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This is good to hear in terms as a developer...

Low Resolution of the phones really have hindered us on doing a lot of cool stuff. We couldn't use small fonts because the resolution made it to hard to read. Being able to get fine print is quite helpful. As well it helps bridge development for phone vs. PC

How exactly do developers cope with the varying resolution screens on such a wide range of Android devices? Do apps just scale to fill the screen? Do fonts scale cleanly in this case?
 
You guys do realize that when they say 720P. They mean that it has 720 vertical pixels. Not 1280 x 720....:rolleyes:

Its prob 720x 480, or around there. Everyone can move along now.....

Presumably you mean vertical lines of pixels. Otherwise you contradicted yourself.
 
Its 720p output over hdmi sadly :/

Now that would make a lot of sense. Primarily because if they have a 720p display in that form factor wouldn't they have been shouting about it BEFORE the iPhone went on sale? Don't get me wrong, i'd love to see all phones at the high end move to high ppi I just don't quite see it happening this quickly.
 
Microsoft just adopted the iPhone 4 facetime standard.

I believe you're mistaken.

What phone (or any other display) already has 326 ppi or higher?

2007 - the well known Toshiba G900 WinMo phone was 313 PPI, becoming the first "laser print quality" phone display... or "retinal" as Jobs would later call it.

2008 - the LG LG-LU1400 TV phone was 333 PPI.

There are many other phones in the 280s to 290s, which is so close that the difference is meaningless in real life.

Are you sure about that? The iPhone 4 has 60% more pixels. Is there a standard formula for "retina distance"?

It's all about the amount of angle that a pixel subtends to your eye. Think of it as looking at a basketball far away or close up. Closer it is, the larger the visual angle that it takes up.

The "standard" formula depends on who and what you're talking about.

Some use an angle (0.6 arc minutes = .01 degree = 1/50th of a full moon) that people with perfect eyesight can make out. The iPhone doesn't meet that one.

Others use a larger angle (1.0 arc minute) for the general population. That's pretty much what Apple used... the laser printer concept of 300 PPI at 12" away.

The upshot is that many phones have nice displays that most people won't see the resolution difference on. Heck, look at all the people here who claim they can't see pixels on the current iPhone (which I can see easily).

Hanging a superiority hat on a phone's display is a bad choice, because it can be knocked off so easily. Especially over the course of a year. They're all nice.
 
I have an AMOLED on my phone, so I don't care if your phone is a higher rez than mine, if it's just a LCD......which looks like blue-ish washed out **** in comparison and sucks way more power. :)

Many AMOLED's aren't ready for prime-time IMHO. Many don't actually have a red-green-blue pixel triad which lowers the effective resolution quite a bit and can give things like text a nasty appearance. The Nexus One for example officially has a 480x854 screen but effectively is 392 x 653. http://www.intomobile.com/2010/03/25/brief-google-nexus-one-screen-resolution-is-actually-392-x-653-not-480-x-800.html That plus the fact that AMOLED's kinda suck outside in the bright light make them less than ideal for a device made to be used outside and currently don't draw all that much less than LCD's wrt to power. I have no doubt OLED is the future but the LCD is far from dead at this point.

Back to the original topic. Why does the droid graphic say 4.3" "Display" and another one say 720p "Screen"? It makes me think they mean 720p over HDMI or something.
 
So basically it's a low res display capable of outputting 720p over HDMI.

Maybe, maybe not, it's not clear yet. If it's real 720 display, that's pretty exciting.

Who wants to hook up a cable to a TV anyway? Media players should be able to read the 720p video wirelessly over WiFi from the cell phone to the HDTV.

"Should be able"? How many teevees (or cheap media player boxes) can stream wireless video?

And I don't think I have ever heard of someone outputting video from an iPod....

Hard to tell if you are serious or kidding. I watch almost all my TV this way.

You guys do realize that when they say 720P. They mean that it has 720 vertical pixels. Not 1280 x 720....:rolleyes:

So you're saying they're lying? How do you know that for sure? 720p is a specific format, it's possible that they are mistaken or intentionally lying but it seems unlikely they are using an industry standard term but using it to "mean" something else.
 
obviously not driving, but even walking around in mall or on vacation somewhere or anywhere


Most malls have wifi. The point I was getting at, you're most likely going to have wifi around if you really want to video chat. I can't see people doing this in public. Its more of a do it at home or in a hotel room kind of thing.
 
What's the ppi on that? I'm sure that pixel density is not the first of it's kind, but it's the first time its used on a mobile device. I was surprised when Steve said that the iPhone screen was going to seethe trend for the next few years. I don't think he meant the dpi, just hi res screens are going to be the next big thin or something because I don't think Jobs is that shortsighted to make sub a wild claim.

About 150dpi. Same as most computer displays. Half of print quality. Nothing special.
 
... info ...

Hanging a superiority hat on a phone's display is a bad choice, because it can be knocked off so easily. Especially over the course of a year. They're all nice.

Isn't it the fact that the display and glass are directly together and that "gap" is eliminated that makes the retina display so nice? It looks like the image is directly on the glass.
 
Maybe, maybe not, it's not clear yet. If it's real 720 display, that's pretty exciting.



"Should be able"? How many teevees (or cheap media player boxes) can stream wireless video?



Hard to tell if you are serious or kidding. I watch almost all my TV this way.



So you're saying they're lying? How do you know that for sure? 720p is a specific format, it's possible that they are mistaken or intentionally lying but it seems unlikely they are using an industry standard term but using it to "mean" something else.


I wasn't kidding, you are the first, there are so many better/easier ways to do this...
 
This would certainly put a dagger in Steve's statement of the iPhone "Setting the standard for the next few years".

Good job Droid!

Both the iPhone 4 and the Droid X using pixel densities in the 300+ ppi range would make it one step closer to becoming a standard. iPhone 4, coming out first would have then set the standard.

Try again.

Edit: Just read above. Looks like some phones had such densities before. The iPhone is the one bringing it mainstream though.
 
I have an AMOLED on my phone, so I don't care if your phone is a higher rez than mine, if it's just a LCD......which looks like blue-ish washed out **** in comparison and sucks way more power. :)

The phone looks great outside too!

nexus-one-outdoors05.jpg


/s
 
Most malls have wifi. The point I was getting at, you're most likely going to have wifi around if you really want to video chat. I can't see people doing this in public. Its more of a do it at home or in a hotel room kind of thing.

Actually, I see video chat being most useful in public. Look at the concert I'm at! Hey, what color shirt should I buy? Do you like this kinda soup or this kind? Also, look for parents to love it. No more BSing about where the kid is. Now they'll be forced to turn on video chat and SHOW Mom and Dad where they are. You can do some serious parenting with cell phones these days!
 
I still don't understand why you would get an android phone if you could get an iphone 4. I know, the att thing, which sucks for some people, but for people that can have att.... it's like windows vs. osx
 
I'm going to get the Droid X and replace it with my Droid Eris. I really love Android and iOS, but until Apple releases an iPhone on Verizon, I'm sticking with Android.
 
It's all about the specs....

What's with phone's having HDMI outputs now-a-days? Seems like such a useless feature to me.

just like the MHZ myth. Apple competitiors are just trying to out spec the iPhone hardware wise. Apple doesn't play that game. They focus on overall experience.

I personally like the iPhone's smaller screen....I don't want to carry around some large piece of hardware as my phone. Since when did the "smaller is better" trend of phones reverse....with the Droid and EVO? Maybe belt-clip-holders will come back into style next!
 
Presumably you mean vertical lines of pixels. Otherwise you contradicted yourself.

Oh whatever, I was writing fast. Point still applies. The screen is not as high res as the iPhone. Done.

I was just annoyed that people were thinking that it meant 1280 x 720 (or whatever they are thinking)
 
The funniest part is going to be watching the Fandroids backpedalling to justify Verizon's blatantly misleading marketing tactics.

Kinda brilliant on their part to use a buzzword like "720p". This is well known HD standard and the word "HD" translates very easily to the general public. Even if it really isn't technically 720p....
 
Oh whatever, I was writing fast. Point still applies. The screen is not as high res as the iPhone. Done.

I was just annoyed that people were thinking that it meant 1280 x 720 (or whatever they are thinking)


When something is stated to be 720p. The 720p means wide screen format so it is 720 lines in the shorter direction. So in the droid case it is really 720x1280 if you are holding the phone in way you are trying to say it is.
Now it is 1280 x 720 in landscape.
 
the difference between iphone and these other phone manufacturers is, that IPHONE, APPLE are innovators...everything that these other phones try to do now, are in relation to the revolution that the iphone created..before the iphone came out,there were no touch screen phones,soon after,everyone tried to do touch screen phones,there wer eno phones who switched screens by just tapping the screen,soon other phones started doing that, no phones with apps,then come the droid etc etc, now iphone reinnovated the smart phoen swag once again, to HD screen resolution, and you have these **** companies who's engineers have no sense of creativity to introduce their own creation, now want to copy the iphones high resolution screen lol..lets be serious here. you can have "better"phones in the future than the iphone,but thats only because they look for the iphone engineers and developers to get ideas, once the next iphone drops. so as long as these phone companies keep playing catch up--iphone will still reign supreme. i don't care if you have a phone with 20.5 mega pixels in a camera, and have 4 hdmi outlets on your phone. no phone can still do what the iphone does. and no phone is more user friendlier than the iphone.

Holy lack of paragraphs batman.

I love the iPhone, but Apple didn't invent everything in these devices. Front facing cameras have been around for a while, so have LED flashes, etc.

Apple excels at making amazing software and hardware, but all of their ideas aren't necessarily original. To say that people just wait for Apple to do stuff then copy them is stupid.
 
Kinda brilliant on their part to use a buzzword like "720p". This is well known HD standard and the word "HD" translates very easily to the general public. Even if it really isn't technically 720p....

It sucks though that people who generally are not techie will get misled by the marketing of this.
 
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