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Apple is a mass market retailer that sells hardware & the OS it runs on. In addition their closed proprietary system assures they've got total control over their user base.

Having a captive, easily influenced, cult like group of advocates, only furthers Apples power.

Supported by the masses, Apple flaunts the concept that they are superior & know better than the commoners, and they eat it up. So Apple dictates.

What a racket ... It's good to be Apple. :)

If that were the case, Apple would never have failed products... except they have.

It can't be that people actually think for themselves, do their research, and decide to CHOOSE Apple products because they're the best available product to suit their personal needs. :rolleyes:
 
If that were the case, Apple would never have failed products... except they have.

It can't be that people actually think for themselves, do their research, and decide to CHOOSE Apple products because they're the best available product to suit their personal needs. :rolleyes:

That was then, & this is now.

Recent mistakes like Bing, are so inconsequential due to Apples obscene cash reserves & stratospheric ongoing sales, that it's simply a tiny blip on the radar.

Apples nearly untouchable... for now.

Stay tuned, this is bound to be one helluva movie :D
 
Since when did a two year old device become ancient?

Would you consider a two year old television to be ancient? or a 2010 car? or a 2 year old refrigerator?

It seems odd to me that a product released just two years ago is already considered "legacy hardware" and no longer worthy of updates.

Even a three year old device like the 3GS not receiving a simple feature of a star next to an email entry (VIP Email list) is ridiculous. Can anyone honestly say with a straight face that the 3GS can't support that via hardware?
 
Would you consider a two year old television to be ancient? or a 2010 car? or a 2 year old refrigerator?

How many updates would a tv, car or refrigerator have?

Chances are, they work the same (or worse) 2 years after purchase as they do the day the were brought home.

The fact that a 3 year old phone is getting ANY updates should be looked at as a positive, not a negative.
 
iOS 6 proves that the 3GS is out the door as well. No offline reading list or Mail VIP's? The 3GS could run those two features easily.
 
That's just a meaningless cop out.

Nothing has changed. If Apple puts out a bad product, consumers will complain and won't buy it... as MobileMe, the Cube, Pippen, 20th Anniversary, and so have all proved.
Perhaps you've failed to read the post you're contesting. None of your examples have had a negative effect of any consequence. If they did, Apple would not be the undisputed cash king they are today. Staying current is a valuable asset.
 
Siri not being on the 4 IS a technical limitation... even if it's not one on the phone.

Anyone with a 4S has dealt with times when the servers simply couldn't handle the load and were told that it's unavailable. If Apple allowed anyone with an iPhone 4 (or iPads) to access the same servers, it would never work for anyone.

...and that's besides the extra noise cancelling tech or processing power.

People are quick to jump to conspiracies, but, more often than not, there are reasons for their actions.
Yeah, right. My unofficial Siri on my 3GS works just fine. Apple is just a little bit too lazy (or busy, so you won't be angry) to upgrade their servers.
 
Stopped caring at "trying to piss us off". I'm the furthest thing from an Apple fanboy, but do I expect the world for my two year old iPhone? Nope. You know damn well Apple makes decisions aimed at getting you to upgrade. In this regard, they're no different than any other company. It's what they do.
 
More to the point, do you or anyone else in this thread see a reason why Apple would arbitrarily limit this specific feature to the 4S?
no more then siri was used as a major selling point for the 4s


The whole "planned obsolescence" argument seems a little silly considering this feature actually encourages people to spend more money. :)

Spend more money on upgrading their iphone 4? ;) Its a pretty simple concept that apple would rather you upgrade more often then use a single iphone until the device completely dies. That makes more profit.
 
no more then siri was used as a major selling point for the 4s

Spend more money on upgrading their iphone 4? ;) Its a pretty simple concept that apple would rather you upgrade more often then use a single iphone until the device completely dies. That makes more profit.

Seriously? This feature makes it more convenient to buy stuff from Apple! It will not convince a single person to upgrade. :D Again, I am talking about this specific feature, not the devious Apple conspiracy to force upgrades by choosing backward compatibility of features using a dartboard! :p
 
Seriously? This feature makes it more convenient to buy stuff from Apple! It will not convince a single person to upgrade. :D Again, I am talking about this specific feature, not the devious Apple conspiracy to force upgrades by choosing backward compatibility of features using a dartboard! :p

ok, i was talking about all these not supported features on a whole - i agree with you this one feature will not make or break a person to convince them to upgrade but my original point was there no reason why this can't be supported on all devices which plays into the "my device is becoming obsolete, I need to upgrade" theory
 
ok, i was talking about all these not supported features on a whole - i agree with you this one feature will not make or break a person to convince them to upgrade but my original point was there no reason why this can't be supported on all devices which plays into the "my device is becoming obsolete, I need to upgrade" theory

Which gets back to my question. It there is "no reason why this can't be supported on all devices", then why wouldn't Apple have done it? It would theoretically make them more money to support it.

My guess is that there is probably an annoying issue on the iPhone 4 that caused the feature to fail on occasion, and Apple didn't want to deal with that.
 
Apple isn't spiteful to their customers.. I'm sure it has to do with a hardware comparison etc. something so small and practically useless in my opinion wouldn't block 4 users from experiencing it on purpose
 
Which gets back to my question. It there is "no reason why this can't be supported on all devices", then why wouldn't Apple have done it? It would theoretically make them more money to support it.

My guess is that there is probably an annoying issue on the iPhone 4 that caused the feature to fail on occasion, and Apple didn't want to deal with that.

Who is really ever going to know the reason behind it? nobody
 
That's not what I asked. I was asking about this specific feature. As you said, "we can just speak of this pickup feature since that is what the thread is about."



Clearly? Or just that you are unaware of Apple's reasons? I don't claim to have any inside knowledge. Maybe Apple does just throw features at a dart board. But the reasons for their decision are hardly clear.

People went on and on about how Apple withheld Siri from older devices for the same reason. Personally, I think it's a reasonable assumption based on Siri's performance issues over the last year that maybe the backend support wasn't there yet. Maybe the same thing is going on with maps.



Again, you are speaking in generalities. We are talking about the Apple Store app. One that helps customers buy stuff more conveniently. Your theory seems counterproductive.

Listen, you can brush it (all) under the rug if you wish. There are clearly various things that Apple has limited. Can I say with 100% certainty why they did it? Of course not. But this isn't a court of law, I don't feel obligated to do so. I am simply saying that if these functionalities are duplicated on phones they "are not able to work on", for me, that is evidence enough. You don't agree, that's fine. But if Apple isn't going to come out and give a reason I find it foolish to just accept it "because they said so".

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Who is really ever going to know the reason behind it? nobody

Exactly my point. Apple limits a feature, doesn't tell us why (or maybe gives us a broad "hardware limitations"), and we are supposed to be ok with it and accept it until we can, without a doubt, prove them wrong? Give me a break. This sort of thing upsets me regardless of what company is doing it. Look at Microsoft with windows Phone 8. That's a (many times) worse kick in the nuts than this sort of thing is.
 
Which gets back to my question. It there is "no reason why this can't be supported on all devices", then why wouldn't Apple have done it? It would theoretically make them more money to support it.

My guess is that there is probably an annoying issue on the iPhone 4 that caused the feature to fail on occasion, and Apple didn't want to deal with that.

Why wouldn't Apple want to deal with an annoying issue if it would theoretically make them more money?
 
Seriously? This feature makes it more convenient to buy stuff from Apple! It will not convince a single person to upgrade. :D Again, I am talking about this specific feature, not the devious Apple conspiracy to force upgrades by choosing backward compatibility of features using a dartboard! :p

While it does make it easier to buy things at Apple, it is also likely a feature that people who want it are willing to pay for. If you care for the feature, you will upgrade. If you don't, you likely won't go out and say "well, not shopping at Apple anymore". Again, my point, and the point of this thread, I think, is showing that Apple is slowly stripping features, seemingly arbitrarily (and there is pretty good evidence in some, but not all, cases) from their older devices.

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Why wouldn't Apple want to deal with an annoying issue if it would theoretically make them more money?

Because this is a convenient answer for why this feature is limited to the 4S and doesn't really put Apple at fault.

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Well, lets take the siri example. Apple's definition of working is likely different to the guy(s) who hacked it to work on the 4.

The 4s has a noise cancelling mic to improve voice recognition. Maybe they deemed the results on the 4 to be "not good enough" standard to support?



As to OS X - it looks the same, but under the covers there's a HELL of a lot of development re-writing going on there.

Much more than with Windows, in fact.

The windows NT kernel hasn't changed all that much since the days of Windows NT 4. They had a big jump with Vista but that's it. Scheduler tweaks, etc. Its mostly UI fluff.

OS X has had massive internal changes, new APIs developed for sandboxing, multithreading, etc.



It just looks the same, but that is becaue in apple's eyes they got the UI mostly right the first time. Much the same as IOS looking mostly the same back to version 1.

Well, We use Siri on my fiance's 4. I can tell you that it fails no more (or less) than it does on my 4S, which it obviously came with. This is anecdotal evidence, of course, but plenty of others seem to agree based on their own experiences. Does that mean you are wrong? No, but it certainly is a convenient "hardware limitation". I can certainly understand that Apple has "strict guidelines". They seem to have failed miserably with Siri though, a product that is just about the only feature advertised on the 4S in every commercial, is still in beta (something they aren't very public about, certainly NOT in the commercials anyway), and often doesn't work for many, MANY users, including myself. In my experience with Apple this is the first actual quality control issue that I have found to be borderline unacceptable. For the most part, I don't even use siri because I don't want to be let down. And that is not an exaggeration.

And what are the hardware limitations to maps and 3G over facetime?

As far as Windows, I was simply raising a point. By the time a huge upgrade pops up with features that most "joe blow" users need, you will end up having spent (about) the same on the two OSs. My intention wasn't to make the MS vs Apple. You brought it up, and that was my response. Apple gives us incremental upgrades to the OS that we can opt to purchase. Windows does their "overhaul" once every three or so years. I prefer Apple's model, but the point was they are charging relatively the same, it is just a different sales model. For what it's worth I would prefer if MS did something like Apple in a variety of ways, not the least of which being allowed to purchase one copy of the OS for up to five different computers (I believe those numbers are right). Though we only have one Mac currently, that's a huge savings over buying Windows for multiple machines.
 
No, I didn't. Your question was the same one that I asked. The simplest answer is that there were hardware issues with the iPhone 4. :)

No, you said:

"My guess is that there is probably an annoying issue on the iPhone 4 that caused the feature to fail on occasion, and Apple didn't want to deal with that."

So I asked, why wouldnt Apple want to deal with an annoying issue (i.e. make it work on older devices) if it would earn them more money?

My question wasn't the same as yours.
 
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