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More New iPhone OS 4 Features: File Sharing, App Closing

Count me in for the Puff of Smoke (Man, gotta love that sound :cool: )...

...Although it would be contradictory UI-wise (meaning something different than the Mac OS X doc)
 
I love how Apple said something like "You don't even have to worry about" when someone asked "How do you close applications?" at the end of the iPhone OS 4 keynote! And of course they realised that in fact you do have to close applications after all...

I think closing an app by dragging it out of the multi-tasking stripe would be a bit simpler, the same way you drag apps out of the dock if you want to remove their icon in OS X.
 
andrew0122 said:
I just noticed an animation when you have one app open and you go to the multitask and open a new app the old app draws back and disappears to the left and the newly opened app appears from the right.

I think it looks pretty awesome. . . It could just be me, I just updated from Beta 1 to Beta 3.
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Kind of Safari Pages? Cool... I only played with beta 1 so far. Holding back 'cause I need my only iPhone with the current OS for work.
 
baryon said:
I love how Apple said something like "You don't even have to worry about" when someone asked "How do you close applications?" at the end of the iPhone OS 4 keynote! And of course they realised that in fact you do have to close applications after all...

I think closing an app by dragging it out of the multi-tasking stripe would be a bit simpler, the same way you drag apps out of the dock if you want to remove their icon in OS X.
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Before OS 4, there was no 100% certain method of closing (say) Safari, unless you rebooted. No you can free memory at will (and it shows in the free memory apps like scan lite).
 
CJM said:
My current £15 phone was cool for a while but after the initial bohemian novelty wore off, it's becoming embarrassing to pull it out in public.
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Where in England has become so shallow? To think, I used to love London because no-one cared how you dressed (in the most general way).
 
Adokimus said:
Palm's got so many problems as a company, but their muli-tasking with the card view is the best out there. Apple should just have you drag the icon down and off the screen to end it. That, to me, would be the quickest and most intuitive way.
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i don't think palm's card view is better than apples. with apple's you see 4 icon's/programs at one time and can select the one you’re looking for immediately. With palm's you can only select one card from a list of 1. so if you want to select the last card you have to swipe until you find it. so if 8 programs are running you have to swipe up to 8 times to get the one you want. Apples you only swipe once.
 
aegisdesign said:
I'm not so sure about that.

How many people use Command-Tab to switch apps on their Mac or the Dock? I use those all the time.
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I meant the 'hold down to quit' part of it.

Yes, I think many people will use it as a 'Switching' program. But I think only some people will use it like a 'Task Manager' to asctually shut down programs. It won't really be necessary and I think most people won't use it for that.
 
baryon said:
I love how Apple said something like "You don't even have to worry about" when someone asked "How do you close applications?" at the end of the iPhone OS 4 keynote! And of course they realised that in fact you do have to close applications after all...
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No, they were right. You DON'T have to worry about it one little bit if you don't want to.
 
Integrate with OS X Finder

Looks like to me that Apple should soon drop the way the i-Devices (iPod, iPad, iPhone) interfaces with the Mac. Right now, everything with the i-Devices on a Mac must be done via iTunes. With file sharing etc., this should be integrated into the Mac desktop experience.

I think the Mac finder should be able to move files back and forth between Mac and i-Devices. It's becoming more and more clumsy as the concept of what i-Devices are used for have advanced. The more it advances and shares functionality with OS X, the more it seems that Mac OS X should handle i-Devices directly without iTunes (maybe except music and video syncing).
 
Player Controls

does anyone yet know how a secondary music player could be set as default?

For example, if I came to my OS 4-running iPhone and double-tapped home for the media controls, when I hit play I'd like Spotify to start playing... but I suspect it will default to the iPod as it does now...
 
poleary2000 said:
All I really want is the ability to answer a text message without it opening the Messages app. Notification arrives, hit reply, it allows me to type a message right there, hit send and then I am right back in my app. Without switching or anything.

I know this can be done on jailbreak, but I really wish Apple would just add that little piece to notifications. If I had that, I might not even care about multi-tasking because Pandora would be open and just keep on playing (or game paused, or whatever) while I answered a text.
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+1,000

"Quick Reply" (along w/ LockInfo) is one of the main reasons I JB my 3gs iPhone. I'll certainly upgrade to 4.0 when it comes out, even if it costs me my JB, but I'll definitely miss this add-on.
 
Glenn.955 said:
Regarding to quiting apps - I think a better way would be just to drag them off the dock into a puff of smoke - like you do on the mac.
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I definitely agree. I was thinking the exact same method the other day.

Any news about a better notification system or a better Calendar app? I want my phone to keep buzzing until I see a notification, whether it is a new voicemail, text message or calendar alert. I don't mind paying a few bucks if a third party app provides such options after OS4, but it would be nice if Apple put the finishing touches.
 
Even though this isn't the final beta, are we even close to the 100 new features? Is there are running list somewhere because it seems there still should be a lot more to come.

I want to see the remote features that control it through Exchange, better mail, calendar and contact integration, photo library access and all the other features raised.
 
thibaulthalpern said:
Looks like to me that Apple should soon drop the way the i-Devices (iPod, iPad, iPhone) interfaces with the Mac. Right now, everything with the i-Devices on a Mac must be done via iTunes. With file sharing etc., this should be integrated into the Mac desktop experience.

I think the Mac finder should be able to move files back and forth between Mac and i-Devices. It's becoming more and more clumsy as the concept of what i-Devices are used for have advanced. The more it advances and shares functionality with OS X, the more it seems that Mac OS X should handle i-Devices directly without iTunes (maybe except music and video syncing).
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I agree... much of the sync process in iTunes which IS about file management is counterintuitive when normally it would be handled (faster) through Finder.
 
Small White Car said:
That's a nice idea, but I'm having a hard time thinking of many examples.

Some kind of "Sims-like" game where your character sleeps and you want time to pass in the game while you're not there? That's about all I can come up with.
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Syncing in the background is one.
 
Small White Car said:
No, they were right. You DON'T have to worry about it one little bit if you don't want to.
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Sometimes it's pointless to try and convince people when they are so strongly opinionated!

Sidenote, I'm also in the D.C. area...good to see another Macrumors guy close by, especially another Delorean fan!
 
So is this a task manager or an app switcher, because when people say it's a task manager the response is "no, your just removing the app from the switcher", but when people ask "can we swipe it off" people say "no, this isn't in line with how apple close apps on the desktop". But it would be online if we are removing shortcuts. And if we're closing apps that is essentially a task manager.
 
Small White Car said:
No, they were right. You DON'T have to worry about it one little bit if you don't want to.
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But won't people end up with all their apps running at the same time eventually? Of course there will only be a couple of services per app that actually "run", but still, that takes up battery life.

What if you launch a GPS navigation app, that drains a hell of a lot of battery life, and you only want to use it for like 15 minutes and shut it down afterwards, I'm sure Apple doesn't want people to just "forget about it" and leave it running forever, overnight, and for weeks to come. You'll have to shut it down eventually.

Then what if you're running Skype in the background, and you're tired of receiving chats and calls and you just want to turn Skype off, you do have to quit it then don't you?

So I'm not sure what Apple meant by "you don't have to worry about it", but you do have to THINK about it and not forget about it, or else your phone's battery can die within minutes.
 
Isn't the new iPhone taskbar not an app task manager but an app switcher? It's more like a recents than a currently opened application.
 
jayenh said:
So is this a task manager or an app switcher, because when people say it's a task manager the response is "no, your just removing the app from the switcher", but when people ask "can we swipe it off" people say "no, this isn't in line with how apple close apps on the desktop". But it would be online if we are removing shortcuts. And if we're closing apps that is essentially a task manager.
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LoganT said:
Isn't the new iPhone taskbar not an app task manager but an app switcher? It's more like a recents than a currently opened application.
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The dock is no more a task manager than the OS X dock or windows task bar. They all show running applications and all have the ability to close applications.

The dock is a 'fast app switcher' not a multi tasking dock. ALL applications show there weather or not they multi task.
 
baryon said:
And of course they realised that in fact you do have to close applications after all...
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No, you absolutely don't have to, but you can. I have like 40 apps running on my iPhone, the multitasking dock is full of them, and the iPhone is still working super-smooth. You absolutely don't have to care about closing apps, but you can when you want. From how I'm understanding the implementation of iPhone's multitasking and from my own experiences with it I don't see a reason why you would ever want to close an app.
 
Number 41 said:
+1,000

"Quick Reply" (along w/ LockInfo) is one of the main reasons I JB my 3gs iPhone. I'll certainly upgrade to 4.0 when it comes out, even if it costs me my JB, but I'll definitely miss this add-on.
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I was jailbroken on my 3G for a few days, but it was so buggy for me. Constant crashes, freeze ups, etc.

Please please please Apple, let me reply to a text from within the notification (especially if you are going to stick with these notification pop ups and not move to something else). In fact, it would be great to have some other actions you could take that developers could use per app. For example, I use IM+; if I get a push notification and I swipe to unlock, it opens the app. I didn't want to open the app, I'd rather just hit a Dismiss button. Or something like that.
 
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