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AidenShaw said:
The perception could be:

So, the same week that Intel and AMD double the speed of their systems, Apple adds 200MHz.


We all know how wrong that statement is, but too many people would get exactly that idea from the headlines.

It would make sense for Apple to introduce a quad CPU XServe in a larger chassis, however. Show the video devos what they'll get for their render farms....
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If they do announce something new tonight, I would agree that it doesn't make sense that it would be the predicted PM speed bump. I'm thinking something much bigger - your comment on the XServe could be right on the money.
 
9800 Xt

propropro said:
Shipping times in the Spanish AppleStore for all Dual PM has changed in the last two days to 1-2 weeks. If you choose the 6800 graphic card, the shipping time is 3-4 weeks, and as many people has already noted, the ATI 9800XT has been completely removed.
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It's about time someone else said this (because I said it when the first rumors were posted). I don't think it's getting the credit deserved though. Isn't the rumor that the new PowerMacs by standard will be getting a Radeon 9600??? Personally, I think that they have pulled the 9800 line so that Apple can offer this as standard and already have the needed supplies to keep shipping times within 1-2 weeks. My personal opinion. Let's think about it, why else would they all of a sudden pull the 9800 option>>>???

As for the poll: NO :(
 
I say YES

%55 chance i say
because I want it to be Yes ;)

Otherwise I say %95 yes at wwdc and that they will be major upgrades of some kind. (i find it hard to believe apple would not have been able to produce minor upgrades a few months ago. I bet they just wanted to dump all resources (partially to 'heal' the 3ghz bad vibe) for something major). I would guess apple/jobs would have felt that a minor upgrade after the 3ghz thing really wouldn't have made up for much and wanted to do something major the next time around so everyone would forget about it and be happy little mac children....or envious little wintel kids from across the tracks). I only speculate this because Jobs did infact adress the 'missing the 3ghz' mark with a fair amount of attention so he obviously is affected by that situation. Personally, for being a corporate power player i think jobs is a pretty cool guy and respect what he's doing by far and large.
 
7-10 days wait for G5

Interesting to note that the stock G5's at store.apple.com have immediate availability, but any changes at all result in a 7- 10 day delay. Last week, you could add memory or a drive and it would only change it to a 1 - 3 day delay. This could be a simple change in inventory levels, or it could signal something new coming down the pipeline in the next day or two.

I'm not sure about the event tonight, but I vote YES to new G5's announced in the next 48 hours, with availability April 29 (since they will ship with Tiger preinstalled).

No other machines appear to have such a long shipping delay when changes are made to the stock configuration.
 
I would say new Power Macs Wednesday at the latest, hopefully ASAP. They will probably be revved on Monday or Tuesday of the coming week, and available with Tiger in time for the worldwide launch of Tiger on the 29th. Just my 2¢ and gut feeling.
 
I vote yes.

but that is strictly because I want yes, and I am trying to think positive.

It is however 420, apple could be releasing some sort of bong. I think an apples-esque bong would look terrific and I don't even smoke the bloody plant.
 
Build times increasing on Australian store

quta said:
Interesting to note that the stock G5's at store.apple.com have immediate availability, but any changes at all result in a 7- 10 day delay. Last week, you could add memory or a drive and it would only change it to a 1 - 3 day delay. This could be a simple change in inventory levels, or it could signal something new coming down the pipeline in the next day or two.

I'm not sure about the event tonight, but I vote YES to new G5's announced in the next 48 hours, with availability April 29 (since they will ship with Tiger preinstalled).

No other machines appear to have such a long shipping delay when changes are made to the stock configuration.
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Interesting pickup - in the same vein, but more telling, is the fact that build times for stock models of Powermacs on the Australian store have gone from all being 1-2 days to 3-5 days for all the duals. Sounds promising :)
 
Quite obviously, there will be no Power Mac update tonight. Earliest possible changes will be next Tuesday (as nearly always).
 
I think the main reason with Apple seeming to not be too concerned about their small speed increases is due to the performance of their machines. At least, by their own tests that is. As seen at their own site under the power mac section, the plain ole 1.8 GHz machine is faster with Photoshop CS than a dual 3.2 GHz Xeon. And the supposed soon to be low end dual 2.0 GHz machine than any of the x86 machines that they show on their tests. So it just seems since their machines can outperform the x86 upper end group at a lower speed, then they probably aren't going to try and rush anything out just to get to it first. But that is just the way it looks to me.
 
Jeegan said:
I think the main reason with Apple seeming to not be too concerned about their small speed increases is due to the performance of their machines. At least, by their own tests that is. As seen at their own site under the power mac section, the plain ole 1.8 GHz machine is faster with Photoshop CS than a dual 3.2 GHz Xeon. And the supposed soon to be low end dual 2.0 GHz machine than any of the x86 machines that they show on their tests. So it just seems since their machines can outperform the x86 upper end group at a lower speed, then they probably aren't going to try and rush anything out just to get to it first. But that is just the way it looks to me.
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I would never belive Apple's speedinfo!
I ran a test in Photoshop CS:
Panther, Dual G5, 2,5 GHz, 2,5 GB RAM. $3000
XP SP2, Pentium 4, 3GHz, 1 GB RAM. $600

Tested on a 1024x1000 pxl psd file containg something like 100 layers. Made an action doing the stuff I use PS for the most, flip horisontal, rotate, scale, crop, blur etc.
The G5 was faster than the P4, but not with much of a margin! And when you look at the price it's plain STUPID!

Compiling flashfiles the P4 crushed the G5!!
 
F/reW/re said:
I would never belive Apple's speedinfo!
I ran a test in Photoshop CS:
Panther, Dual G5, 2,5 GHz, 2,5 GB RAM. $3000
XP SP2, Pentium 4, 3GHz, 1 GB RAM. $600

Tested on a 1024x1000 pxl psd file containg something like 100 layers. Made an action doing the stuff I use PS for the most, flip horisontal, rotate, scale, crop, blur etc.
The G5 was faster than the P4, but not with much of a margin! And when you look at the price it's plain STUPID!

Compiling flashfiles the P4 crushed the G5!!
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Did you use the Photoshop G5 plugin? Also, the G5 would be a bit cheaper with the same memory config as the P4. Anyway, a lot of folks here aren't interested in running Windows, for some strange reason, and I'm one of them.
 
OH yeah...

cosmoed said:
I vote yes.

but that is strictly because I want yes, and I am trying to think positive.

It is however 420, apple could be releasing some sort of bong. I think an apples-esque bong would look terrific and I don't even smoke the bloody plant.
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Brilliant! Brushed Aluminum bong with green Apple emblem. Count me in on one.


Off to other news? I don't understand why no one responds to why Apple dropped the ATI 9800XT? Someone?? Anyone???? Ehhh...
 
I wonder if Apples plummeting share price has had any influence on the announcement of new hardware?....................
 
MacSA said:
I wonder if Apples plummeting share price has had any influence on the announcement of new hardware?....................
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Given the short term nature of stock price movement, and the long term nature of product development and marketing, I think not.
 
daveL said:
Did you use the Photoshop G5 plugin? Also, the G5 would be a bit cheaper with the same memory config as the P4. Anyway, a lot of folks here aren't interested in running Windows, for some strange reason, and I'm one of them.
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Dave what plugin is that? I use Photoshop CS almost daily on my G5...
 
FlyNolJ said:
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Off to other news? I don't understand why no one responds to why Apple dropped the ATI 9800XT? Someone?? Anyone???? Ehhh...
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You tempted me.

I can think of two reasons why Apple would remove the ATI 9800XT from their list of options:

1. ATI is having unexpected problems making enough of these cards for everyone. If this was true, this card would be in short supply everywhere.

2. If no evidence supports hypothesis #1, then I suspect that Apple is rearranging their supply chain internally in preparation for hardware updates. By this, I mean that one or more upcoming Macs from Apple will come with an ATI 9800XT, and these new Macs are due within 1 month of the date the ATI 9800XT was dropped.
 
jicon said:
What on earth are people doing that requires anything faster than a dual 2.5 workstation anyway?
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The people who want something faster than a dual 2.5 are doing more than you are. I work with high definition video and I'd rather have final renders that are faster than 20 hours.

le_coc said:
I more thing.. I forget to all tell you ! why today isn't a bad day foor Apple to announce some new Powermacs: It's the dutch Apple expo ! (http://www.macexpo-nl.org/) SO why not today!
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Well you were talking about April 19, which is a bad day for just about anything given how infamous an anniversary date it is.

nexusfx said:
Give me the best PowerMac on the Market and the games that FULLY take advantage of the Architecture, and I'll never have a date for the rest of my life. Oh crap, the NEW XBOX (I'm going to die alone:))
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I can't believe everyone resisted smartaleck responses. It's just so tempting.

NickFalk said:
Wild speculations to follow:

How about this: Apple seems to be getting into the xGrid/Applications with distributed rendering big time. Perhaps they could relase something like G5-nodes. No Graphic-Card, no (or minimal HD), no drives, just another CPU to help the work. This way the people with these particular computing needs could put their own grids together to do the heavy work?
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It sounds like you're pitching the concept an Xserve Cluster Node. Lucky for you, Apple was listening and you can order as many as you need today.

Sharky II said:
LMAO

man, i really wanna know what jobs you guys do, that requires a dual core 3ghz powermac with blu-ray
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It's not that funny to have 20 hour renders of HD material. H.264 encoding will be no joke either.

calyxman said:
Amazing how some of you accede to what Steve Jobs thinks is the appropriate hardware to run your favorite OS, let alone pay the crazy premium prices on his products which in turn drives his stock price crazy and makes him a very wealthy man. Heaven forbid we get freedom to choose hardware of our choice to run such a great operating system.
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If "freedom" means having to keep track of millions of combinations of hardware and software, well you can have your freedom, while the rest of us "accede" to our OS X and Mac shackles. Your attempt at personalizing the issue is weak.

calyxman said:
So, in other words OS X isn't great alone, you have to take the hardware included? And if our buddy Steve let's us pick and choose our hardware configurations we've turned OS X upside down?? Maybe in the old days when Macs were the most esoteric and complex systems designed on the market could you make the case about integrating the hardware and software closely. But that ain't the case today. Most of the hardware used in today's systems are similar if not identical to what we see on PCs. And we're not simply stuck to using the "proprietary" hardware, nor are we risking any qualities from OS X if we use different hardware. We see examples of how iDVD is compatible with aftermarket DVD burners like the ones from Lacie. After a few updates with iTunes I was able to recognize my external CD burner when I wanted to create music CDs. You're way off the wall on your statement.
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Yes, you have to take the hardware as integral to the OS X experience.

Anyway it's great comedy how you confuse DVD and CD burners with hardware integral to the OS. OS X is designed to run on certain processors, and it leverages the advantages of the processors. You might have heard of CherryOS or PearPC and how horribly slow OS X runs with those on x86 hardware. The reason is the second sentence of this paragraph.
 
Cooknn said:
Dave what plugin is that? I use Photoshop CS almost daily on my G5...
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When the G5 was first announced at WWDC, they did all these on stage demos of various apps and showed a bunch of benchmark results. The Photoshop demo/benchmark used an optimized G5 plugin for PS. Look here:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=2595

It's for PS 7; I don't know how that relates to PS CS. I think the latest PS recently went to 8.0, no? Anyway, for what it worth, I hope this helps.
 
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