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That doesn’t really mean anything. The law is now, and the law deems apple and others unlawful. You may not like it, Apple may not like it. That’s very much besides the point. We all - for the most part - live under a rule of law.
Yes, we live under some rule of law. What’s done is done. People cheer that it was done and people are against government overreach. All good opinions. Doesn’t mean we have to like all things that government does.
 
Ok - but why do we also silo out iOS and forget about macOS?

The same Apple has a desktop OS that is filled with consumer choice and it's not some insecure wasteland of theft, piracy, scamming and the like

Why do we always talk about iOS as if macOS doesn't exist and work wonderfully for millions of consumers?
Probably because macOS isn’t important anymore considering the hardware entry price.
 
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Honestly if I was Apple I would have just left the EU market. Just shows government should stay out of business and have no idea how technology works lmao. I love this troll what Apple did.
Well, with how things are going the EU may force Apple out.

Do you think they are just going to say,

"Hah Apple, you sure got us, we should have expected that you will get the better of us"
 
I’ve never bothered ton install a third party browser on any apple product, but this cheap moves make apple look really bad. Comply with the ****ing rule and stop pissing off developers!!!
 
They were forced into a corner; don’t you see? Whatever they are doing they are doing the right thing based on these regulations.

As I said in another thread, could be good for other phone manufacturers.
They were forced to be more open, that's a bad thing?
 
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Well this one is easy. Apple gives up the multi billion $$$ Google payment if everyone dumps Safari.
And it also allows for browsers that don't refuse to play YouTube in the background (which gets people to pay for premium).

I'm sure Apple received some kind of incentive to have that function removed from all the iOS browsers.
 
They were forced to be more open, that's a bad thing?
I think EU consumers are going to find out rather quickly that the "open" part doesn't have much to do with competition or pricing. If it did, then mobile platform software would never have been cheaper than desktop/laptop or consoles.

The EU spent a lot of time talking about competition but never bothered to provide the actual pricing comparisons between all the various platforms. There's a reason for that. It wouldn't have supported their claims.
 
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I think EU consumers are going to find out rather quickly that the "open" part doesn't have much to do with competition or pricing. If it did, then mobile platform software would never have been cheaper than desktop/laptop or consoles.

The EU spent a lot of time talking about competition but never bothered to provide the actual pricing comparisons between all the various platforms. There's a reason for that. It wouldn't have supported their claims.
This has nothing to do with anything. Pricing?

The EU want so called gatekeepers to open up their stranglehold on their platforms; software, appstores, hardware, in order to allow more competition ‘past the gates’ and allow said competition to flourish.
 
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Consequences and repercussions. EU should have kept their beak out.
Oh, there are going to be consequences to this but I think you have misunderstood the power dynamic if you think Apple is going to come out on top of the EU. I still find it strange that people will side with a huge corporation against an entity that’s trying to give them back some options. Nobody’s forcing you to use alternative browsers. Apple is forcing you to use theirs.
 
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Mozilla already has a Webkit version of Firefox for iPad. They don't have to do anything new. And they were already willing to support the native version and Webkit version for Apple products. They're yelling/screaming about nothing.
You sound like one of my former non-technical bosses trying to tell me that making changes to software systems was as easy as his saying what he wanted.
 
Oh, there are going to be consequences to this but I think you have misunderstood the power dynamic if you think Apple is going to come out on top of the EU. I still find it strange that people will side with a huge corporation against an entity that’s trying to give them back some options. Nobody’s forcing you to use alternative browsers. Apple is forcing you to use theirs.
I find it strange that people root for governments. Now if the eu keeps putting pressure they may lose American tech. Don’t care you say. Then you’re banished from google…use yahoo.
 
Oh, there are going to be consequences to this but I think you have misunderstood the power dynamic if you think Apple is going to come out on top of the EU. I still find it strange that people will side with a huge corporation against an entity that’s trying to give them back some options. Nobody’s forcing you to use alternative browsers. Apple is forcing you to use theirs.

I have no allegiance to Apple. These days there’s barely a cigarette paper between them and the likes of Google or Microsoft. But I also have a major distaste for government overreach because sooner or later they will come after something that’s actually important that you and I would rather they didn’t.

For all Apple’s faults, and there are many, they aren’t forcing anyone to do anything. Consumers and developers have always had the choice to take their business elsewhere 👍
 
What a mess. Capitalism demands even content we view on devices and via internet access we already pay too much for be contaminated with even more money-grabbing garbage.... and yet so many forum lizards jump to its defence soon as someone as much as points out what a racket it all truly is.

Talk about turkeys voting for their favourite stuffing 🤷‍♂️
 
Seems to me it would be Firefox's CHOICE to CONTINUE to maintain two code bases; else, they could just maintain the status quo (again, they're ALREADY maintaining two code bases) AND take the benefit of EU customers being allowed EASILY to choose alternate browsers 🤷‍♂️

... and as has been pointed out before, iOS users have been able to choose their default browser since iOS 14.
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So move out of the EU if you dont like the law. That is the level of logic you are using so leave and move to a different country. I hear Russia and China are great this time of year.

I don’t understand how this kind of speech is allowed on these forums but me criticizing the EU gets the comments taken down?

Ok.
 
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I don’t understand how this kind of speech is allowed on these forums but me criticizing the EU gets the comments taken down?

Ok.

Because it is show the level of the argument of just go buy an Android. It is saying it is at the same level of argument.


Personal I would fully support the mods banning the argument go buy an android as it is the same level of ********.
 
I have no allegiance to Apple. These days there’s barely a cigarette paper between them and the likes of Google or Microsoft. But I also have a major distaste for government overreach because sooner or later they will come after something that’s actually important that you and I would rather they didn’t.

For all Apple’s faults, and there are many, they aren’t forcing anyone to do anything. Consumers and developers have always had the choice to take their business elsewhere 👍
Right, there is so much choice in the mobile OS space. You can choose between all of 2 options, so let’s just let them do whatever they want. Apple and Google have enormous power over consumers and you have no problem with that overreach. Why is that power different and better than the power of elected officials?
 
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