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More proof on how Apple is neglecting iPhone 4 users.

petrucci666

petrucci666

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Apr 30, 2009
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I can understand the technical aspects of not supporting the iPhon 4 with some features, but this is just stupid now.

The newest update to the Apple Store app requires a 4S to notify the specialist when you are approaching the store. I won't use this feature and probably many won't, but that's not the point. The point is that they are neglecting the iPhone 4 completely and trying to piss us off.

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One of the previous Apple Store app updates also required the 4S. I forget exactly which feature it was. But the iPhone 4 is a two year old device. It can't be supported forever. You should be happy that it appears that the iPhone 4 will at least get iOS 7, instead of being end of lifed by it.
 
its prolly due to the 4s having the improved more accurate GPS...

would be a waste of company time for employees to be alerted when customers are not really there, or bad for customers to be there and employees not being alerted
 
There's a technical reason why the 4S is the only blessed solution for that feature and it could indeed be the superior GPS.

Let's not get to casting aspersions unless you've looked at the technical aspects of the required features.
 
petrucci666 said:
The newest update to the Apple Store app requires a 4S to notify the specialist when you are approaching the store. I won't use this feature and probably many won't, but that's not the point. The point is that they are neglecting the iPhone 4 completely and trying to piss us off
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The net result of not having this feature on the iPhone 4 is that it makes picking up items at local Apple Store more inconvenient for millions of potential shoppers, which means potential lost sales.

Do you really think they'd lose sales just to piss the iPhone 4 owners off?!
 
nuckinfutz said:
There's a technical reason why the 4S is the only blessed solution for that feature and it could indeed be the superior GPS.

Let's not get to casting aspersions unless you've looked at the technical aspects of the required features.
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Uh, so what about your assertion that it *IS* technical, without detailing the technical aspects?

Yeah, Apple regularly leaves software features off older equipment that the older equipment is perfectly capable of. See Siri, for one.

I honestly don't mean to sound rude, but: get used to it. It's standard Apple business practice. Complain to Apple directly - complaining on a random web forum isn't going to do anything to stop this behavior from Apple.
 
Anonymous Freak said:
Yeah, Apple regularly leaves software features off older equipment that the older equipment is perfectly capable of. See Siri, for one.
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Siri not being on the 4 IS a technical limitation... even if it's not one on the phone.

Anyone with a 4S has dealt with times when the servers simply couldn't handle the load and were told that it's unavailable. If Apple allowed anyone with an iPhone 4 (or iPads) to access the same servers, it would never work for anyone.

...and that's besides the extra noise cancelling tech or processing power.

People are quick to jump to conspiracies, but, more often than not, there are reasons for their actions.
 
Anonymous Freak said:
Uh, so what about your assertion that it *IS* technical, without detailing the technical aspects?

Yeah, Apple regularly leaves software features off older equipment that the older equipment is perfectly capable of. See Siri, for one.

I honestly don't mean to sound rude, but: get used to it. It's standard Apple business practice. Complain to Apple directly - complaining on a random web forum isn't going to do anything to stop this behavior from Apple.
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You're not being rude at all. I'm thinking it could come down to a couple of things.

GLONASS support in superior Qualcomm GPS gear in the 4S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf08o_j68XA

or some sort of improvement to Location Services in hardware.


Keep in mind that it's hard to believe that Apple wants to force people to buy new iPhones when they miraculously enabled support for iOS 6 (albeit limited) for a 3GS.

If they can deliver software that works on a 4 year old phone but cannot deliver a simple check in feature for an iPhone 4 that points more to a HW limitation in the iPhone 4 than Apple's desire to screw people over.
 
I currently own the 4. I opted to skip the 4s, because I didn't have a need for Siri, or some of the other items [camera, etc.]. Couldn't justify it...

However, I don't see what the big deal is, really? The 4 was released in the summer of 2010; 2 years ago. When the next iPhone is released it'll 2 revisions back from the newest model. I don't see many other phone manufacturers providing much of any support at all. At least with the 4 you'll get iOS 6, and probably some features/functionality of iOS 7 when it's released sometime in 2013.
 
But the 4 has the ability for location notifications just like this when "reminders" was added with iOS5. Does seem curious why they wouldn't have this as well since it is basically that same exact feature.
 
matttye said:
The iPhone 4 and below can still show me my exact position when I'm in a building. The improved gps argument is ridiculous.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf08o_j68XA


notice the iphone 4 gps has the person on top of the medium 99% of the video... it freezes a few times as well..,

its not terrible by any means..
but not "exact" as you claim.


im sure apple just wants it to run as smooth as possible for both their employees and customers.
 
I find no coincidence in the iPhone 4 being limited on new features while they are due for an upgrade and the iPhone 5 is coming soon. Just another way for Apple to get people to upgrade.
 
nuckinfutz said:
There's a technical reason why the 4S is the only blessed solution for that feature and it could indeed be the superior GPS.

Let's not get to casting aspersions unless you've looked at the technical aspects of the required features.
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But according to many posters here, the 4 is the exact same phone as the 4S. They have to be right don't they?
 
Instead of worrying about every feature and analyzing why it is or is not included, why don't you just accept it and use your device for what it can do, and do well? Isn't that the whole point of Apple products in the first place? To let them figure out what features will work for a device, omit ones that won't, and do the technical analysis so the end user doesn't have to?

Also did you seriously think your phone would stay relevant for more than 2 years... come on
 
now i may be totally off base here but i thought that the internals were the difference between the 4 & 4s, different chip (single vs double), amount of ram and how the antenna was laid out?
anyone know the specifics?
 
nuckinfutz said:
There's a technical reason why the 4S is the only blessed solution for that feature and it could indeed be the superior GPS.

Let's not get to casting aspersions unless you've looked at the technical aspects of the required features.
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BFizzzle said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf08o_j68XA


notice the iphone 4 gps has the person on top of the medium 99% of the video... it freezes a few times as well..,

its not terrible by any means..
but not "exact" as you claim.


im sure apple just wants it to run as smooth as possible for both their employees and customers.
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To me this sounds like the standard "I'm sorry" excuse people give to defend Apple.

Call it like it is. Apple is SOP has been to do force obsolete.
Your agrument might hold water if these type of moves have not been Apple's SOP for 5 years now on the iPhone.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
To me this sounds like the standard "I'm sorry" excuse people give to defend Apple.

Call it like it is. Apple is SOP has been to do force obsolete.
Your agrument might hold water if these type of moves have not been Apple's SOP for 5 years now on the iPhone.
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The how does does one that holds this position of planned obsolescence reconcile the fact that the 3GS will run iOS 6.0?

By the time iOS 6.0 is deliver the 3GS will be approaching 3.5 years of use. If Apple didn't care about prolonging the life of your phone the 3GS would not have made cut.

The argument given is without merit or even plausibility.
 
It's partly hardware and partly marketing.

Its unfortunate but most other manufactures will not support a phone that Will be two revisions of hardware behind when 6.0 is released.

Think of all those android devices that are stuck at 2.x and never saw 3.x much less 4.x

Microsoft just reported that Windows phone 8 will not run on any 7.0 phones including that brand spanking new Lumina 900.

Some say it can, but can is not will, and just like 6.0 iOS we will have to wait and see.

I just hope 6.0 won't trash the other 3Gs in our family.
 
To all those claiming that it's a technical issue:

It doesn't require high accuracy to know when someone is approaching a store.

Phones have had LBS apps like this for years.

As for (the lack of) Android OS updates, they wouldn't stop apps like this. A smart programmer targets only the level of API that they need, and Android has had support for this kind of thing for years.
 
BFizzzle said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf08o_j68XA


notice the iphone 4 gps has the person on top of the medium 99% of the video... it freezes a few times as well..,

its not terrible by any means..
but not "exact" as you claim.


im sure apple just wants it to run as smooth as possible for both their employees and customers.
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All that video shows me is that the iPhone 4's gps capabilities are almost as good as a 4S. They're certainly not far apart.

If that guy was on his way to an Apple store, Apple could've reliably used the location from either phone to detect how close he was.
 
kdarling said:
To all those claiming that it's a technical issue:

It doesn't require high accuracy to know when someone is approaching a store.

Phones have had LBS apps like this for years.

As for (the lack of) Android OS updates, they wouldn't stop apps like this. A smart programmer targets only the level of API that they need, and Android has had support for this kind of thing for years.
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I agree, no reason why the 4 cannot support this feature.
 
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