Yeah, plenty more. Unless you need apps, of course. But man, it's awesome that it has bluetooth file transfer!
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Yeah, plenty more. Unless you need apps, of course. But man, it's awesome that it has bluetooth file transfer!
You lost all crediblity when you said a file managment system is wrong. This is a joke.
Yeah, plenty more. Unless you need apps, of course. But man, it's awesome that it has bluetooth file transfer!
I dont need more apps, I have my core apps thats all I need. To be honest oniOS i need apps to do specific functions, where as I dont NEED any related app to do the same function on Honeycomb.
My thoughts exactly.
For all those who want to drink the koolaid and claim that all of that is not important because the ipad doesn't have it, they will see that in a short while all those features will become standard on tablets, because without them a tablet is little more than a toy for entertainment and doesn't have a chance of replacing a computer.
Someday soon, tablets will come in various levels of functionality, so that those who only want to play on them can do so at a cheap price, and those who also want to work on them can actually do so and pay a bit more.
Traditional desktop style file/folder management is a crutch that we continue to rely on despite many attempts towards its elimination.
As usual, as with eliminating "legacy" ports, floppy drives, etc... Apple takes a bold stride in precipitating that future by eliminating features before what they will replace is completely dead.
The file system as we know it should have died 15 years ago with Cairo. I'd like to see something like the vision Microsoft laid out then and then again with WinFS for Vista materialize as the replacement for the traditional file system on tablets.
I frankly don't care where my data is as long as I can get at it when I want it. Spotlight, Windows Search, Smart Folders and Libraries are all glimmers of that, but things need to evolve in that direction. More reliance on metadata sliced a dozen ways instead of file and folder names and dates.
iTunes gave me my first real taste of how this file-system-less (or at least hidden) future might look, and I, for one, like it though it took me a while to give in.
EDIT: Would I like a more feature-ful e-mail client for the iPad? Sure.
Do I need BT transfers? No. I actually prefer the cloud approach (Dropbox/MobileMe) over the "regular" and usually faster network connection.
Flash? Only if it didn't compromise battery life.
For me, the #1 thing missing in the iPad is a true multi-user experience. I'd like to be able to pick up the iPad and be able to see only my email, my books, my playlists, etc... while my wife can see her stuff the way she wants it and the kids can play their stuff without necessarily gaining access to email accounts etc... If there's one thing I want in iOS 5 for the iPad it's that. It's one major difference between the personal smartphone and the more communal tablet.
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It isn't actually necessary. Unless you're stuck thinking it's still 1998.
Get into the post-PC era, please. Apple is. The market is. You should as well.
But, they're not. Android is slightly ahead of Apple in smartphones in the latest month or quarter, whatever it was. That puts Apple at 4% and Android at ~4% of all cellphones. I fail to see the problematic comparison at the moment, or anything to fuel fanboys from either side.
Android has low-end smartphones, but not basic phones. I don't see that as a worry to Apple or me either way.
Or if you actually have some files. I have over 10000 photos and over 100GB of audio, and I'm far from the top dog in numbers. It needs to be filed, man! You are thinking about the first 4 pics that someone takes, and people whose iTunes library doesn't quite fill their 16GB iPhone. Ask again 4 years later, see what those people think.
I think we are in agreement more than you think. I've been arguing that point. I don't see the huge challenge to Apple or the Android "win" here yet.
If Apple sells 4% of total phones and makes 51% of the profit, and Android also sells ~4+% of the total phones and makes less than 49% of the profit. (This assumes that the other 92% of phones make zero profit.) Then you must conclude that selling Android phones is a less profitable venture than selling iPhones.
It also doesn't help that those profits are split among several companies unlike Apple's share.
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Certainly less profitable, but by how much? I think my point is that using these numbers gives Android a smaller share than is really appropriate. If we look at just smartphones, it is Apple 25unit/60cash% and Android 30/30% or something, whereas all phones would be Apple 4/50%, Android 4/15%. (note: some of these are wild guesses) The latter seems unnecessarily skewed to me since it includes products that do not have similar development, cost, or pricing, and then just becomes fodder for stupid arguments.
Since neither of these OSes are doing anything but smartphones, just compare that.
Of course, and the iPad "files" these in a transparent way. Why are people stuck on this belief that we need folders (something from the paper world, by the way) to organize our data? We don't. We do it using behind-the-scenes databases that are invisible to the user. Because the user really shouldn't have to worry about that crap.
I have thousands and thousands of songs in iTunes. Do I need to do anything in the Finder to manage all those files? Nope.
The same people begging for a file management system on the iPad/iPhone are the same ones who begged for a command line option in the GUI environment 20 years ago. 99% of actual users simply don't care.
you don't think that using terms like 'rape' isn't a little emotional and an over-reaction then? 'cause it is.
Possibly one of the silliest comments I've read in a while....
and you only have to check these forums for every 'Apple's '(insert product here'), is the worst thing ever made, to know there are plenty of contenders.
If diluting Apple's share of the profit takes 60%->50% then Android's 30% can't go to 15%. It would have to be at least 25% of total phone sales. More if you assume that some of the low end phones are also Android and profitable.
Concretely: Lets say that smartphone profits are $60B for Apple $30B for "Android" and $10B for RIM/WP7/Other. If the rest of the phone market adds $20B then the total market is $120B and Apple gets 50% ($60B/$120B) and Android gets 25% ($30B/$120B) from your numbers. 15% is ($18B/$120B) so they would have to have somehow lost $12B in profit from the low end phones that were added in.
Your math doesn't work, unless there are a lot of low end Android phones that are sold for a loss. In which case, you're making my point for me.
I need to find that chart that showed profit vs. vendor and platform. It was very instructive.
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So you still stand by all your posts last year that called everyone who had bought the newly released iPhone4 and who were having no problems, 'liars and fools' ..... even though you hadn't even used one ... ?
was that not 'trolling' then?
I didn't call them liars, I said they didn't understand the issue. Does it need re-explaining at this point ?
I wasn't trolling back then, just calling Apple on something wrong they did and tried to sweep under the rug, I do stand by all my posts until contrary evidence is provided that shows I was wrong in an objective and factual manner.
This reminds me, did you apologize for saying MacRumors was trying to hurt Samsung with false allegations? I remember you saying that Samsung wasn't redesigning anything and blah blah and now look where that ended up.
This reminds me, did you apologize for saying MacRumors was trying to hurt Samsung with false allegations? I remember you saying that Samsung wasn't redesigning anything and blah blah and now look where that ended up.
Them not redesigning anything ? Macrumors does this all the time. Post a story about a Apple competitor and then don't post the follow-ups. Engadget is a much better blog to read about things not-Apple. Here it's mostly the negative and rumor mongering.
Yes, I am aware of both models of Tab 10.1, I was even the one who linked some of the stories about it (one model being thinner than the iPad 2, the other being thicker).
Yes, that would be the post. You said it wasn't happening, and then it did!
Here you go:
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If the Xoom ever goes on sale in my country (it's only available in the USA currently, isn't it?) then I'll definitely consider buying one instead of the iPad2 because of the prospect of being able to run Flash on it. I don't care if Flash is slow and unreliable - I simply want the *right* to use it if I want to. But that's another discussion...
I just hope that Motorola don't limit their tablet to the US market forever, like Microsoft did with the Zune. I like choice!
I just hope that Motorola don't limit their tablet to the US market forever, like Microsoft did with the Zune. I like choice!
Proof it did ? They didn't make it thinner in under a week. The thinner model Tab 10.1 showed up like 5 days after the iPad 2 announcement. Samsung very much only rethought pricing and until you have evidence to the contrary, I still stand by my post. Every other news outlet reported the story focusing on the pricing only, Macrumors is the only blog that spun it the way they did.
I'm not going to argue about it all night. This constant harassement against me and trying to label me a troll is getting ridiculous.
So I took a deep breath and believed in your infinite wisdom expecting for some Devine truth to unfold upon seeing post 303 and then I realized you must have issues reading, maybe you have an Android app that speaks the texts back for you? Bc I clearly wrote in my post how easy it is to have a friend over that has an ipad bc everyone has them and NOTHING (look left and read carefully) will convince me he owns both. He's trying to much to be to confusing. Jump off my $&@) and get back on his.
You can call it whatever you want, but tablets do need a file management system and they need connectivity to external devices (lightpeak seems the logical next step in the connectivity evolution).
To me, the photo camera is not such a big deal, but we need a good front camera for video conferencing and a more universal approach so that users can conference with anyone who also has a front camera on a device. The idiocy of being limited to doing it with only particular devices or particular options is ridiculous.
3g/4g and gps needs to become more ubiquitous and affordable so that tablets are true mobile devices. wifi is not good enough, unless we simply create a global cloud instead.
and we need to be able to see all sorts of site content, not just the types apple approves of, and open app purchasing so people have control over what they want to have on their devices- not what the device maker lets them have.
And you should not have to use another computer to service or synch your device.
This is the only one that I do agree with you wholeheartedly. Even though beyond initial setup I don't think I've connected my iPad to my Mac more often than once a month or so. It's a very weak tether.
Most everything else you bring up screams "there goes my power budget" to the hardware designer in me. (I've already stated my opinion on the "need" for a file system/manager).
Connectivity is important, I agree, but most of those practical needs can be met with the existing WiFi/3G connections. Thunderbolt/Lightpeak is a logical step, but it forces you into Intel processors or implementing a PCI express bus in a system that doesn't already have one. If the reports are correct, Thunderbolt was Apple's idea taken through development by Intel. So that gives you an idea of what their thinking process is. I'm anxious to see the next generation of Thunderbolt devices from other vendors, and maybe even Atom devices that provide only Thunderbolt. I suspect they will still not be able to meet the iPad's current form factor and battery life.
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Yeah there's absolutely no way Samsung could have redesigned a product like that in such a short space of time. I think a lot of people don't appreciate just how long it takes to design a product and bring it to market. Samsung would have had the thinner Tab 10.1 under development a long time ago and at a guess it simply wasn't ready to show, or they might have been holding it back as a strategic move against Apple.
Weren't all the thinner Tab units recently shown at CITA only dummy units? I'm sure the only working models on show were the older, thicker versions.