't finished for launch day. We're now just over 6 months in, so its not really been that long (but it sure feels like it doesn't it?)
I'll be honest with you. Not ONLY does "rearranging icons" bring us a step closer to 3rd party apps, but think about it. Safari is one of iPhone's biggest features. While you complain about deleting multiple emails and MMS, most iPhone users don't care about those things. Really, they don't. I have auto-deletion settings on my phone that work well for me... and I don't get all that much spam. But if you asked me what I do on a regular basis... I'd tell you I had to type in the address of a website I went to ALL THE TIME, because mobile Safari doesn't have a "homepage" feature. The only reason rearranging icons makes sense, is because of the added ability to put shortcuts on the iPhone homepage (and more wonderfully, the DOCK).
--I have to tell you. If you've been to an iPhone Tech Talk, you know that Apple has a LARGE list of features they're queuing into the system, and they have people assigned to determine which features are being requested or complained about the most. They're not licking their finger and sticking it into the wind like you apparently assume they are. They KNOW.
They've just finished instituting a web directory of wonderful Web Apps that, while not native applications, help people on a regular basis to get the most out of their phone. Personally, I go to my Google Personal page on a daily basis. Being able to tap my homepage and jump right to it, affects my productivity FAR more than a "to do list" application (that I often just use the Notes app to jot lists into as a replacement). I'd also dig having the Fandango iPhone app on my homepage (literally two taps, and I'll have movie showtimes in my area... SUPER easy).
I look at your list, and the ONLY thing I see of real "prioritization" worthy significance, is clipboard support. Everything else is very subjective. I generally don't make a habit of needing to copy/paste things on my phone yet, so its only a mild annoyance. Accessing web pages FASTER... ones that I use frequently? That's something I'll need each and every day. I can already tell you that when 1.1.3 is released, my homepage will change dramatically. Bank of America, Google, Google Apps page, Fandango... Digg... I'm not even sure the Safari icon will even remain on the first page (and definitely NOT on my DOCK).
"Better" is subjective, isn't it?
I'm in the camp that wishes there were an alternate reality, where people that think they could run Apple, iPhone development, or what-have-you better than Jobs does, could be arbitrarily placed in charge, and we could periodically check the alternate timeline and compare it with the one that we're in, but unfortunately none of us have that luxury. When I look at what they've added, and what I hope they'll add, I always temper my judgement with the fact good work takes time. When YOU look at what they've added, you see all the things their hard work inspires you to think of... and you automatically wonder why it isn't done yet. It's natural. You think about your own day-to-day priorities and you tend to gloss over all the current effort.Luckily by February, we won't have to wait for Apple anymore. There'll be a roiling community of developers tossing their creations into the pot, like other phones... except we'll be seeing all sorts of NEW possibilities.
Me too.
You too, man.
~ CB
considering those phones already have numerous standard features already built in that the iPhone doesn't, they don't really need software upgrades.
firmware shown in Apple patent application
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it seems like the firmware is using the rearrangement mode from this patent application
-- always interesting when a patent becomes an (almost) reality
hello-
it seems like the firmware is using the rearrangement mode from this patent application
-- always interesting when a patent becomes an (almost) reality
Cop-out. The real reason why you're venting your frustration with updates that don't have exactly what you want is simple: You don't think of the iPhone as a phone at all, and thus expect the same kinds of radical upgrades your Mac/PC might get.
And you may be right. You only need to look at any jailbroken iPhone to see what a powerful, versatile digital tablet it really is, far beyond Apple's original design, and certainly far beyond your average phone or PDA.
I firmly believe however that the key upgrade we should really be screaming for is the SDK. Everything else will follow, from Apple themselves of from the third party community. Once you open the platform up, anything can happen.
