When will they allow for favicons in the favorites bar???? I want to be able to use Safari because I can use Touch ID to log in to my accounts, but the lack of favicons really takes away from the experience. Where is Apple on this? The other major browsers all have them, but Apple is still living in the Stone Age.
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More Safari Tweaks Added in Latest macOS Monterey Beta
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I'd like them to also put the proxy icon back on windows, without having hover disclosure. Still on Catalina, hoping they fix this one day so I can upgrade.
Heck, leave Safari design as it used to be! Just fix that goddamn webkit bugs and no support for modern standards!
Which isn’t wrong according to the logic they’re now following, but goes against the logic they’ve been following before (and still follow in other parts of the system).
The principle they now follow is: Active is whatever contrasts the most against the surroundings, whereas inactive almost but not quite sinks into the background. Nothing wrong with that, it’s an established concept. Just look at this very site for example. The navigation buttons for thread pages (1 2 3 Next >) work this way: In light mode, dark is active. In dark mode, light is active. Because if they adhered to ”lighter is always active”, the page would be littered with dark rectangles in light mode.
But then if you go into something like Calendar on iOS, you’ll find that the active view tab (Day | Week | Month | Year) is always the lightest both in dark and light mode. Just like Safari tabs used to work (and Chrome tabs still do). Whereas in Calendar in Big Sur is the other way around - in light mode, dark is active.
So, which logic is the correct one? When both make sense in their own way, it comes down to things like which one is the more aesthetically pleasing. And because this is Apple, they will take non-ugly any day.
The issue is just that they didn’t go far enough with the contrast. If the dark tab in light mode were black with white text on it, we’d get it immediately. The look they have for the active tab right now isn’t that, is just a dull dark that doesn’t even remotely signal ”ACTIVE!” but more like ”half asleep”.
The root of the problem, really, is that Dark mode was ushered in without having fully thought it through and laid down the design principles. Now nobody seems able to decide whether dark mode means inverted or just dark.
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I guess Apple is too big for changes now. The growing number of oldheads they need to serve makes it impossible.
It has nothing to do with oldheads.
The new Safari tab design is objectively counter intuitive and confusing.
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With these kinds of changes being made to Monterey this close to the even next Monday, I’m thinking it’s more and more likely that its not going to be the common situation of “you can order today and they’ll ship next week”. It seems like stuff that would be locked down (for good or bad) longer before the release of new machines that can only run the new OS.
I’m just really disappointed with Apple over this.
Safari has been my favourite browser on the Mac and iOS for over 10 years.
From the start, it’s always been lightweight and sleek and the ‘star’ app of the Mac - and then iOS - & one of the key reasons to get a Mac or iPhone imho.
With these changes, Apple has nearly ruined it.
Tab groups are good. Every other change is bad. And what makes it worse, is how pointless these changes are. Nothing about them improves Safari.
It feels like a UI experiment for the future of the Mac that Apple is arrogant enough to ship to hundreds of millions of users. On the primary app of the Mac.
I don’t know who in Apple has such a big ego that they won’t properly climb down from these changes - but they should ASAP.
Or maybe Apple wants to have reviews of the new M1X MacBooks all mentioning that Safari 15 is 🤦♂️.
At least Firefox is (nearly) much better on the Mac than it used it be.
Safari has been my favourite browser on the Mac and iOS for over 10 years.
From the start, it’s always been lightweight and sleek and the ‘star’ app of the Mac - and then iOS - & one of the key reasons to get a Mac or iPhone imho.
With these changes, Apple has nearly ruined it.
Tab groups are good. Every other change is bad. And what makes it worse, is how pointless these changes are. Nothing about them improves Safari.
It feels like a UI experiment for the future of the Mac that Apple is arrogant enough to ship to hundreds of millions of users. On the primary app of the Mac.
I don’t know who in Apple has such a big ego that they won’t properly climb down from these changes - but they should ASAP.
Or maybe Apple wants to have reviews of the new M1X MacBooks all mentioning that Safari 15 is 🤦♂️.
At least Firefox is (nearly) much better on the Mac than it used it be.
Could be.
Could also be that those machines ship with 12.0, but it doesn't ship for everyone else, and then 12.1 arrives for everyone in November, with these tweaks included.
There it was, gone. Thought it (Safari) was better after this, 30 mins in and back to a dogs dinner.
Don't care what highlighting they do, make it work. Back to Firefox I suppose.
That bad this time around not bothering with beta again. Never had this much grief for so long in all the others I have participated in.
Don't care what highlighting they do, make it work. Back to Firefox I suppose.
That bad this time around not bothering with beta again. Never had this much grief for so long in all the others I have participated in.
Looks F up. They now sacrificed the whole macos UI on the altar of merging all their ios and macos apps together forgetting that one size simply won’t fit all. The UI looks like those old Firefox themes created by amateurs.
Safari designer: “But what if we use cottage cheese instead?”
This, thankfully, is fixed in Monterey in so far as it has become an Accessibility setting in System Preferences.
Accessibility settings in MacOS, iOS and iPadOS have become a dumping ground for settings that have nothing to do with physical accessibility. Clearly, Apple is trying to score political points by moving settings from application/hardware preferences and burying them in Accessibility, in order to inflate the number of available settings. Apple wants to say "Look at us, we have this Accessibility thing with all these settings" when many of those settings should be located in more appropriate places. Examples:
MacOS
On a Mac laptop, trackpad scrolling speed is not located in trackpad preferences, but is buried in Accessibility (even though mouse scrolling speed is located in mouse preferences).
Mouse pointer size is not located in mouse preferences, but is buried in Accessibility.
To turn off spring loaded folders in the Finder, you don't go to Finder Preferences. Instead, that setting is buried in Accessibility.
iPhone/iPad
On iPhone and iPad if you go to Settings >Display & Brightness, there is no setting to control auto brightness. Instead, you have to go to Accessibility.
On iPhones that have Touch ID, the setting to unlock by pressing the home button once and leaving your finger on the button is not located in Touch ID settings, but is buried in Accessibility.
Dynamic head tracking for Spatial Audio is not located in the Spatial Audio setting, but is buried in Accessibility.
Moving settings from the application/hardware preferences and burying them in Accessibility is not helpful at all. It just causes more irritation because people now have to look in two places to find things: the application/hardware preferences and Accessibility. Accessibility has become as convoluted as iTunes and this helps no one.
I agree with you on all the stuff moving to Accessibility settings, but for this one you can access it in Control Center with force touch on the volume control.
I sent feedback practically begging them to switch it back to the way it was. Which was much more useful. And attractive. I cannot BELIEVE they're still trying to tweak this disastrous design. I can't believe they RELEASED IT. They instantly made macOS and iPadOS Safari worse with this update.
