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Motorola and PowerBook, iMac Delays

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grrrr...

This whole Motorola business has put me off owning any of their products...silly I know, but Im not getting that Moto phone 😱 🙁
 
Re: grrrr...

Originally posted by LordMord
This whole Motorola business has put me off owning any of their products...silly I know, but Im not getting that Moto phone 😱 🙁
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Actually, I don't know how bad their new phones are, but their older phones used to be quite good. My 5 year old Startac is still functioning quite well, despite being dropped many many times.

Maybe a parallel can be drawn here. I don't know.
 
Re: Re: IBM outsourcing

Originally posted by nydoofus
And probably produce a more efficent, lower power and faster processor to boot.
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and probably for even less $ (considering the G4 is considered "old" to IBM)
 
curious

Get the feeling Motorola does this on purpose? It's not like they DON'T have the resources. They have resources up the wazoo. It's a tactical sabotoge. Organized of course by the Evil Bill.
 
Or accidentally make them G5's..."oops...we're sorry Mr. Jobs, but in all the confusion, we did not end up successfully making these 7457's for you, I sure hope you can settle for these G5 PB processors instead"
 
This is SO TYPICAL of Motorola. Even now when IBM is going forward with G5, Motorola is still having delays. Bottomline is Motorola has been causing one monumental disappointment after another for Apple and its fans.

Forget Motorola and their 7457. Lets have IBM come up with new G3 with SIMD (Gobe or one of those desert names) and use that instead. I'm sure the performance will be just as good, if not better. And more importantly, it probably won't suffer DELAYS like you Mo-turd-rola.
 
When will I switch? November? Will the update worth the wait?

I just want a 15" AlPB.

Anybody has news on the improved G3's?
 
Or... maybe the current rumors are just to keep us off guard for a release scheduled for tomorrow... or next Tuesday...

We can always be hopeful!
 
On september 5th I leave the country to go to school in London and I would love to have a new shiny UPATED 12" PowerBook.

I don't understand how Motorolla can be consistely bad with proccessors for so long. Why hasn't the people responsible been fired and new people put in place who can get the job done.
 
IBM's G3's instead...

1) Apple is not going to downgrade a processor.

2) The new IBM G3's won't be available until a bit later. But if Motorola screws up again, we might see new iBooks before new PowerBooks.

3) Apple would have to redesign the PowerBook G4 for G3's, so if the delay is too much longer, Apple is going to take the logical route, cancel the project and work on G5's.

And then take action against Moto.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

However, I do like to give Murphy his due...

Jaedreth
 
Motorola

Well, Motorola *did* fire a bunch of people.

But they didn't hire back.

They are understaffed.

I bet their MOS's, especially MOS 13 are hemorraghing money.

As they are, they're leasing unused space in their three Austin facilities to other companies, to help keep rent... In short, they're going downhill. Perhaps if they focused on one thing... Cell phones, and ditched everything else, they could stay competitive. Maybe.

Jaedreth
 
So is it safe to say that we probably won't be seeing any new PowerBooks until around mid-September? Cuz if it is, I'm going out to buy a new TiBook tomorrow morning 😛

(sorry if the question's a little dumb, I'm new at this analyzing rumors thing...)
 
Re: IBM's G3's instead...

Originally posted by jaedreth
1) Apple is not going to downgrade a processor.

2) The new IBM G3's won't be available until a bit later. But if Motorola screws up again, we might see new iBooks before new PowerBooks.

3) Apple would have to redesign the PowerBook G4 for G3's, so if the delay is too much longer, Apple is going to take the logical route, cancel the project and work on G5's.

And then take action against Moto.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

However, I do like to give Murphy his due...

Jaedreth
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Doesn't IBM have a G3+Velocity Engine? (Gobi i think). Apple must have some contract with Motorola keeping them with Moto.
 
i knew it!! i knew it!!!😱

everything was on track for a WWDC release of updated PowerBooks and it was Scum-a-rola that stuffed it up!

even thought Moto has made 7457 evaluation chips available throught it's distibution lines... i guess that means they're coming closer to a release.

but if Moto is still having problems with very low yields now... when will the 7457 get here? i'm guessing there is no quick fix for this type of problem. won't Moto have to make some drastic changes to get better yields of the chip?

and wasn't the Motorola Semi-conductor dept. up for sale a while back? so we know that whatever equiptment they have they aren't really putting 100% effort into this new chip.

this will probably be the last chip from Moto. they can't even properly make chips now on their 0.13 micron process... but in 6 months time we should be seeing G5's for the PowerBooks being manufactured with a 90nm process.


wowoah, yep. it looks like a September release of the PB's. 🙁 at least that's what i'm thinking now.
 
Funny how when we hear rumors that IBM's Fishkill facility is having some problems, we all just assume that it will be fixed in relatively short order. We hear rumors of Motorola's screw up and everyone wants to kill them. The difference? Motorola has a long history of screwing Apple over.

To me, it speaks volumes that no one at Motorola was available to comment on the story. We know Apple is not going to ever comment on rumors, release dates, etc. But you'd think that someone at Moto would be glad to come out and plead that the delay isn't their fault.


Moto sucks, and I hate them. But I also blame Apple for sticking with a bad relationship for so long. Moto's been doing this kind of crap for years. I side with those who say that utilizing two chip makers is good business, so long as one of them isn't Motorola.
 
Showing some extreme ingorance here... is there any IP that Moto or IBM has that would prevent another high volume chip maker, say AMD, Intel, Nvida, from making a G4/G5 chip? For Apple? They seem to have the processes down, why not leverage the volume and expertise they have in mass producing many, many processors?
 
Apple is losing money every single day in the lucrative back-to-school market. By the beginning of September, the buying season will be mostly finished.

My predictions, assuming the the new PB line comes out in mid to late September:

1. Apple posts a loss in Q3
2. Apple puts all its effort into accelerating G5 PB development and has a new line ready in early spring. All G4 products discontinued.
3. Apple files suit against Motorola for financial losses resulting from Moto's failure to honor their contract.

It's going to be an interesting 6 months. These developments have made me decide to wait for a G5 PB, which otherwise I wouldn't have done. I think apple is putting all their effort into getting G5 PB's ready right now. They probably have been since apple's release at MacWorld NY was foiled.

-chomsky
 
Move everything to the G5...

By next year this is what I want their product line to look like (all processors are G5's):

PowerMac:
Dual 3GHz
Dual 2.7GHz
Dual 2.4GHz

PowerBook
17" Dual 2GHz
15" Dual 2GHz
15" 1.8Ghz
12" 1.6GHz

iMac
17" 2GHz
15" 1.8GHz

iBook
14" 1.4GHz
12" 1.4GHz
12" 1.2GHz

eMac
1.4GHz
1.2GHz


If they went all G5, they would have no dependencies on motorloa anymore. It would be really cost efficient to have only one chip to make rather then 3. It would also be better for apple to fully migrate their apps and what not to the G5. It would also help sales of the iBook, because no one wants a G3 now that the G5 is out.

If IBM can keep on making faster processors on a regular basis, the powermac line should have no problem keeping on top, with the latest and greatest features too. This means performance all across their lines, with big profits too. It can be a win-win situation, although it is more of a dream now...

--Waluigi
 
Re: Move everything to the G5...

Originally posted by Waluigi
By next year this is what I want their product line to look like (all processors are G5's):

PowerMac:
Dual 3GHz
Dual 2.7GHz
Dual 2.4GHz

PowerBook
17" Dual 2GHz
15" Dual 2GHz
15" 1.8Ghz
12" 1.6GHz

iMac
17" 2GHz
15" 1.8GHz

iBook
14" 1.4GHz
12" 1.4GHz
12" 1.2GHz

eMac
1.4GHz
1.2GHz


If they went all G5, they would have no dependencies on motorloa anymore. It would be really cost efficient to have only one chip to make rather then 3. It would also be better for apple to fully migrate their apps and what not to the G5. It would also help sales of the iBook, because no one wants a G3 now that the G5 is out.

If IBM can keep on making faster processors on a regular basis, the powermac line should have no problem keeping on top, with the latest and greatest features too. This means performance all across their lines, with big profits too. It can be a win-win situation, although it is more of a dream now...

--Waluigi
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I'll have one of each😀
Adios moto, it's time to go. Where's Jack Kevorkian when you need him?
 
IBM has never shipped a G5 on time

Originally posted by macphoria
Forget Motorola and their 7457. Lets have IBM come up with new G3 with SIMD (Gobe or one of those desert names) and use that instead. I'm sure the performance will be just as good, if not better. And more importantly, it probably won't suffer DELAYS like you Mo-turd-rola.
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Wow, IBM has yet to meet a target date for the PPC970, yet you'll trust them with everything.

I pity poor IBM if they're a day late with the PPC970, you hyenas will tear the flesh from their bones in an instant! 😉
 
All the talk about Moto having a lot of life left as a G4 producer for Apple means nothing if they continue this trend. Of course, I'm still waiting to see if IBM suffers the same fate when the G5 ships.

Dan
 
After seeing the specs on the new chips I was unimpressed. My IBM Thinkpad was slowly dying and the educational discount was just too much.

<Bram>
Pround new owner of a 12" Powerbook, 10GB iPod, and an iSight
 
Lease

This is a little off topic but you guys know of any ways to lease a new powerbook for 6 months until the new G5's come out?
 
Wow, IBM has yet to meet a target date for the PPC970, yet you'll trust them with everything.
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Well at least IBM came up with something that could be called G5, unlike Motorola that not only stalled G4 development, never managed to come up with something for G5.
 
Can someone explain to me why people want dual-chip Powerbooks?

Maybe if Moto or Apple can cut the power consumption and radiant heat by a half...
 
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