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voyagerd said:
Has anybody found Xcode 2.4 yet? It's not up on ADC as far as I can see.
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There is a link to a disk image at "http://developer.apple.com/tools/download/", but when I click on it I am asked for my ADC member password, and on the next page there is no trace of Xcode 2.4. Only a link to XCode 2.3 download. Maybe they just got the name wrong, but I won't download 915 MB to find out.
 
Macrumors said:
* An unconfirmed forum post claims that the Mac Pro CPUs are swappable.
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Intel price for 2.66 GHz woodcrest is $690, 3.00 is $851, and you need two of them. Instead of upgrading, you might as well buy another Mac Pro.
 
kresh said:
What happens if I have a 400 MB video file and I make 20 changes, and save the file after every change.
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When you save a video project it does not rewrite all the video files you're using as a source of footage, it just writes a new project file which describes how those source video files should be edited together. So Time Machine would not resave all the source files over and over, just the very small video project file that changed.
 
Front Row?

Several members have voiced their disapproval over the Mac Pro's exclusion of Front Row and Photo Booth. However, Jobs did say that 10.5 would include "the complete package." He then went on to say that Boot Camp, Front Row, and Photo Booth would be included in the OS. So my question is this: How will one use Front Row on the new Mac Pro?

-Squire
 
MacinDoc said:
Time Machine is nothing like System Restore. Time Machine allows you to find multiple previous versions of a file. For example, if you accidentally save a revised file without changing the name with "Save As", you can still go back to the previous version of the file if you decide you don't like the revisions or if a file is lost or damaged...
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Time Machine reminds me a little bit about how MS-Word allows "Quick Saves" to documents: what it basically does is leave the original file alone, but then appends the incremental changes to the end of the file. It makes saving the file faster, at the expense of making the file slower to load (and larger).

From here, its not too much of a leap. Simply:
a) Take what MS had had for years and make it crash-proof
b) Extend it from one Application to be supported System wide.

Now if Apple can only beat MS out of the gate on the release date...

They could do ads like this:

(Cue I'm a Mac/I'm a PC music.)
Mac: Hello, I'm a Mac.
PC: And I'm a PC.
Mac: You know, I'm really excited, I have this new operating system called Leopard...
PC: Oh yes, I 'm going to have a new operating system too, called Vista...sometime soon...I think...well, at least there's an 80% chance I will...
Mac: That's great! ...
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Personally, I don't think that's going to be Apple's strategy: I think Steve's laying the groundwork for a big "Mindshare" grab by raising the bar right after Vista finally ships.

(Cue I'm a Mac/I'm a PC music.)

Mac: Hello, I'm a Mac.
PC: And I'm a PC.

Mac: Hey, congratuations - Vista has finally shipped!

PC: Well, thanks. As you see, I can now do this...
Mac: Yeah, I had that last year (Tiger)

PC: And I can now also do this...
Mac: That's really great (2004; Panther)

PC: And I can now also do this...
Mac: And its about time (2003; Jaguar)

PC: so I now just about have everything Apple said it would give you when it previewed your new OS five months ago.

Mac: yeah, well now that Vista's shipped, we no longer have to worry about being too distracting to Vista's developers.

PC: you, distracting?
Mac: Uh, yeah. I mean, you really, really, needed a more secure OS.

PC: Gosh, you can say that again. But...distracting?

Mac: Well, we didn't exactly announce everything we shipped. Ever heard of "One More Thing"? (insert mind-blowing new features here).

PC: That's not in Vista.

Mac: Oh, and this stuff has already shipped too...its included -free- in Leopard. Mac users just need to do a "Software Update" to get it activated.

PC: you know, come to think of it, I haven't opened that Vista upgrade yet, so I can still return it. And my hardware is getting pretty old. Hey Mac, think you might be able to help me pick out a new machine?

Mac: Have you been to 5th Avenue in New York recently...?


-hh
 
Anyone who is a AASP or has a Service Source account would have Service Source access to a restricted area, service.info.apple.com , the service manual is available-macpro.pdf.

It is 28MB.

Training-http://service.info.apple.com/service_training/macpro-aasp/index.html (anyone who is a AASP or has a Service Source account would have Service Source access, so they can use this link).
There's a RSS feed there now-giving a list and details of manuals that have been revised-a bit like what Sony ESI's manuals have-a revision history page.
Developer note-public:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/HardwareDrivers/Conceptual/Mac_Pro_0608/index.html
The computer comes with Mac OS X version 10.4.7 installed.
ADC site redesigned too.
The value of the computer model machine identifier string is MacPro1,1.

Notes from the service manual for those who have access to it:
On page 65, there is a procedure for removing the Xeons-as a photo on page 66 indicates, these are socketed dual 771 pin LGA sockets. That means it is possible to change the processor yourself, but Apple obviously won't support 3rd-party swaps.

As, I expected-multiple PCI-E slots, so you can a multi display set up-up to 8. NVIDIA and ATI
RAM-is on a riser card (p19)
Power Supply-is at the top (p 26), cables- custom, 4 cables, unlike with many other Core 2's which have a single ATX cable. Connector-is it still F-Type or back to 3 pin, kettle style?
SuperDrive-which model?, procedure-p 14
BT-separate, as is AirPort-the card looks the iMac's card (p 44/47)
Antenna-on the bottom-covered by a plastic cover (procedure-p 96)

Mac OS X Server-is now universal:
Using Mac OS X Server on Mac Pro
Mac OS X Server can run on Mac Pro as a supported configuration; in fact, it is available through the Apple Store as a Configure-to-Order option. Mac Pro is the first Intel-based Mac to support Apple's server software. Mac Pro uses the Universal (v. 10.4.7) version of Mac OS X Server.


Mac OS X Server v10.4.7 (Universal) supports installation onto any Macintosh server or desktop computer with an Intel or PowerPC G4 or G5 processor. Mac OS X Server v10.4.7 (Universal) is available through the Apple Store as a Configure-to-Order option for Mac Pro.

This release of Mac OS X Server v10.4 continues to support upgrades from Mac OS X Server v10.2 and Mac OS X Server v10.3. Upgrades from Mac OS X Server v10.4 (PowerPC) to Mac OS X Server v10.4 (Universal) are not supported.

Improvements in Mac OS X Server v10.4.7 (Universal) include:

Improved performance (AFP, SMB/CIFS, NFS, Java JVM).


VNC support is enabled by default when installing Mac OS X Server for remote installation and setup from non-Mac OS X systems.


64-bit MySQL.


Xcode 2.4 with support for developing 64-bit applications for Intel processors.
 
Has anyone give thought to...

When I first saw Core Animation and Spaces and how they worked and what they were capable of I immediately thought of what many people here have said before when Boot Camp first came out.

These two technologies, when combined, could make possible the idea of "Fast OS Switching". Could one of the "Top Secret" features be that Boot Camp was just there as a primer. It will still be there and operate in the same way but without the re-booting hassle. With Core Animation and Spaces, you could possibly have it running just as another user and "Fast Switch" between them. Being a part of Leopard now-(Boot Camp) it would stand to reason that these new technologies will be more easily accessable and used by Boot Camp.

Just a thought, let me know what you think.:D
 
Im surprised we havent seen anyone ranting about the fact that there were no obvious hints to UI changes in the preview. Even the desktop wallpaper was the same as tiger.
 
e-coli said:
Steve looks unhealthy. He's not as sharp as he used to be. His keynotes were flawless. He stuttered several times, forgot what he was saying in mid sentence, and handed a considerable amount of the keynote to other people. Steve was a control freak in past WWDC keynotes.

I think he may be in not-so-good health. But I've said that before.
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I had the same reaction... he almost looked gaunt. I just compared shots of Steve yesterday with his appearance at the January Macworld Expo, and there's a noticeable difference. Plus, the tag team approach to demoing Leopard's features made it seem as if he needed time to rest in between the parts of his presentation.
 
I enjoyed the new features. They seemed "meh" to me when I was reading the live transcript, but when I actually saw them they impressed me. Timewarp is so much more than "volume shadow copy" and Spaces is much more than "virtual desktops ala X11"

Anyway, this developer preview is suppose to have the 10 new features in it... does that mean it will have the new Frontrow and the new Photobooth? Because weren't they part of the "whole package" feature?
 
spaces..

does anybody know if Spaces is supposed to replace expose? or is it just another tool that works with Expose?

and i'm curious...there's only one eject button on a standard mac keyboard. now there's two drives :confused:

Oh, i know: ctrl+cmd+opt+shift+eject!
 
summit99 said:
10:24 am lots more announcements during the next week

best to just wait and see......
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Last time Steve promised More announcements to come we got that boom box thing:rolleyes:

I wouldnt hold your breath on anything profound or ground breaking.....
 

"* An unconfirmed forum post claims that the Mac Pro CPUs are swappable."

It's true. The Mac Pro service manual is now available to technicians, which includes instructions for replacing the CPUs.
 
My speculation is simple... Front row wasn't shown just because they're not ready to release the new cinema displays with built-in cameras yet. My guess is that the price-drop on the existing displays is to move them before the ones with integrated cameras are intro'd.

Jephrey
 
easlerjj said:

"* An unconfirmed forum post claims that the Mac Pro CPUs are swappable."

It's true. The Mac Pro service manual is now available to technicians, which includes instructions for replacing the CPUs.
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I confirmed it too-technicians who have the manual, can go to page 65/66 to see the 2 sockets.

No Xserve manual yet.
 
Core Trio said:
Im surprised we havent seen anyone ranting about the fact that there were no obvious hints to UI changes in the preview. Even the desktop wallpaper was the same as tiger.
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Yeh suspiciously 'samey' :D I think it will change when Leopard finally ships. Did you notice iChat UI had changed ;)

Also I think FrontRow will be bluetooth enabled (with new remote) when Leopard ships so MacPros can use it.

As well as some REALLY cool stuff that will take OSX even further in front of Vista.

Oh and a feature I requested by Apple Feedback is in Leopard. Woohoo!!! Its only the pixel dimensions when dragging out a screenshot but i asked for it. Maybe a few others did too? :D
 
iSight 2.0

jephrey said:
My speculation is simple... Front row wasn't shown just because they're not ready to release the new cinema displays with built-in cameras yet. My guess is that the price-drop on the existing displays is to move them before the ones with integrated cameras are intro'd.

Jephrey
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I believe Apple could address this in the (near) future in the following ways:

1. New Cinema Displays with IR (and iSight), or

2. Separate IR accessory (USB/IR and Apple Remote) that can be used with older Macs as well, or

3. iSight 2.0 with built in IR sensor.

In my opinion 1. is unlikely because unlike iMacs and notebooks, Mac Pros are frequently used with multiple monitors. It doesn't make sense to build this function in every monitor. So we may see larger and better Cinema Displays but I don't expect to see iSight/IR built-in.

2. is better but 3. is the best because it solves two problems with the same solution. The iSight is in need of better optics as well. I expect to see it later in the year especially as the accessory would also make a good Xmas stocking stuffer.
 
axman6 said:
I haven't heard anything about Xcode 2.4 anywhere apart from here. are you sure about it? i really don't think it has been released. been checking as much as i can everywhere, and i've seen nothing. might be getting it mixed up with Xcode 3.0 that's going to be in Leopard? maybe?

Cya
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They do have a download image on their site but it dosen't lead to anything. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Xcode2.png
 
stuartluff said:
Also I think FrontRow will be bluetooth enabled (with new remote) when Leopard ships so MacPros can use it.
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Provided they added the BT option.....
 
e-coli said:
Steve looks unhealthy. He's not as sharp as he used to be. His keynotes were flawless. He stuttered several times, forgot what he was saying in mid sentence, and handed a considerable amount of the keynote to other people. Steve was a control freak in past WWDC keynotes.

I think he may be in not-so-good health. But I've said that before.
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He was probably up all night worried about how Apple has to restate their earnings. And Stevo is a big part of the SEC's probe.
 
gnasher729 said:
There is a link to a disk image at "http://developer.apple.com/tools/download/", but when I click on it I am asked for my ADC member password, and on the next page there is no trace of Xcode 2.4. Only a link to XCode 2.3 download. Maybe they just got the name wrong, but I won't download 915 MB to find out.
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Since it is a large download Apple is doing a staggered roll out of the download (Apple folks stated this). It appears to be rolled to premier members, then select, and finally free members.
 
Graphics card

Anyone knows if the mac pro allows us to upgrade to PCI graphics cards bought from retail stores? Will there be any driver issues? Do graphics card vendors include Mac drivers on their installation disc? Never seen one that does though..
 
Not Impressed

I have to descent from the mass and say I was not impressed by the Keynote. What the hell is with Safari still having the brushed metal interface, as well as the finder, etc...

I thought they were finally going to get rid of that and get some consistency in their GUI. :mad:

Overall, I am much more interested in the developers. When is OS X going to be more than a different OS and get some key native applications? Apple continues to lead the show, as they should, but they should take a hint from Microsoft and promote their developers more. Like it or not, it's not Apple, but ultimately their developers that will grow the platform.

Steve really should have pressed the developers to commit on stage to release dates...if that was possible. Microsoft should have been present to provide some information in regards to the next version of Office and its time frame for release.
 
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