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Contradictory claims about Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard continue to trickle in.

The most authoritative word, however, comes from an Apple rep who "confirmed the reports are wrong and Leopard is still scheduled to ship in this spring as they previously announced."

Perhaps predictably, Analyst Shaw Wu claims that "Mac OS X Leopard will ship on time in the 'Spring' timeframe, or Apple's June quarter". This, of course, appears mostly speculative based on public information.

T3.co.uk goes to far as claim that 8-core Mac Pros and the final unveiling of Leopard will be coming at April's NAB event.
 

Telp

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Uhm...so whats different about this post then the last one saying Leopard wasn't coming out in october?
 
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_Refurbished_

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Is it me or do those "lights" surround the "Lights, Camera, Action" text look like OSX's Bubbles ;). No orange, but still....looks awwwwful fishy....
 
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BigPrince

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lets wasteland these, forget they ever happened and blacklist leopard posts.

They are so moral lowering :(
 
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mattscott306

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With every passing tuesday I get more depressed and more depressed. :( I want leopard.
 
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djkirsten

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the obvious

so nobody is looking at the obvious, the invite for WWDC in june has the Time Machine look to it. That's where leapord is coming out i'll bet. There would be no reason to look at NAB as the platform for an OS launch. It'll happen at WWDC. Plus Apple wouldd rather get us excited for WWDC than NAB. Just my 2 cents.
 
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DrGonzo2121

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I'm sure we'll see some of leopard's advancements when nab rolls around, but i don't think it will be leopard's unveiling.

We'll for sure see core animation put to full use in final cut pro, along with (hopefully) logic 8 at musikmesse.

I'm putting my money on june. (along with revamped mbp's with santa rosa and imacs with some sort of toutch interface (not touch screen, but some sort of touch-screen keyboard interface)
 
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Mgkwho

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What does Leopard have to do with NAB?

I mean of course the pro software runs on Leopard, but aren't the new pro apps and MacPro (if not released before) enough?

Leopard is waaay to much for an event inside NAB while including everything else. Remember MacWorld? The iPhone took up most of it. When, not if, there is a SE to release Leopard, Leopard will take most of the stage. It took most of the stage at WWDC, and it will when it is previewed or perhaps released if released the day of it's own special event.

Of course that could unfortunately be WWDC07 too. But I doubt it.

Leopard = late april, early may

AI claims it's only 2 beta builds from RC1, and that's judged on developers impressions. If it was really Woz on twitter, the internal builds really are farther along and perhaps that means at least 1 build ahead? Or they could be completely different I guess.

Whatever, we're going to get one more build and then an event soon after. Then it will be tested and sent to manufacturing and will ship in early May.

-=|Mgkwho
 
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nagromme

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Neither extreme makes sense: Leopard near final candidate? I don't think so, with developers still in the dark about (possible) important features, and the lack of the usual accelerating test seeding. And delayed in October for the sake of Vista support? That never made sense either.

The truth is somewhere in between. Late April seems JUST barely possible. End of spring is also possible.

An event could come sooner to DEMO the product and give a release date though--and it better come soon if it's going to reveal features that developers need to know about. (Maybe they don't. Maybe it's all Finder stuff or companion apps.)

I really HOPE the res-independent UI makes it. I find it odd that devs are not in heavy testing of that, since the cat has been out of the bag for some time. I really want that feature (Windows has it, in some fashion) and I hope it hasn't been back-burnered.

But I've never heard of any developer doing anything to get ready for res-independence. Does anyone have links suggesting this IS happening?
 
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BigPrince

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WWDC would be interesting without leopard. I want to believe that the latest it can be released is WWDC.
 
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localoid

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Neither extreme makes sense: Leopard near final candidate? I don't think so, with developers still in the dark about (possible) important features, and the lack of the usual accelerating test seeding. And delayed in October for the sake of Vista support? That never made sense either. ...

Add 1st rumor, stir clockwise to a froth
Add 2nd rumor, stir counterclockwise to a froth

Rinse and Repeat

:p
 
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ortuno2k

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Another Leopard rumor to ignore.
Let's see if we get anything - even a real message from Apple, tomorrow Tuesday.
These unsustainable rumors should be banned.
 
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matticus008

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I really HOPE the res-independent UI makes it. I find it odd that devs are not in heavy testing of that, since the cat has been out of the bag for some time. I really want that feature (Windows has it, in some fashion) and I hope it hasn't been back-burnered.
Windows doesn't really have it any more than Tiger does (to Microsoft's credit, it's at least enabled for those who want to use it). That said, the fundamentals are finished for Leopard. The only parts that are missing are finalized artwork and glyphs, which also aren't being updated from build to build. There have been zero UI changes so far, which has never before happened in OS X versions. The Finder build is also essentially the same as Tiger's. There are still a few tricks up Apple's sleeve where Leopard is concerned.
But I've never heard of any developer doing anything to get ready for res-independence. Does anyone have links suggesting this IS happening?
The WWDC sessions told developers in the kindest possible way to get off their asses and ensure res-independence by 2008. I'm sure they're available on iTunes for those who weren't there. Of course, arguably the bigger need to get everyone on the resolution-independent bandwagon is to divorce developers from their UI hacks and shortcuts.
Just another Leopard discussion where I say

We will see Leopard in April.
Not a chance. The next time Apple mentions it, it will still be at least a month out, so you can start your clocks then.
 
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Mgkwho

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Yeah I really doubt Apple would talk about Leopard and then say it's shipping that day.

I want Apple to talk about it beforehand, because we know it's definitely shipping in Spring. If they talk about it, they probably need a month so developers can test the RC and then the time for manufacturing.

-=|Mgkwho
 
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nagromme

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Ah. I knew Apple was telling devs to prepare for res-independence (well over a year ago this was clearly stated on developer.apple.com) but I had not known about the 2008 date. That explains why developers haven't been talking about it much yet I guess--and it makes it seem that the feature won't be in Leopard after all :( Maybe 10.6, or some mid-Leopard free update? It seems like Apple would have to push devs for 2007, not 2008, if they were going to give users this feature now. (They COULD let users turn it on even if most apps didn't support it, but that wouldn't be a very good user experience.)

I do still hold out hope for a new Finder and/or more consistent UI scheme :) I'd be shocked if Leopard shipped with BOTH brushed-metal AND iTunes-metal themes in use. Then again, I've been shocked by some of Apple's UI inconsistencies before...
 
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Eric5h5

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Apple confirming or denying anything is meaningless. They also "confirmed" that :apple:TV was going to be out in February.

Leopard will be out when it's done. Probably not October, but probably not before June either.

--Eric
 
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macfan881

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is it me or is these leopard rumors are starting to get as bad as the iphone rumors before it was offically announced
 
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matticus008

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That explains why developers haven't been talking about it much yet I guess--and it makes it seem that the feature won't be in Leopard after all :( Maybe 10.6, or some mid-Leopard free update?
I took it more as an indicator of the end of the amnesty period--Leopard will have resolution independence, but at some point in 2008, Apple will stop hand-holding and simply assume that all developers fixed their apps.

The way I would envision resolution independence is as part of the Display preference pane, which in 10.5 would allow you to set scale factors, but also to exclude applications that the user could list (those instead would simply be displayed in their fixed sizes, allowing per-window zooming with Core Animation). Of course, it remains to be seen what actually ends up happening.
 
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nagromme

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There is already support for non-aware apps: they can either not scale at all, or they can scale simply (and blurrily) like Tiger Screen Zoom does. I expect both options will remain beyond 2008. So Apple COULD give us res-independence any time. But with lots of apps not ready, and needing to be excluded manually or at least failing to benefit, it wouldn't be a very NICE feature. I still want it, but I sure hope big-name apps like CS3 are ready for it.
 
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matticus008

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I would hope Adobe went ahead and took care of that now. Otherwise we'll be waiting a couple years for CS4 to clean up the pieces.

I would not expect "blurry zoom" to remain beyond 2008. For accessibility's sake, resolution-independence provides the best option for enlarged UIs. For magnification for detail work, all of that is built into Core Animation. Although that could still work on whole windows, it makes more sense from a workflow standpoint to use the built-in OS resolution scaling for the UI components and to use Core Animation for content zooming. This would combine the best performance and best visual experience.
 
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