Moto 360 vs Watch Design. (Real photos)

[Piggie]

I did. I said I think Watch looks like a cohesive design, that the watch and bands were designed together. Whereas the Almost 360 looks like one person designed an alimunum tire and someone else the band that goes with it. I also don't like the the bands attach at the bottom vs the middle of the device. That also makes it look less cohesive. Apple may not be using standard watch bands but I'll bet the 3rd party market for Watch bands will be huge. Just like the iPhone case market is huge.

I agree with you totally.

Whoever did that strap needs a boot up the ass big time.

The Moto360 in say a gunmetal grey / grey titatium body shell, with a nice metal strap that blended into the body would look 1000% better.

tbh, this aspect should be the easy bit, it's like they spent so much time on making the screen/device, then spent the last day on the final look/strap on the outside.

That being said, that SHOULD be an easy fix, it's just simple design/engineering to sort out. that hard work is 99% done.

A software update has major improved the battery life I hear.

Really they need to fix the aesthetics as I say. Easy.
Solve the technical hurdle at the bottom of the screen. Hard, but I hope do'able in time.
And of course, have a mark 2 electrics inside and it really could lift the device in WANT terms.

I like the fact it seems quite open as to the face designs people are coming up with, something as I've said before I fear will be more closed down and heavily controlled on Apples device. But I may be totally wrong.
It's just how HARSH Apple are on the app store with their fierce policing, I fear this aspect will be very controlled.


And yes, 3rd party watch band market will be huge, People here are saying OMG $100 for a stainless strap at least.

Do me a favor and go onto ebay and hunt for Stainless Steel watch straps and just see how cheap very nice looking fine intricate watch straps are.

It remains to see if Apple will try and sue people who made straps that fit into their device, perhaps they have copyrighted the connector method?

 

[KPOM]

It remains to see if Apple will try and sue people who made straps that fit into their device, perhaps they have copyrighted the connector method?

It would be a patent rather than a copyright. But Apple may tolerate or even encourage third party straps at some point, just as they have encouraged third party iPhone cases. Remember, Apple wants the Watch to be personal, so opening up to third party bands could help them expand their reach without having to go beyond their existing combinations. They might not open it up immediately, though. They supposedly put a lot of time and effort into the band designs and may want them to be "exclusive" for a while.

 

[Rogifan]

It would be a patent rather than a copyright. But Apple may tolerate or even encourage third party straps at some point, just as they have encouraged third party iPhone cases. Remember, Apple wants the Watch to be personal, so opening up to third party bands could help them expand their reach without having to go beyond their existing combinations. They might not open it up immediately, though. They supposedly put a lot of time and effort into the band designs and may want them to be "exclusive" for a while.

Yeah I wouldn't expect 3rd party bands right away but I hope Apple allows 3rd party watch faces. Considering there is an SDK right out of the gate I'm guessing they will as developers will be pushing for it.

 

[Piggie]

Yeah I wouldn't expect 3rd party bands right away but I hope Apple allows 3rd party watch faces. Considering there is an SDK right out of the gate I'm guessing they will as developers will be pushing for it.

There may be, and you may well be right.

But what if Apple issues a whole raft of guidelines, and sits there and blocks load of face designs as they deem them inappropriate, not up to quality, tasteless, copyright material etc etc.

We all know people will be wanting, right away to take screen shots of well known expensive watch brands, Rolex, Breitling etc etc and have those faces on the Apple watch.

I think Apple will simply ban those.

I honestly truley hope I'm wrong, and anyone with the watch can make their own personal watch face using some app on say an iPhone or iMac.

I just know what Apple's like.

 

[Rogifan]

There may be, and you may well be right.

But what if Apple issues a whole raft of guidelines, and sits there and blocks load of face designs as they deem them inappropriate, not up to quality, tasteless, copyright material etc etc.

We all know people will be wanting, right away to take screen shots of well known expensive watch brands, Rolex, Breitling etc etc and have those faces on the Apple watch.

I think Apple will simply ban those.

I honestly truley hope I'm wrong, and anyone with the watch can make their own personal watch face using some app on say an iPhone or iMac.

I just know what Apple's like.

Outside of explicit material it's not like Apple is known for banning things left right and center from the App Store. My guess is people will want unique watch faces, faces that take advantage of the software rather than just a copy of an existing analog face.

 

[edhchoe]

a little depth on the dial would be nice on the moto 360. The display on the surface of the crystal looks just too weird for a watch.

 

[iCore24]

a little depth on the dial would be nice on the moto 360. The display on the surface of the crystal looks just too weird for a watch.

You mean the glass cover or watch face?

 

[diamond.g]

So what is your take on the LG G Watch R?

 

[Piggie]

So what is your take on the LG G Watch R?

From the renders? It looks good, certainly the least "what the heel is that thing on your wrist" looking of all the devices so far.

It does not have the dead spot of the moto360, but has the ring around the outside, but then, many MANY normal watches have that and no one seems to complain.

The only real problem with it, as far as this forum is concerned is that it does not have the Apple Logo on it, and as Apple have not chosen to go with a round design, we also have the round haters here also

All that to one side, as I said, from the images I've seen so far, it seems the watch one could easily where without fear of looking like a total dick.

Certainly an excellent attempt as a v1 of this product, if that's the 1st try with this design/shape, then the future is looking very good for us consumers, as there should be a nice range of choice out there in smart watches over the next few years.

 

[Rogifan]

From the renders? It looks good, certainly the least "what the heel is that thing on your wrist" looking of all the devices so far.

It does not have the dead spot of the moto360, but has the ring around the outside, but then, many MANY normal watches have that and no one seems to complain.

The only real problem with it, as far as this forum is concerned is that it does not have the Apple Logo on it, and as Apple have not chosen to go with a round design, we also have the round haters here also

All that to one side, as I said, from the images I've seen so far, it seems the watch one could easily where without fear of looking like a total dick.

Certainly an excellent attempt as a v1 of this product, if that's the 1st try with this design/shape, then the future is looking very good for us consumers, as there should be a nice range of choice out there in smart watches over the next few years.

How does that ring look when you're not starring at an analog watch face? Totally out of place. Basically the only reason it looks good is because the face is circular instead of rounded rec. I don't get it though. A circular face is best for one thing - displaying the time. In order for any other information to be useful on a circular display the display itself has to be quite large.

Moto said the #1 goal when designing the Almost 360 was the face had to be round. Imagine if, when Apple was designing the original iPhone it's #1 goal was the device had to have a physical keyboard because people are used to physical keyboards and won't use anything else. Apple said it looked at round watch faces but the user experience wasn't as good. At the end of the day that's what will matter.

 

[diamond.g]

How does that ring look when you're not starring at an analog watch face? Totally out of place. Basically the only reason it looks good is because the face is circular instead of rounded rec. I don't get it though. A circular face is best for one thing - displaying the time. In order for any other information to be useful on a circular display the display itself has to be quite large.

Moto said the #1 goal when designing the Almost 360 was the face had to be round. Imagine if, when Apple was designing the original iPhone it's #1 goal was the device had to have a physical keyboard because people are used to physical keyboards and won't use anything else. Apple said it looked at round watch faces but the user experience wasn't as good. At the end of the day that's what will matter.

Didn't Apple also exclaim that the user experience with a big phone was poor as well? They will say things that serve their narrative at that point and time (like any good company would).

What I do find interesting is no one is comparing the Apple Watch design to the other square android watches.

 

[ditzy]

So what is your take on the LG G Watch R?

I don't like the look of android wear, but other than that I think that the moto 360 is actually quite a nice watch.
However as a woman, I would not go anywhere near the LG watch. It's not even close to being unisex. Though it seems to be a decent men's watch.

 

[StoneJack]

So what is your take on the LG G Watch R?

IMHO, its round form is what kills it. Again, you can see half-cut text in lower part. The blue clock face doesn't look very good too.

 

[diamond.g]

IMHO, its round form is what kills it. Again, you can see half-cut text in lower part. The blue clock face doesn't look very good too.

I agree that the cut off test would appear to be a problem in a lot of situations, but from experience it isn't that bad.

A lot of it is different usage pattern, on the AW it appears that you would be able to look at iMessages to anyone even if you hadn't actually received one, but with Wear you only are interacting with notifications you have received (does that make sense?)

 

[StoneJack]

I think that traditional round form came from mechanics of clock; though later other forms appeared, in general they all were dominated by the mechanical watch functions, i.e. round form. That remained even true for digital watches, many G-shocks and ProTrek watches have round display but quadratic form. LG and Moto both fell under that spell of old form and function. Apple's take on smartwatch is liberated from old pattern, so i expect much better interaction as a smartwatch (not usual watch). In other words, AW form is purely coming from its functions of smartwatch, not mechanical watch.

 

[Piggie]

I think that traditional round form came from mechanics of clock; though later other forms appeared, in general they all were dominated by the mechanical watch functions, i.e. round form. That remained even true for digital watches, many G-shocks and ProTrek watches have round display but quadratic form. LG and Moto both fell under that spell of old form and function. Apple's take on smartwatch is liberated from old pattern, so i expect much better interaction as a smartwatch (not usual watch). In other words, AW form is purely coming from its functions of smartwatch, not mechanical watch.

So why have they put a fake pretend winder on the side to pretend to look like the device watches have always had to wind up watches forever.

If they wished to break from the old watch look, they would have come up with a way to control the watch without putting a fake watch winder on the side.

Why even have the watch so narrow?

Think about it. The watch can only be so high as that the side of your wrist, but your arm is long, why stay with an old style watch shape?

There is no reason at all the watch could not of been wider.
Can't be taller, but wider would make zero difference.
Your arm bone does not bed.

They could of made a revolutionary jump and reshaped the watch for the future. But they made a fake watch shape with a fake winder.

 

[diamond.g]

I think that traditional round form came from mechanics of clock; though later other forms appeared, in general they all were dominated by the mechanical watch functions, i.e. round form. That remained even true for digital watches, many G-shocks and ProTrek watches have round display but quadratic form. LG and Moto both fell under that spell of old form and function. Apple's take on smartwatch is liberated from old pattern, so i expect much better interaction as a smartwatch (not usual watch). In other words, AW form is purely coming from its functions of smartwatch, not mechanical watch.

So what about the MetaWatch M1?

 

[shanson27]

Looks the Apple Watch really too big and bulky ?

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IUiNbl_YbQ

 

[Rogifan]

Looks the Apple Watch really too big and bulky ?

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Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IUiNbl_YbQ

People who have seen the watch in person, have tried it on, say it looks bulkier in photos than it really is. Watch the keynote demo by Kevin Lynch. He appears to be wearing the stainless steel watch with milanese band. The watch doesn't look bulky on his wrist at all.

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So why have they put a fake pretend winder on the side to pretend to look like the device watches have always had to wind up watches forever.

If they wished to break from the old watch look, they would have come up with a way to control the watch without putting a fake watch winder on the side.

Why even have the watch so narrow?

Think about it. The watch can only be so high as that the side of your wrist, but your arm is long, why stay with an old style watch shape?

There is no reason at all the watch could not of been wider.
Can't be taller, but wider would make zero difference.
Your arm bone does not bed.

They could of made a revolutionary jump and reshaped the watch for the future. But they made a fake watch shape with a fake winder.

For someone who doesn't seem very impressed by this product at all you sure seem to be spending a lot of time and energy talking about it.

 

[StoneJack]

So what about the MetaWatch M1?

I don't understand curved display lines. Do you have curved notebook or curved desktop display? Also monocolor display looks very dull. Have no idea about it capabilities, though.

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So why have they put a fake pretend winder on the side to pretend to look like the device watches have always had to wind up watches forever.

If they wished to break from the old watch look, they would have come up with a way to control the watch without putting a fake watch winder on the side.
Think about it. The watch can only be so high as that the side of your wrist, but your arm is long, why stay with an old style watch shape?
There is no reason at all the watch could not of been wider.
Can't be taller, but wider would make zero difference.
Your arm bone does not bed.
They could of made a revolutionary jump and reshaped the watch for the future. But they made a fake watch shape with a fake winder.

These all valid points. My guess is that since higher value versions (gold) are expected to be traded as high fashion accessories (digital accessories), it did have to had some resemblance to analog watches. Hence the traditional form, albeit quadratic one.
As for winder, thats a good point too. They could make it as a volume key on iphone, for example, but decided to make as a winder. The choice of winder was that it allows for scrolling and push (maybe double push), also long and short push. This flexibility combined with necessity to stay close to traditional forms because of fashion requirements might made it look like winder. Moto doesn't seem to have winding capacity in their fake winder, but AW does.

 

[diamond.g]

I don't understand curved display lines. Do you have curved notebook or curved desktop display? Also monocolor display looks very dull. Have no idea about it capabilities, though.

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These all valid points. My guess is that since higher value versions (gold) are expected to be traded as high fashion accessories (digital accessories), it did have to had some resemblance to analog watches. Hence the traditional form, albeit quadratic one.
As for winder, thats a good point too. They could make it as a volume key on iphone, for example, but decided to make as a winder. The choice of winder was that it allows for scrolling and push (maybe double push), also long and short push. This flexibility combined with necessity to stay close to traditional forms because of fashion requirements might made it look like winder. Moto doesn't seem to have winding capacity in their fake winder, but AW does.

The face of the M1 is pretty flat to me? or are you talking about how the frame is exactly square (rectangle)? Yeah the monochrome display leaves a lot to be desired.

For the Moto360 usually the crowns have ribs if they are meant to be spun. I have never looked at a digital watch with a smooth button and thought maybe it spins as well.

 

[StoneJack]

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The face of the M1 is pretty flat to me? or are you talking about how the frame is exactly square (rectangle)? Yeah the monochrome display leaves a lot to be desired.

For the Moto360 usually the crowns have ribs if they are meant to be spun. I have never looked at a digital watch with a smooth button and thought maybe it spins as well.
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Yes, sorry, I meant the curved frame of M1Core. Doesn't look good to me. Other M1s have straight frame lines. Same concept as Apple's and i think its a right way. Compared to the screen, AW with its butterflies and space looks good.

Moto360's fake winder/crown doesn't spin as it seems. its a button designed for pushing as it is obviously very sleek and you can't spin it by fingers.

In that sense, Apple's approach makes sense because the winder spins for scrolling (and maybe something else as well, like reading message or whatever) but it does perform some function related with spinning the crown. I would never thought of using the fake winder that way, but it seems that AW guys are very clever. With small screen, touch is very limited, so scrolling is really made easier. It also looks natural though I am not sure if I want to use that winder that much.

 

[Rogifan]

Here's a photo of the LG G Watch R (wow that's a mouthful). Just goes to show how renders of this (and the Almost 360) make them look nicer than they are in real life. Sure the LG watch doesn't have the flat tire look of the Moto watch but that's because it uses additional hardware to cover the bezel. Hardware that's always there whether you're staring at an analog watch face or not.

 

[Piggie]

To be fair

That 'Hardware' You are pointing out that has to always be there, is also 'There' on many, what many would call traditional mens watches these days.

It They always used to be called Divers Watches, I did wonders how many of them were used for diving

But I guess it's just a style now, seeing how so many normal? mens watches have this ring.

Not a fan of the ring myself, but it seems to have become accepted as a normal thing to have for those type of watches.

I agree though, I'd like to see a round or oblong watch without any or virtually no Bezel.

Wonder who will be the 1st to crack it?

 

[StoneJack]

To be fair

That 'Hardware' You are pointing out that has to always be there, is also 'There' on many, what many would call traditional mens watches these days.

It They always used to be called Divers Watches, I did wonders how many of them were used for diving

But I guess it's just a style now, seeing how so many normal? mens watches have this ring.

Not a fan of the ring myself, but it seems to have become accepted as a normal thing to have for those type of watches.

I agree though, I'd like to see a round or oblong watch without any or virtually no Bezel.

Wonder who will be the 1st to crack it?

Apple?