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Does this ghange anything?
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/pf/...0050420091100&w=PR&coview=&TickerSymbols=BRCM
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/pf/...0050420091100&w=PR&coview=&TickerSymbols=BRCM
Whatever the time frame- and the GX and dual cores are not ground-up new- the fact remains that Intel and AMD are bringing their dual cores to market now. Intel has gone to 1 MB cache routine. IBM is supposed to have the same capabilities.myapplseedshurt said:
dicklacara said:
Only if one of two things happen.
1. Apple has broadcom make a version with a memory controller.
2. IBM puts an on-die memory controller on the 970GX and MP.
In theory, the 970 could use the same chipsets as the A64 line provided if it were to gain the on-die controller.
I just noticed the time on the Apple Developer Presentation at NAB is 06:00 PM - 08:30 PM US Pacific. Guess we won't know anything until tonight... I found this interesting: Please note: Confidentiality requires attendees to be a member of the Apple Developer Connection.
In what context are they using the word confidentiality
In what context are they using the word confidentiality
Have signed an NDA!Cooknn said:I just noticed the time on the Apple Developer Presentation at NAB is 06:00 PM - 08:30 PM US Pacific. Guess we won't know anything until tonight... I found this interesting: Please note: Confidentiality requires attendees to be a member of the Apple Developer Connection.
In what context are they using the word confidentiality
could just be hype on a technicality
Is it possible that the ADC NDA simply covers 10.4 until it is actually released, therefore an event in between announcement and shipment is technically covered by the NDA?
What a great way to get extra publicity and interest - just dangle the "confidential special invitation" on Apple's website.
Besides, there's no way that Apple would really tell this group anything special - they know that there would be leaks. There won't be any secrets divulged (unless maybe the new PowerMacs will be announced tomorrow and the devos find out tonight).
Cooknn said:I just noticed the time on the Apple Developer Presentation at NAB is 06:00 PM - 08:30 PM US Pacific. Guess we won't know anything until tonight... I found this interesting: Please note: Confidentiality requires attendees to be a member of the Apple Developer Connection.
In what context are they using the word confidentiality
Is it possible that the ADC NDA simply covers 10.4 until it is actually released, therefore an event in between announcement and shipment is technically covered by the NDA?
What a great way to get extra publicity and interest - just dangle the "confidential special invitation" on Apple's website.
Besides, there's no way that Apple would really tell this group anything special - they know that there would be leaks. There won't be any secrets divulged (unless maybe the new PowerMacs will be announced tomorrow and the devos find out tonight).
Shipping times in the Spanish AppleStore for all Dual PM has changed in the last two days to 1-2 weeks. If you choose the 6800 graphic card, the shipping time is 3-4 weeks, and as many people has already noted, the ATI 9800XT has been completely removed.
Cooknn said:I just noticed the time on the Apple Developer Presentation at NAB is 06:00 PM - 08:30 PM US Pacific. Guess we won't know anything until tonight... I found this interesting: Please note: Confidentiality requires attendees to be a member of the Apple Developer Connection.
In what context are they using the word confidentiality
We are just left with not knowing what this means. Won't know anything until Steve decides to tell us. Changing shipping dates many indicate something.
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Another day, another lack of update, actually we all know that if Apple will hold off the new PM release till WWDC in June then the PM will be a significant one, if the new PM release will be on another Tuesday morning then a lot of people will be disappointed with the specs I guess... Anyway I am still wondering about the appearance of the president of Sony in january and all that year of HD speech (maybe it was just another 3GHZ promise kind of thing) Anyway, Apple likes to disappoint its loyal customers but it also likes to surprise so actually I am kind of happy that there havent been any PM updates as of yet and IF it will hold till WWDC in June I know we will be positively surprised, otherwise I dont think Steve would introduce a dual core procesor without a wide audience watching (in that sense he kind of became too predictable, but Apple is a rather small company that develops its own OS and software along with own hardware so I dont think that they can follow the same business model as Intel or AMD where they announce processors couple of weeks in advance and till they actually appear in machines all of a sudden half a year has passed by, and Apple cant afford to do that, they are losing too many PM sales right now anyway and if people would be put on hold even further they would lose even more potential sales)
Back to the Year of HD speech, We all could guess what did he mean by it but by process of elimination we can kind of guess what it means, I dont think upgrading all monitor resolutions to 1920x1200 makes it a Year of HD, I dont think the release of Mac Mini makes it a Year of HD, even a release of a media center device wont make it a Year of HD because most of the signal is still standard analog tv anyway so why can u call it HD anyway... The recent release of the Pro apps at NAB takes a step forward towards the proclaimed Year of HD BUT still somethign is lacking, that something is serious hardware that up to todays standards can efficiently edit encode decode HD standards, as some people know, HD editing is probably one of the most computer intensive tasks, right now editing uncompressed HD home movie on a dual PM 2.5 (or Xeon 3.06) is to say the least, rather a frustrating and slow experience... Even if the dual cores will be released by IBM AMD and Intel I still dont think they are the great solution for HD content creation... Downloading HD movies of the internet even with a cable connection is painfully slow and definately nothing like iTunes and music when it comes to speed (I dont expect to download the video as quick as MP3 files as videos are definately larger in size BUT I think that 5-6 hours is also a bit too long)... So this again makes me wonder about the appearance of the Pres of Sony, and isnt it kind of strange that basically Tiger and the release of Cell were in about the same time frame? And all that Core Video Core Audio stuff, isnt it a step away from Altivec and rather in the direction of a specialized graphics device aka GPU? I dotn have the answers for any of this, I know I know, in order to take full advantage of the Cell most of the software needs to be rewritten recompiled and such BUT whose to say Apple hasnt been involved in the Cell project from the beginning, Apple wouldnt make it public anyway because of their secrecy, what if there is lets say an Apple version of the Cell (to the best of my understanding the entire Cell architecture is extremely versatile and can be easily transformed in to specific needs/design) or maybe use the Cell as a coprocessor... But then again, what happened with the Power5 derivative and if the Cell is supposedly so powerful (at least when it comes to floating point performance) why is IBM developing Power6? or maybe Power6 is a derivative of the Cell? so again, more questions then answers
Another day, another lack of update, actually we all know that if Apple will hold off the new PM release till WWDC in June then the PM will be a significant one, if the new PM release will be on another Tuesday morning then a lot of people will be disappointed with the specs I guess... Anyway I am still wondering about the appearance of the president of Sony in january and all that year of HD speech (maybe it was just another 3GHZ promise kind of thing) Anyway, Apple likes to disappoint its loyal customers but it also likes to surprise so actually I am kind of happy that there havent been any PM updates as of yet and IF it will hold till WWDC in June I know we will be positively surprised, otherwise I dont think Steve would introduce a dual core procesor without a wide audience watching (in that sense he kind of became too predictable, but Apple is a rather small company that develops its own OS and software along with own hardware so I dont think that they can follow the same business model as Intel or AMD where they announce processors couple of weeks in advance and till they actually appear in machines all of a sudden half a year has passed by, and Apple cant afford to do that, they are losing too many PM sales right now anyway and if people would be put on hold even further they would lose even more potential sales)
Back to the Year of HD speech, We all could guess what did he mean by it but by process of elimination we can kind of guess what it means, I dont think upgrading all monitor resolutions to 1920x1200 makes it a Year of HD, I dont think the release of Mac Mini makes it a Year of HD, even a release of a media center device wont make it a Year of HD because most of the signal is still standard analog tv anyway so why can u call it HD anyway... The recent release of the Pro apps at NAB takes a step forward towards the proclaimed Year of HD BUT still somethign is lacking, that something is serious hardware that up to todays standards can efficiently edit encode decode HD standards, as some people know, HD editing is probably one of the most computer intensive tasks, right now editing uncompressed HD home movie on a dual PM 2.5 (or Xeon 3.06) is to say the least, rather a frustrating and slow experience... Even if the dual cores will be released by IBM AMD and Intel I still dont think they are the great solution for HD content creation... Downloading HD movies of the internet even with a cable connection is painfully slow and definately nothing like iTunes and music when it comes to speed (I dont expect to download the video as quick as MP3 files as videos are definately larger in size BUT I think that 5-6 hours is also a bit too long)... So this again makes me wonder about the appearance of the Pres of Sony, and isnt it kind of strange that basically Tiger and the release of Cell were in about the same time frame? And all that Core Video Core Audio stuff, isnt it a step away from Altivec and rather in the direction of a specialized graphics device aka GPU? I dotn have the answers for any of this, I know I know, in order to take full advantage of the Cell most of the software needs to be rewritten recompiled and such BUT whose to say Apple hasnt been involved in the Cell project from the beginning, Apple wouldnt make it public anyway because of their secrecy, what if there is lets say an Apple version of the Cell (to the best of my understanding the entire Cell architecture is extremely versatile and can be easily transformed in to specific needs/design) or maybe use the Cell as a coprocessor... But then again, what happened with the Power5 derivative and if the Cell is supposedly so powerful (at least when it comes to floating point performance) why is IBM developing Power6? or maybe Power6 is a derivative of the Cell? so again, more questions then answers
blitzkrieg79 said:
I think you're reading way too much into all of this. Power6 and Cell are aimed at different markets (Power6 is for big servers and very high end workstations, Cell is for signal-processing type applications such as video, graphics, audio). If Apple has a super fancy G5 update ready to sell to the public, they will do so as soon as they can - why the hell would they play silly games with "surprises" when billions of dollars are on the line?
Blitz, you and some others might be just as happy to wait until new PMs are updated in hope of a landmark upgrade, but for those of us who are actually in the market (and have been in the market for several months), this waiting game is getting old. As fast as technology is changing these days, a year in between updates is ridiculous - they could have at least lowered the prices on the machines that they currently sell.
I'm in limbo between going ahead and getting a machine, hoping that work will come soon enough to pay for the investment, or should I keep waiting another day, and then another day, in hopes of getting a machine with increased longevity.
I'm in limbo between going ahead and getting a machine, hoping that work will come soon enough to pay for the investment, or should I keep waiting another day, and then another day, in hopes of getting a machine with increased longevity.
Is there really any reason why the iBook and eMac aren't updated ?
They are G4 products. The current G5 situation has no effect on the G4 models. Students and educational institutions are now starting to look for new machines for the next school year. Bumpup the eMac Superdrive to 1.5 or 1.67 GHZ , the Combo eMac to 1.5 GHZ , and the iBook to 1.5 GHZ already . To me , the 1.6 GHZ G5 would be too late now for a laptop. Too slow. If the G4 can be bumped up to 2 GZ by 2007 , the laptops may not need the early G5s .
Even if the top speed of the G5 only reaches 2.7 GHZ now , update the Powermac G5 now. Three models , dual 2.7 , dual 2.5 , and dual 2.2 GHZ would be better than nothing. The iMac G5 could then be updated to 2 GHZ immediately after that.
They are G4 products. The current G5 situation has no effect on the G4 models. Students and educational institutions are now starting to look for new machines for the next school year. Bumpup the eMac Superdrive to 1.5 or 1.67 GHZ , the Combo eMac to 1.5 GHZ , and the iBook to 1.5 GHZ already . To me , the 1.6 GHZ G5 would be too late now for a laptop. Too slow. If the G4 can be bumped up to 2 GZ by 2007 , the laptops may not need the early G5s .
Even if the top speed of the G5 only reaches 2.7 GHZ now , update the Powermac G5 now. Three models , dual 2.7 , dual 2.5 , and dual 2.2 GHZ would be better than nothing. The iMac G5 could then be updated to 2 GHZ immediately after that.
Intel Doal Cores?
apple-x.net shows an interesting link:
http://www.shimon-yanowitz.com/special/Intel/Intel.htm
apple-x.net shows an interesting link:
http://www.shimon-yanowitz.com/special/Intel/Intel.htm
SweetFeet said:
Well I need a new Machine ASAP but I guess my point was that the technology is rather already here (technology that is significantly faster then all the current), its just needs to be mass produced, as you may have noticed Powermacs are not cheap, and as u mentioned earlier, its rather ridiculous to wait almost a year for an upgrade, they should have done it in January, BUT everyone knows that the upgrade is going to happen very soon and the thing is that no one knows if it will be just a mere speedbump or a new architecture (I am guessing the new architecture so thats why I am STILL waiting)... I agree that at least they could decrease the prices BUT Apple is losing Pro customers because they are lagging behind in technology=speed=money... I like Apple, they are the last computer company left out there that has passion in front of dollars (but so did Commodore Atari and all of those companies in the 1980s that basically went bankrupt for not keeping up or making their systems unexpandable) I would love for them to succeede...
quta said:
I never said they are playign any games, its just that for example the CELL technology is available, its probably heavily guarded by Sony IBM and Toshiba but everything is negotiable, How can Apple increase its marketshare by offering inferior performance for a superior price? Mac OS X is great but after a few tweaks and downloads Windows XP isnt that bad either (at least for average home consumer) and its a lot cheaper... Apple not only needs to equal the performance of the x86 world but also exceede it... Apple and IBM are both very capable companies and judging by the Power5 numbers, they definately can design superior processors to those of AMD and Intel... And one last thing, U mentioned that the Power6 and Cell are for different markets and I knew that but from all the hoopla surrounded by the recent release fo the CELL and its specs it seems as if nothing comes close to it in floating point performance and isnt it what Apple needs? Content creation software definately needs more floating point performance then integer anyway, but maybe the CELL is not as powerful as well as cheap as all those "experts" all over the net make it to be...
Blitz, I completely agree - the better they machine they come out with, the better it is for me. I have to completely rely on Apple because I am so heavily invested in their editing software, and other Mac software like After Effects, Adobe CS, etc, and no one else is making Macs, so I'm stuck. I don't need the super-duper top of the line computer - whatever comes out, I will probably get the mid-grade machine. After waiting this long, though, I just feel like Apple doesn't care. If I didn't have so much wrapped up in Mac software, I'd get a Winblows computer with Avid and get to work.
Start a poll
Guys (and girls) can't we start a poll who expects an update tonight?
what everybody thinks? so start voting:
Will there be a hardware update during the special Apple event tonight?
- YES!.......
- No......... ;(
My vote: YES!
Guys (and girls) can't we start a poll who expects an update tonight?
what everybody thinks? so start voting:
Will there be a hardware update during the special Apple event tonight?
- YES!.......
- No......... ;(
My vote: YES!
same week Intel and AMD start selling dual-core ??
The perception could be:
So, the same week that Intel and AMD double the speed of their systems, Apple adds 200MHz.
We all know how wrong that statement is, but too many people would get exactly that idea from the headlines.
It would make sense for Apple to introduce a quad CPU XServe in a larger chassis, however. Show the video devos what they'll get for their render farms....
le_coc said:
The perception could be:
So, the same week that Intel and AMD double the speed of their systems, Apple adds 200MHz.
We all know how wrong that statement is, but too many people would get exactly that idea from the headlines.
It would make sense for Apple to introduce a quad CPU XServe in a larger chassis, however. Show the video devos what they'll get for their render farms....
le_coc said:Guys (and girls) can't we start a poll who expects an update tonight?
what everybody thinks? so start voting:
Will there be a hardware update during the special Apple event tonight?
- YES!.......
- No......... ;(
My vote: YES!
No.