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He guys, I have an iPhone 3GS but ever since I upgraded to this new beta my data is not working. I have a 3G icon in my screen but every time I try to use any app, like safari, it doesnt work. Can anyone please tell me what can I do to get it fixed?
Thanks
 
Before OS 4, there was no 100% certain method of closing (say) Safari, unless you rebooted. No you can free memory at will (and it shows in the free memory apps like scan lite).

I think you can hold down the "Lock" button and when the screen appears for you to "slide to switch off", hold the Home button. You can close applications this way in pre OS 4.
 
I guess exactly the five people who actually have OS 4.0 running and have seen it working. I'm running OS 4.0, and multitasking is implemented really well. It works flawlessly and is easy to use. You're right, everybody's going about this app closing thing, not realizing that you'll most likely never use this function.

I understand it and have not seen it yet.

That being said, I think it will be much more clear when people get their hands on it.

People are way overthinking it.

For 99% of the time you won't have to do anything different than you do now.

Of those of you who have used it, I assume the fast task switching works if you just run the program normally does it not? So lets say I was in a status check program app I have, and then I leave it to go check mail. I can double tap and click it in the fast-switch location, or if I just click on it in its normal icon location, I am still going to go right back to where I was.

Can anyone confirm that? I always assumed that is the case, which means for 99% of people 99% of the time they are not going to be doing things much differently.

I think the combination of background APIs with fasttask switching is a pretty good combo to deal with what most people want from multi-tasking and it does so in a very resource conservative way. It is very impressive how they have designed it. From what some of you are saying the execution is just as good.

Back on point though, people are overthinking it. You could use your iPhone the same way you do it now. Only now when you leave Pandora it will keep playing music, and when you run a different program you just left it will go right back to where you left it. This is why they said if you see a task manager you did it wrong. The Fast-Switch Launcher is not a task manager. it is simply a way to quickly go back to the most recently saved programs, nothing more or nothing less.

They have this deletion functionality for people who are OCD. There are going to be very few cases in normal use where any of us will ever find ourselves needing to delete applications from the fast task switcher. The system manages itself.

I think people have this idea that they will regularly be going in and deleting stuff from there, and it is simply not going to be the case. You just run new stuff and the old stuff moves down and eventually rolls off. There may be some very specific circumstances or testing reasons to want to remove stuff from there, otherwise it is wholly unnecessary to be deleting apps from the fast task switcher.


I love how Apple said something like "You don't even have to worry about" when someone asked "How do you close applications?" at the end of the iPhone OS 4 keynote! And of course they realised that in fact you do have to close applications after all...

I think closing an app by dragging it out of the multi-tasking stripe would be a bit simpler, the same way you drag apps out of the dock if you want to remove their icon in OS X.

You really don't though. Sure they have added the functionality, but almost nobody will ever use it, and of those who might use it, it is unlikely to be on any regular basis.

There is no reason to do this because you are not "closing" an app by deleting it from there. You are just erasing its saved memory state. There are not many reasons why someone would want to do that, since the OS manages that on its own.
 
great! cant wait
but highly waiting for IM apps like Beejive to run on background too... why can't it be one of the 7 apps for multitasking? sigh
 
People who are looking forward to closing apps are stuck in the Desktop computing mindset.
 
+1,000

"Quick Reply" (along w/ LockInfo) is one of the main reasons I JB my 3gs iPhone. I'll certainly upgrade to 4.0 when it comes out, even if it costs me my JB, but I'll definitely miss this add-on.

I'm sure there will be a quick JB for 4.0 shortly after release, so you'll have the best of both worlds.
 
It seems like Apple is coming closer and closer to completing most wishlist for the OS with 4.0. I have been wondering when Apple's first "clean up" revision will be for the OS. I always worry that when Apple gets carried away with features the OS seems to bloat a little and takes a little more CPU to accomplish otherwise basic tasks.
 
Am I correct that you double tap the home button to bring up the fast switcher? If so, isn't that going to confuse all of those that already have the double tap of the home button set to one of the options under the current os. I know plenty of people who use it to quickly get to phone favorites or the camera.
 
People need to understand with these changes you will still NEVER be running more than one program at a time. So when people say closing programs in the background they are thinking about it wrong.

On 3.x you run one program at a time. The OS itself is capable of running the iPod in the background, more specifically some functionality of it.

With 4.x you will still only ever be running one program in the background. Expanded are the number of things the OS can handle via APIs while that one program is running.

The Fast Task Switcher is simply a list of the most recently saved-state Apps. When you are in mail and leave and run Beejive this is what happens:

Mail saves itself where it is and puts itself as the number one entry on the task list. Mail is no longer running in memory or in the background.

Beejive is loaded up and run. Again, only one program is running at a time.

Now you leave Beejive to go to Pandora. When you leave Beejive it does NOT keep running in the background. It is saved in its current state to storage, and stops running in execution memory.

Now you task list has Beejive listed as 1 and Mail as 2. Neither one of those programs is running.

You are now in Pandora and Pandora is the ONLY application running. The OS is also running, but Pandora is the only application running on the device.
You start a playlist up in Pandora and it starts playing. You double click back to the task switcher. Pandora is saved to storage and is removed from memory. The OS continues to play the pandora music via the audio API.

from the Fast Task Switcher you select Mail. Mail is now loaded. Mail is the only program running on the device. Pandora music is playing, but it is playing through the Audio API in the OS. Once again, there is only one actual application running. When you run mail it will load up and be exactly as you left it in the first step.

So at no point are you actually running multiple applications on the device, nor do you have multiple applications open. That is why there is never a need to close an application. The APIs handle the most common usage and those are all controlled by the OS themselves. Technically you could call that an application, but for the sake of making it less confusing, just consider it part of the OS much like you think of the built in background things the phone does now. When you are using the iPod while browsing the web, the iPhone does not have the entire iPod app loaded. It is just using it the same way, via an API to play music in the background.

So once again, you will never be running more than a single application at a time. You will never need to go remove an application from the Fast Task Switcher. That does not close it, as applications in the fast task switcher are NOT open and are NOT running in the background.

Someone who has used it can elaborate on if erasing a fast task switched item stops any related APIs from continuing or if you need to go back in the program related to them and stop them yourself.

The point being, once again, you are not running multiple applications at one time. You always only have one application running. This is a good thing though, as it protects resources like memory and battery life. The APIs allow for the most common background features to be used with minimal overhead, and fast task switching allows for the moving back and forth between applications without losing your place.

Given consideration for memory and battery life, it is about an elegant solution as you could come up with... I look forward to using it myself.
 
OMG, are we all ungrateful, spoiled, techno-b*st*rds or what? We talking about a f*ck*ng PHONE here. We went to the moon with billion dollar machines that look illiterate in comparison. And we spend our time pissing and moaning about having to, for example, push ONE button instead of SWIPING.

Please get some perspective. The things people take for granted is staggering.

"I can't stream live video wirelessly almost anywhere in the world for free on demand virtually seamlessly while I render animation in the BG while editing my slideshow presentation in Photoshop AND make a call at the same time? FAIL!!!"

Wow.

Dave
 
Ah...I get it now. You don't have to use the new dock for anything if you don't want to. You could continue to use the home screen to launch apps, restore apps, as you always have. Except that now, developers have the option of adding multi-task services that can run in the background.

Exactly.

The dock is to allow you to 'fast switch' between your last few opened apps. Thus if I was in a game and a text message popped up, if I hit reply, my game is suspended state, the Messages app opens, I reply and then instead of hitting close and finding my game app folder on a certain page, I use the 'fast switch' dock to find the recently used items and go back to my game. Or I could just hit home and open something else if I wanted.

Exactly!

The only time you would really want to close and app from the 'fast switch' dock is because there is a background service that you don't want to run anymore. Like Pandora for instance. It is backgrounding the music play, but I'm done listening. The only way to close that app is to open the dock and use the delete off the dock function. Right?

No. If you don't want Pandora to play music anymore, you switch to Pandora, hit the pause button and then close it. If you don't want your GPS tracker to track your location anymore, you switch to the GPS tracker app and tap a switch or button to turn tracking off and so on. There's really no reason to actually close apps from the task switcher, except when there's an app that has crashed or some other rare problem.

For something like Pandora, do you think developers will add something into the code that asks "Would you like to keep Pandora running in the background?" when you switch out of the app after first launching it?

Exactly, each app that does multitasking will need a button or switch which allows the user to turn this on or off. Most apps won't need to use the multitasking APIs at all. For example, the Notes app wouldn't need multitasking. It's completely useless. Only apps that actually want to do something in the background (audio, VoIP, GPS etc.) will use multitasking.
 
OMG, are we all ungrateful, spoiled, techno-b*st*rds or what? We talking about a f*ck*ng PHONE here. We went to the moon with billion dollar machines that look illiterate in comparison. And we spend our time pissing and moaning about having to, for example, push ONE button instead of SWIPING.

Please get some perspective. The things people take for granted is staggering.

"I can't stream live video wirelessly almost anywhere in the world for free on demand virtually seamlessly while I render animation in the BG while editing my slideshow presentation in Photoshop AND make a call at the same time? FAIL!!!"

Wow.

Dave

LOL, yeah I've been enjoying some of the complaints/threads.
 
No. If you don't want Pandora to play music anymore, you switch to Pandora, hit the pause button and then close it. If you don't want your GPS tracker to track your location anymore, you switch to the GPS tracker app and tap a switch or button to turn tracking off and so on. There's really no reason to actually close apps from the task switcher, except when there's an app that has crashed or some other rare problem.

I picture a lot of basic users wandering around with their iPhones constantly tracking their current location via unneeded (but unclosed) GPS applications. How is this going to be addressed? Yes, there's supposed to be a little icon showing a compass to indicate that the GPS API is active, but will your basic user notice and/or know what it means (especially in terms of battery life)?

What about Google Maps? When I have it set to sense my current location, will it continue to update that until I force quit the application? If there is a "switch" in the program turn that feature off, again, how many basic users will actually think/remember to do so? Or will it prompt me a single time to ask whether I want it running in the background when I'm not actively using it? And again, will basic users understand the implications of a prompt like that or will they just say "yes, whatever"? Questions, questions...
 
OMG, are we all ungrateful, spoiled, techno-b*st*rds or what? We talking about a f*ck*ng PHONE here. We went to the moon with billion dollar machines that look illiterate in comparison. And we spend our time pissing and moaning about having to, for example, push ONE button instead of SWIPING.

Please get some perspective. The things people take for granted is staggering.

"I can't stream live video wirelessly almost anywhere in the world for free on demand virtually seamlessly while I render animation in the BG while editing my slideshow presentation in Photoshop AND make a call at the same time? FAIL!!!"

Wow.

Dave

Good point. We really SHOULD be able to do that and we really SHOULD take it for granted (because our Jobs-god has our back).

:D

A technology indistinguishable from magic.

Does anybody but me notice with awe that these recent Apple devices are capable of so many compelling features, 50% of which are actively disabled, because the networks are not up to speed and capacity?

Rocketman
 
just open up the iPhone as a mass storage device and allow users to not have to jail break to get this feature. I don't want to fire up iTunes to have to copy a file and sync, however this is just my speculation based on the screen shot.
 
I picture a lot of basic users wandering around with their iPhones constantly tracking their current location via unneeded (but unclosed) GPS applications. How is this going to be addressed? Yes, there's supposed to be a little icon showing a compass to indicate that the GPS API is active, but will your basic user notice and/or know what it means (especially in terms of battery life)?

What about Google Maps? When I have it set to sense my current location, will it continue to update that until I force quit the application? If there is a "switch" in the program turn that feature off, again, how many basic users will actually think/remember to do so? Or will it prompt me a single time to ask whether I want it running in the background when I'm not actively using it? And again, will basic users understand the implications of a prompt like that or will they just say "yes, whatever"? Questions, questions...

Don't think of it like the jailbroken way of Backgrounding applications where Apps just run as if they are running full speed, the Apple way will figure that all out for you and do it in a smart way. Obviously Google Maps has no reason to track your position while the App is closed, so it's not going to do it. But a Turn-By-Turn navigation program will still need to track your position, so it will do it if the App is closed.
 
My GUESS is that you can only drag&drop files from the computer which you sync you iPhone with.. They won't let you use it so that you can go to a friend, drop some files on your phone, and drag the off at home.... Please correct me if I am wrong!

Otherwise, nice additions..

If you have Air Sharing or MobileStudio, you can do this. just enable wifi on that person's network and then usinf a browser, browse to your ipad/pod/phone using the ip address the app gives you. I do it all the time from 2-3 different computers (mcs, windows, linux). And there you have your USB stick. A little clunky, but serves the purpose.
 
New feature for me "Replace...", don't remember it from OS 3.0 or 4.0 beta 1 and 2.


Edit
Still can't set a wallpaper on the homescreen for a iPhone 3G, before there was a button "Set Both, Set Homescreen and Set Locksceern" (or smth like that) but now theres just "Set" and it sets the lockscreen.
 
sorry if this is old... just installed the new beta but you can scroll through your keyboards easier by just holding on the world icon instead of clicking through each one to get to the one you want
 
I agree as well. Am also a Mac guy/windows convert but with the i-devices you have to think out of the Apple box. How would this work under Windows? The reason iTunes is used is that apple has to only worry about one piece of software that is programmed for two platforms that has qual functionality. Then you start getting into having to address programming access in windows (Multiple versions) under explorer etc.

You could just do cool outside itunes stuff on a MAC hoping to then get Windows users to convert to take advantage of all the great things you can do under the MAC with the phone. Of course you will alienate Win users and may push them to anothr platform since they are not receiving similar benefits. Its cone thing to be a closed platform on an total Apple ecosystem, which these devices are not.

That's the problem with the iPhone/iPod/iPad.

Apple seems intent on making the way you access them the same on Windows as on the Mac which seems to be giving us the lowest common denominator - the bloated, clunky, cross platform Carbon crap that is iTunes.

By not trying to make Windows users second class citizens, all they've done is also make Mac users second class citizens.

On the Mac they should be using AFP, Bonjour and SyncServices and NOT iTunes.... or as someone said earlier, just buy/clone DropBox or Ovi Files.

The iTunes file sharing kludge is ridiculous.
 
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