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WOW, there has been a lot of last minute iPhone issues. The Leopard delay makes much more sense now.

Guess thats why a few weeks ago, Apple claimed that Leopard was still on time for a spring release. Then, they start having all these last minute iPhone OS issues, they pull almost everyone off Leopard to make sure iPhone is released on time, Leopard gets delayed. Makes sense now, so I dont think they lied to us originally about Leopard being on time for spring.
 
roland.g said:
My birthday is in July. However, neither my wife or any of my family get on MR. So I think the hint will go unnoticed. Not to mention my wife is not going to get me a $600 phone.
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I think you're forgetting about the power of suggestion: "accidentally" set her browser homepage to the iPhone section of apple.com, then when you're out with your married friends, make sure she overhears how great of a deal these phones are. "The functionality alone is worth $600, not to mention how cool they are!" Then, let your current cell phone take an "accidental" tumble down the stairs, or better yet, a nice ride in your washer/dryer. Edit: It's even better if you put your phone in a pants pocket that she likely won't check... then you have the guilt working with you!

If that doesn't work, just use your birthday money you get from your parents to buy one. Yeah, hopefully your parents still give you birthday money in your card.
 
I confess I'm completely lukewarm on the whole iPhone - I can't afford one, and wouldn't want one if I could. Plus, this project seems to have completely taken over at Apple:

* No new iPod revisions - why? The iPhone.
* No Leopard till October - why? The iPhone.
* And now, possibly no iPhone in June - why? The iPhone.

This, plus the fact that I've had really horrendous support interactions with Apple lately has me wishing for the "good old days" of 2% market share. I was actually really looking forward to buying the Leopard upgrade for my iMac G5 after the first 10.5.x shipping revision (to give time to work out the 10.5 release bugs), which probably now won't happen until the end of the year or beginning of next.

Blah.
 
Konradx said:
i bought the first Video ipod the second it was announced and on available on the apple store. Should i take the same risk again with the iPhone? I dont think Apple would pull an EA or Ubisoft and ship a broken product, with patches out before its even released (I Hope).
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I have had a mentality over the years of "never buy the first release" of any product, whether it be apple or GE or anyone else.(having owned a powerbook 5300, powerbook 'lombard' and G4 1.67gHz powerbook, numerous iPods and desktops dating back to the II GS). I, being an apple "fanboy", hope apple has their ducks in a row on this one. which I believe is why we've seen so many dates pushed back. They can't, at this point, release a product that is not up to top notch standards. They're stuck. which is most of my reasoning why, when my sony ericsson decided to stop turning on last month, to hold out for the iPhone. Thank goodness I'm with cingular and have a phone upgrade discount available.

Granted there will be many updates in the first few months. I think apple really knows what they're sitting on and will not ship a product, in such a market, that can't compete. In such a price bracket they have to be able to hold up in functionality... word docs, pdf's, pushmail, calendar, etc...

I think the OS 10.5 setback is totally unrelated to the iphone. I think as they are expanding so quickly they are seeing the criticism of they're decline in quality and need to rethink how they are releasing products. They need to live up to they're reputation and an average 2 hour wait on hold for tech support is not helping them.

They've had a wild ride with the ipod, but hopefully now seeing, there are a lot bigger fish to fry in the apple world.

Any setbacks in delivery I would hope would make up for in functionality.
We'll see. Apple has created a chance at making a device that can really be revolutionary. Let's just see if the programmers and politicians can deliver.



My optimistic view on things.
 
peestandingup said:
Guess thats why a few weeks ago, Apple claimed that Leopard was still on time for a spring release. Then, they start having all these last minute iPhone OS issues, they pull almost everyone off Leopard to make sure iPhone is released on time, Leopard gets delayed.
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I would have thought these issues were apparent for quite a while.

My guess is someone promised someone that the QA issues would be easily ironed out. And they weren't. And now the current predicament. I'm also guessing someone lost a job.
 
Part of me wants the iPhone to be a bust so Apple gets its ego out of the sky and back down to earth.
 
Penalties?

twoodcc said:
well i guess i probably won't get it in June......hopefully July though
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I thought I read something previously that according to the agreement with cingular/at&t if apple doesn't ship on time there are some penalties apple would incur. Anyone familiar with that?
 
yellow said:
I don't care for that part of you. Put it back in your pants please.
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The doctor said it would be fine in a week.:p

My point is that Apple is so convinced about the iPhone that I hope it doesn't get its hopes up if this thing doesn't pull in the big numbers.
 
It seems everywhere I go I see people saying that Apple had pulled engineers off Leopard to fix last minute issues with the iPhone. Apple never said that. They never said WHEN they transferred resources to the iPhone. It could have been on day #1 for all we know. And as time went by they realized that they weren't going to make the June deadline. So, when they announced it, it doesn't mean that they suddenly got in a bind. It means we suddenly were let in on the problem. It was probably coming for months.

If I were Apple and saw that I wasn't going to meet my deadline, I'd probably add a month or 2 MORE to what I expected to be its release date, to give my engineers even more time to polish things off. If you're gonna be late by 2 months, why not by 4 and give yourself more time for the refinements and testing.

No need to panic about this or the imagined iPhone "issues".
 
First Leopard and now probably the iPhone aswell. It's a pity Apple is delaying such products. When we hear of a new Apple product at any one of the conferences we like to hear the "and we're shipping today" which hasn't been said recently. The whole surprise effect and secrecy is ruined. But more importantly I think Apple is loosing much of its credibility.

Apple is my religion and its products my God: loosing faith in God...
 
^^^ They haven't delayed the iPhone...in fact they work extra hard to get it here on time. Take every rumor as fact, your done for!




Sure hope I can get one on launch day!
 
No biggie! Remember the first iPod? Heavy, little battery life, really expensive... It probably needed updates and patches too but they weren't as popular back then.

You gotta start somewhere and this is it! Still getting one in September when my Verizon contract is up.
 
TimmyD said:
Grammatical error:

"...iPhones will make there way into shipping..."
should be
"...iPhones will make their way into shipping..."
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Yes! I noticed this too on the article.
And I've seen these types of mistakes made on books...BOOKS!
Hopefully the admin will correct it.
 
noriyori said:
I think the OS 10.5 setback is totally unrelated to the iphone. I think as they are expanding so quickly they are seeing the criticism of they're decline in quality and need to rethink how they are releasing products. They need to live up to they're reputation and an average 2 hour wait on hold for tech support is not helping them.
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My average hold time has been less then 10 minutes.

macwatcher said:
No biggie! Remember the first iPod? Heavy, little battery life, really expensive... It probably needed updates and patches too but they weren't as popular back then.

You gotta start somewhere and this is it! Still getting one in September when my Verizon contract is up.
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I think the original iPod is on firmware version 1.3, which is pretty much perfect.. they had all the time in the world to work on it because it was never pre-announced, but even the original firmware works amazingly well.
 
I don't agree that Apple needs to ship a month before.

They will probably charter every plane they can get their hands on to fly from Taipei to the states. It may be expensive, but the negative pr/loss of good will from having only a tiny amount of units at launch would potentially cost more.
 
papadopolis1024 said:
I cant see apple f***ing up there first cell phone..... apple would want it perfect!
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Steve Jobs wants it perfect, which means it HAS to be perfect. I've never seen Steve so personally excited about a product before. This is HIS project, built out of his desire for the perfect next gen phone. I'm sure he has his bags packed ready to jump on a plane and make sure each and every iPhone has his seal of approval.

Have faith my friends.
 
acrafton said:
I don't think the issue is that they "shipped engineers" to Taipei but that is where they are doing the IPhone OS engineering. The engineers there are most likely working at 50% of what an American would want, don't demand options, and will do pretty much what Apple tells them to do.
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Yeah... Apple doesn't do design outside of Cupertino. Ever notice the products tend to almost always say "Designed by Apple in CUPERTINO, or CALIFORNIA." In cases where its done in other places, its merey because companies were acquired in those locations and as part of the acquisition, they didn't make the employee's move to Cupertino. If anything cutting edge is going on, rest assured its happening in Cupertino.

I *highly* doubt the OS Engineers (and thus iPhone engineers) are sweat shop programmers in Taipei, give me a break.

This approach can work well for maintenance or legacy work but rarely works well for new, cutting edge development due to the language differences, time differences, etc. . .don't know, but this may be adding to the delay and then Apple woke up and said 'oh shi*' and pulled a bunch of QA and other developers off of Leopard to get this thing back on track.
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Exactly, this is cutting edge stuff, pushing the envelope, its grad students applying theory to make fact, its incredibly knowledgeable old school OS coders making magic happen. It's incredibly insulting for you to think that Apple hires monkeys to type out code, especially for a product like the iPhone. Give. Me. A. Break. You were kidding right?
 
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