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Leondunkleyc said:
Currently? That article's 3 years old! Did you see the size of those mobiles? Also parts where they mention that IMing could be the next big thing give away its age a bit.

OK if that's not good enough for you then this should be, scroll down to the User Base section, Neilsen still rates AIM the largest by a large chunk.
 
aegisdesign said:
UNO has massively improved Tiger by banishing the metal and aqua stripes.

Also, the sidebar is a retrograde step too. The drawer in Preview can be resized without changing the size of the content in the main window. You can't do that with a sidebar. It's also white, unlike Mail's light blue. Wrong, wrong, bad, ugly, inconsistent and stupid.

They seem to be throwing out good UI design and entire elements of OSX just for the sake of something new to show.

Amen! And Apple deserves to have their very own HIG Book thrown at them. It's like the different application teams are working in relative isolation. I can see the Preview folks saying "Hey, the Mail team had some extra hours for their UI guys and came up with this new look! Cool, let's use it next time around so we can be cool, too. Oh, and we'll change that blue area to white for our own flair." The drawer UI element was one of those things touted as a novel and useful feature of OS X, way back in the DP and 10.0 days, but it's been a steady march away from common UI elements since then.

Back to the toolbar for a moment, has anyone seen or made a mockup of what a window would look like with the "unified" appearance combined with more traditional toolbar icons (not outlined by buttons / ovals)?
 
steve_hill4 said:
That sounds similar to that Apple advert from years ago whcih showed a concept of the future where you would have a true conversation way of working with a computer. We are slowly, but surely moving there.

"Computer! Computer? Hello computer"

"Just use the keyboard"

"Keyboard? How quaint"
 
MooVitZ said:
Is anyone else bothered by the button to buy more batteries?

No. Some people *want* a spare battery, if you don't want it don't buy it. It's not like it's a popup ad or something.

aegisdesign said:
The American market is not like the rest of the world and it really isn't 'all anyone uses'.

Which is why he began the statement AROUND HERE. Since when does "around here" mean "everyone in the world"?
 
Already there....

Chundles said:
Spring-loaded folders in the dock. So you can drag a file onto a folder in the dock and have it spring open - like in the Finder.

Actually you can already do this - I have my documents, applications and photos folders on the dock and they spring open etc...Excellent feature by the way. I think all they are really doing is giving you the ability to control how long you have to wait before they spring.....
 
aegisdesign said:
Adding the Mail style buttons in Preview is just plain wrong, ugly, stupid, bad. If they do that OS wide, I'm skipping the upgrade until someone comes out with a tool like CageFighter to change the icons back like we got for Mail in Panther. If they persist with Aqua, Metal, Unified, Dark Unified and lord knows what else, I'm waiting for a port of UNO to Leopard. UNO has massively improved Tiger by banishing the metal and aqua stripes.
If that's your opinion, so be it, but the HIG was meant to avoid confusing icons, not create a puzzling array of button shapes. A consistent button (not icon) shape is not an interface crime, and to say it is borders on ludicrous.

Having all the buttons on a consistent bar is a superior integration of control surfaces and is in fact a useful visual indication of function grouping along what could otherwise be a long strip of control surfaces. It's just a modernized reimagination of the very dated-looking vertical separator.

Also, the sidebar is a retrograde step too. The drawer in Preview can be resized without changing the size of the content in the main window. You can't do that with a sidebar. It's also white, unlike Mail's light blue. Wrong, wrong, bad, ugly, inconsistent and stupid.
Sidebars can be changed without affecting the main window if they're implemented properly, but other than that you're basically right, if a bit imperious.
 
Uhm, is it me, or do i see more and more inconsistencies in the ui?

the buttons on the spotlight window or nothing like the buttons on the preview window for example..and i wonder why.

not that tiger is that consistent...
 
FF_productions said:
So far, Leopard is something I'm not willing to pay for.

I expected just a little bit of a UI change, it just looks like a little updated version of Tiger.

I really wonder what these top secret features are because the current features aren't impressing me enough to open my wallet.


Don't speak too soon. Just because you don't know what the new features are doesn't mean you won't like them!
 
aegisdesign said:
Also, the sidebar is a retrograde step too. The drawer in Preview can be resized without changing the size of the content in the main window. You can't do that with a sidebar. It's also white, unlike Mail's light blue. Wrong, wrong, bad, ugly, inconsistent and stupid.

Has it occurred to you that the white background was intentional because the sidebar is being used to display images and thumbnails of text? A coloured background wouldn't really suit that use (IMHO).

I never liked drawers so I'm glad to see the back of them. :D
 
cloud 9 said:
Uhm, is it me, or do i see more and more inconsistencies in the ui?

the buttons on the spotlight window or nothing like the buttons on the preview window for example..and i wonder why.

not that tiger is that consistent...

Don't forget this is a preview. I don't think we're seeing the full picture yet.
 
Fotek2001 said:
Don't forget this is a preview. I don't think we're seeing the full picture yet.

it's true i know :)

the complicater a os becomes the harder it is to create a descent consistent ui, so i'm really curious :)
 
I have had Leopard running tonight
it feels so much nicer and faster on my G4 1.4 Mac Mini (w 1GB of RAM)
anyone got any questions??
 
the way finder has been left with no changes kind or less indicates that there is a bit of a UI refresh in the bag for Leopard.
 
appleguy said:
I have had Leopard... anyone got any questions??

Yeah, I got a few about iCal.

1) Is there now a way to shift several events in time simultaneously, so you don't have to change each one individually when you want to move a group of events?

2) When you select several events from different calendars and copy and paste them do they all turn into the same calendar category like the current version of iCal operates?

3) Are there any more display options that let you control how events are displayed?
 
BenK01 said:
What's the next logical step in a computer interface? I used to say "Computer, show me the money" to open Quicken back in pre-OS X days. More of a gimmick than anything else, but imagine if the Finder and maybe even other apps became "speakable."

Me: "Check mail"

Computer: "You have nine new messages. Would you like me to read them?"

Me: "No, thanks."

(clicks on an email, reads message)

Me: "Reply to this message"

Computer: "Type or speak?

Me: "Type"

type-type-type

Me: "Computer, I'd like to add a photo of the kids to this email."

Computer: "iphoto has 6,813 pictures of the kids, which one would you like?"

Me: "One from the birthday party last week."

Computer: (a strip from iphoto appears) "Here are 23 from last week. I've highlighted the one where your wife fixed the red eye. Is that the one you want?"

Me: "Yes, that will be fine."

Computer adds the picture to stationery in the email, other pictures go away.

Me: "Send the email"

Me: "...and order me a pizza."

This kind of thing can't be too far off. A 75 mhz Performa could do it in a rudimentary way. Imagine what a modern Mac may be able to do. "Speakeasy" has a nice ring to it.


You watch too much Star Trek. It's still a computer, not a digital house servant. Although..... that would be pretty cool. "Computer, go make me a sandwich."
 
slidingjon said:
You watch too much Star Trek. It's still a computer, not a digital house servant. Although..... that would be pretty cool. "Computer, go make me a sandwich."
I also find that in the near future.

Definitely coming soon.
 
BenK01 said:
This kind of thing can't be too far off. A 75 mhz Performa could do it in a rudimentary way. Imagine what a modern Mac may be able to do. "Speakeasy" has a nice ring to it.

Have you ever used "Speakable Items" in OS X? When it works, which, in my experience, on Intel Macs is a big if, it is remarkably flexible and wonderful. It's a refined version of Mac OS 8 thru 9's, but has been neglected, I think. It's not to the point where you are talking about, but if Apple dedicated an entire team to it, I believe we could see it in a couple of point releases.

You can already attach it to almost any system and application command, applescripts, hotkeys (cmd-A), menus, etc but its biggest problem is voice recognition (and stability). If they could work these kinks out, then I'd expect it to be a very refined and usable piece of software.

Speaking of which, does anyone with the preview and an Intel Mac know how well Speakable Items performs? I have hopes because of Steve's presentation on improvements to "Universal Access."
 
motulist said:
1) Is there now a way to shift several events in time simultaneously, so you don't have to change each one individually when you want to move a group of events?
Nah you can select more than one event but you can only move one at a time.

motulist said:
2) When you select several events from different calendars and copy and paste them do they all turn into the same calendar category like the current version of iCal operates?
Okies I tried to select 2 events (2 different days on 2 different Calendars)
I then created a new calendar and pasted the 2 into there. Both changed to that colour Calendar. was that what you were after?

motulist said:
3) Are there any more display options that let you control how events are displayed?
Not from what I can see.
the version number of ical is 3.0
 
appleguy said:
... was that what you were after?

No, that's the opposite of what I was after, that's the bug it has now. Sigh, this is exactly what I predicted, they added a bunch of new features but haven't fixed any of the major usability bugs and flaws it already has. Why does apple show iCal such contempt?
 
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