Motorola Xoom will ship without Flash

Discussion in 'iPad' started by rezatayebi, Feb 21, 2011.

  1. rezatayebi macrumors regular

    Apr 5, 2007
    This was posted on Engadget

    "Verizon's webpage dedicated to the Xoom has just gone up and one of our eagle-eyed readers has already spotted a disquieting bit of small print: "Adobe Flash expected Spring 2011." You don't sit around expecting what you already have, so that leads us to conclude that the Xoom, the mighty iPad-slaying, Honeycomb-bringing, world-changing tablet... won't have Flash at launch. The version of Adobe's rich media player it's waiting for is most probably 10.2 for mobile devices, scheduled to arrive in the coming weeks, which should mean first-day buyers this Thursday will get a limited-time premium feature on their tablets: no Flash ads."
  2. Beezy macrumors regular

    Feb 12, 2011
  3. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    I wonder if that's because there's no flash app for honeycomb or if there's another reason.

    Edit: by the way motorola with the droidx has a horrible track record in providing updates, so I'd not really expect it very quickly. Spring for them could mean the end of June
  4. 513 macrumors newbie

    Jan 7, 2011
    That's just because Adobe is making Flash 10.2 hardware accelerated by the GPU in Tegra 2.

    Like they did with the Mac recently.
  5. camelsnot macrumors 6502


    Jan 31, 2011
    sure is... Xoom is gonna kill.
  6. AppleGoddess macrumors 6502a


    Sep 30, 2010
  7. Gryzor macrumors 6502a

    Jun 20, 2010
    Ah hahaha, LMFAO!

    Interesting to see those harping on about how important Flash is and how good Xoom is will now be defending the lack of it :rolleyes:
  8. stev3n macrumors 6502

    Feb 9, 2010
  9. andiwm2003 macrumors 601


    Mar 29, 2004
    Boston, MA
    bad for Adobe if too many people get used to websurfing without flash......

    it also gives the perception that Flash was bad all along and they have trouble to improve it on time.
  10. Tarzanman macrumors 65816

    Jul 16, 2010
    It makes sense that flash probably hasn't been optimized for the new batch of processors.

    Also, Spring 2011 is 10 days away. Assuming Motorola isn't wrong about their promise, then the Xoom will have flash before the iPad2 is introduced.

    At least its getting it. Do you think that Apple will change their mind once they start putting processors in their devices that can handle flash?
  11. Gryzor macrumors 6502a

    Jun 20, 2010
    Flash wasn't always bad. However, it got massively over-used, full sites ended up getting developed in it when the internet was still slow for a lot of people, so people got fed up of it. Then people got fed up of it being proprietary, and so now there is no need for it whatsoever as the HTML spec relies more on agreed central standards. It's a waste of space, and Apple know it.
  12. Stetrain macrumors 68040

    Feb 6, 2009
    Have you guys noticed that over the last two years or so while everyone has been bashing Apple for not including flash even though it works on all these other mobile platforms, that it is still for the most part "coming soon" to those platforms? Or the "good version" is still "coming soon?"

    I know that it's out on some Android phones, I don't know the specifics of the support software/hardware versions and status of GPU acceleration, but it's released and from what I've read it does work, with a neat click-to-flash type option.

    Apple said at the beginning that they were waiting for Adobe to show them a good mobile product. They might eventually get there but it's not like Adobe has had a perfect GPU-accelerated mobile Flash product on all mobile platforms for a year now or anything like that.

    My guess is that 6 months to a year after there's a really sweet running version of Flash for mobile devices (also mobile processing power will have caught up a bit by then), Apple will at least consider adding it in.
  13. Gryzor macrumors 6502a

    Jun 20, 2010
    In 6 months to a year, most sites will move over to HTML5. Flash is now dead in the water.
  14. gibbz macrumors 68030

    May 31, 2007
    Boy, if only I knew why Apple didn't include Flash.:rolleyes: At least they didn't promise it.
  15. kenypowa macrumors 6502a

    Oct 16, 2008
    I don't see the point of this article as everyone can donwload Flash player from the Android Marketplace.
  16. deeddawg macrumors 604

    Jun 14, 2010
    I guess it all depends on what they mean by Spring 2011. :)

    Spring classes started a while ago at most northern hemisphere universities.
    Vernal equinox is 20 March 2011
    2Q11 starts 1 April 2011

    They could also mean Spring 2011 in the Southern Hemisphere, which I believe starts in September. (equinoxe 9/23/11) :D
  17. rdowns, Feb 21, 2011
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2011

    rdowns macrumors Penryn


    Jul 11, 2003
  18. monaarts macrumors 65816

    Jan 16, 2010
    Kennesaw, GA
    LOL Xoom is such a joke. I feel like android tablets are each becoming one of those products that over promise and under deliver. I will keep my iPad because in my experience, Apple has always under promised and exceeded my expectations. For example, my MacBook Air is listed with a battery life of "Up to 7 hours" and I have been getting "Up to 8.5 hours" Literally!

    - Joe
  19. Highcroft macrumors regular

    Sep 9, 2007
    Any Android phone or tablet with 2.2 or above can download Flash, but the Flash in the market is not hardware accelerated. The Xoom's will be specifically tailored for the Tegra 2. So the Xoom will most likely have Flash at launch, but from what I've seen on the Notion Ink and other earlier Tegra 2 tablets, it will probably be jittery.
  20. monaarts macrumors 65816

    Jan 16, 2010
    Kennesaw, GA
    Of course it will be jittery! Thats exactly what Flash is. I was using Flash on my Macbook last night and got the "Flash has stopped responding" error. That is the ONLY app I ever get an error with on a regular basis! :p

    - Joe
  21. davidcmc, Feb 21, 2011
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2011

    davidcmc macrumors 6502

    Nov 5, 2009
    That's true, but don't forget that it's only problematic in OS X.
    Flash runs smooth and flawlessly in Windows 7.

    Should we blame Adobe or Apple for the problems only happening in OS X? :)
  22. newdeal macrumors 68020

    Oct 21, 2009

    flash 10.2 works pretty well on my macbook. Uses a bit more power in video than html5 but not by much
  23. Dorkington macrumors 6502a

    Apr 5, 2010
    With or without Flash, Honeycomb is currently more capable than iOS.

    Doesn't necessarily mean its better, obviously, since that depends on the individual's needs/wants. But to dismiss the Xoom/Honeycomb simply because Adobe develops slowly is a bit of a jump.
  24. BaBaBoooooooey macrumors regular


    Apr 19, 2010
    HAHAHAHAH good luck Xoom!
    nothing like ALREADY disappointing everyone.
    have we even heard what the battery life is on these gems?
  25. Dorkington macrumors 6502a

    Apr 5, 2010
    Maybe I missed something, but whats with the "cheering" and "insults" towards competing products?

    I love my iPhone, iPad, etc... but I *want* good products from other companies on the market as well. Otherwise Apple won't innovate or improve at a very fast rate themselves.

    Competition is good, people. You're better than this.

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