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I love the new Firefox. The fact that Safari has no popup whitelist keeps me from using it. Plus I love how customizable Firefox is. Tweeking the settings in About:config can really make it fly!
 
Originally Posted by tuffluffjimmy
It's still firefox in all of its bad font glory

I don't get this comment. The fonts look nearly identical between Safari 3.1 and Firefox3 here. Admittedly, I'm using a CRT on this PowerMac so if it's some kind of soft-focus thingy that your LCD requires to look proper, I guess that might explain it. Otherwise, I have no clue what you're talking about. Why don't you post a picture with side-by-side little snaps of Safari/FF3 comparative font captures to illustrate what you're talking about?

Here you go, Safari left, Firefox right. I don't know about you but I can see the difference clearly, even with this JPG compression
 

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Guys this is gonna sound really stupid, so please have some mercy on me lol. I just installed Firefox 3 and now when I click anywhere on the screen and even slightly move my finger on the trackpad the whole window moves. Like if I want to highlight a part of a URL I can't because the whole window moves around the screen. If anyone knows how to fix this please tell me.
 
Bug in FF3

FireFox 3 has the extremely annoying habit of launching in fullscreen mode for me, no matter what size I set its window to when I last quit the app. This is so incredibly annoying, that I have to resize FireFox’s window to fit around my IM windows EACH FREAKING TIME I LAUNCH FIREFOX! I’ve gone back to Safari, and I’m not going to bother with Firefox until they get that fixed.
 
Flash

I noticed that flash videos work soooo much better in FF3.
My MBP no longer heats up to 176F when streaming websites. It actually stays at the normal temp.
 
I'm a fan of Firefox 3. I downloaded it yesterday - much snappier than FF2 was, and more stable than the beta I used. That said, I do have some niggles with it:
  1. It doesn't work with one of my favorite add-ons: Bookmark Sync and Sort. The sort functionality isn't needed anymore, as FF3 has this built-in, but I do miss my cross-platform bookmark syncing.
  2. The font rendering is different, for no real reason that I can see. Not that I don't like the new way, it just took some getting used to.
This post made with FF3 :D
 
Sorry, but I had to stop reading your message right there. What in the world does the shape of the buttons have to do with ANYTHING? Apple decides what your life looks like, I take it??? If the default theme doesn't look IDENTICAL to Safari (i.e. copy-cat and possibly copyright violations) it's no good? That's the #1 thing on your list, dude. Geeze. I have to conclude WHO CARES. I won't even bother reading the rest. There's a link in one of my posts above to convert FF3 into Safari's twin if you want, but some of us don't think it SHOULD be its twin because we didn't think Safari was all that and a bag of chips to begin with.
I don't actually use safari, it's slow. I use camino. My point is that firefox is making absolutely no attempt to fit in.

I'm a software developer, I put a lot of effort into my UI. Firefox comes along with a truckload of hype and a crap UI and everybody treats it like it was designed by god. Yet it betrays many values that the mac platform has and leaves proper developers thinking "why bother?".

(Oh and sorry about starting the list with the round rect buttons, that's just the first thing I saw when I started it.).
 
I don't actually use safari, it's slow. I use camino. My point is that firefox is making absolutely no attempt to fit in.

I'm a software developer, I put a lot of effort into my UI. Firefox comes along with a truckload of hype and a crap UI and everybody treats it like it was designed by god. Yet it betrays many values that the mac platform has and leaves proper developers thinking "why bother?".

(Oh and sorry about starting the list with the round rect buttons, that's just the first thing I saw when I started it.).

Could be argued that the FF guys are making strides in the UI. The most commonly used button in browser is probably the 'back' button. It makes complete sense to make that button a little larger and easier to click. Just because Apple set down a UI guidelines document doesn't mean they are always right or not behind the times.
 
I noticed the following

now this is using a PC

- Some pages no longer display full width correctly, the same with cells that used to have a width of 100%

- Also for some reason the browser just freezes for 20seconds at a time
 
Well, I havee to disagree on that. On my iMac 24" and on my MBP 15" Firefox runs much faster than Safari. With that I mean that the websites are downloaded and displayed in shorter time. I cannot quantify how much, but the subjective feeling is on twice as fast. On the other hand Firefox 2 showed nearly such a speed. Nevertheless I stick to Safari. This time I am giving FF3 a chance.

MUCH faster ? What are the sites you're going to ? Let me check it myself, I see absolutely no difference.
 
Meh, whatever floats your boat. I prefer Safari. Works fine for me, don't have to install it when I do clean installs of Mac OS X. Don't really need add-ons or anything and can tell when I'm getting phished. As for speed, I don't know how it compares w/ FF, and I don't really care. If you like FF, use that. If you like Safari, use that. If it's some weird thing w/ half naked women all over the place, where can I get some?
 
I don't actually use safari, it's slow. I use camino. My point is that firefox is making absolutely no attempt to fit in.

I'm a software developer, I put a lot of effort into my UI. Firefox comes along with a truckload of hype and a crap UI and everybody treats it like it was designed by god. Yet it betrays many values that the mac platform has and leaves proper developers thinking "why bother?".

(Oh and sorry about starting the list with the round rect buttons, that's just the first thing I saw when I started it.).

first you can't ignore the numerous change to "fit it"

second you need to realize there is much more to a browser than UI, consider the developing schedule and the thing they already done. You want a pretty kit that doesn't do much? fine. nobody ask you to switch, just try to be fair.

why bother? please say it loud to safari for windows. thats absolutely 100% no effort to "fit it"
 
A little bit disingenuous for Mozilla to suggest that Firefox was “created to promote openness, innovation and opportunity” on the Web and Safari wasn't.

Both browsers share that similar goal. Considering Webkit (the engine behind Safari) has been a good deal more innovative than Mozilla recently in bleeding edge standards support (offline databases, HTML 5, CSS 3 etc.) and Javascript performance it should also get a tick.

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And before people rush to tell me that Apple has misrepresented facts in the past in adverts as well. I already know, but that is irrelevant, the discussion is about Mozilla, not Apple.
Yeah, that sense of moral superiority they try to project has always been one of the things that bugged me about FireFox and Mozilla. That and the typical open-source "uglies" problem are the two main detractions, and it seems like they have both survived to this version.

I also am really kind of ticked at this stupid "worlds record" stunt, and am purposely waiting until it's over before downloading the thing. There's nothing particularly wrong with it, but personally I just find it childish and gimicky.

I prefer Safari because it's a simpler, cleaner design. the standard answer to any FireFox problem encountered is always the great configurability of the thing and the add-ons that will "do almost anything." In practice however, the only add-ons that I have ever found useful are the ad-blocking and the themes that make it look less ugly. Also, I don't particularly *want* to "maintain" my browser by downloading and constantly updating a bunch of add-ons that really bring little to the table overall.

Ever since Safari got ad-blocking, I just don't see any reason to switch.
 
Firefox 3 and IWEB

I installed Firefox3 on my work PC and my website that I made with IWEB is having a problem. The picture albums no longer will appear on my webpage. The text comes up, but no pictures. It was working fine with Firefox2. I haven't updated my mac's firefox yet so I don't know if it will have the same problem. Anyone else having the same problem? If so, any solutions?
 
Yeah, that sense of moral superiority they try to project has always been one of the things that bugged me about FireFox and Mozilla. That and the typical open-source "uglies" problem are the two main detractions, and it seems like they have both survived to this version.

I also am really kind of ticked at this stupid "worlds record" stunt, and am purposely waiting until it's over before downloading the thing. There's nothing particularly wrong with it, but personally I just find it childish and gimicky.

I prefer Safari because it's a simpler, cleaner design. the standard answer to any FireFox problem encountered is always the great configurability of the thing and the add-ons that will "do almost anything." In practice however, the only add-ons that I have ever found useful are the ad-blocking and the themes that make it look less ugly. Also, I don't particularly *want* to "maintain" my browser by downloading and constantly updating a bunch of add-ons that really bring little to the table overall.

Ever since Safari got ad-blocking, I just don't see any reason to switch.

its better to reserve big statement until you try it thoroughly and fairly with an open mind.

For the pic you quoted. I guess the original author has trouble understand "CREATED TO PROMOTE" web standard. was safari created to promote web standard? I think not.
 
Zzzzzzzzz, Mac has Safari, iPhone has Safari, iPod has Safari, PC has Safari, I do not need another browser and different ways to do the same. One browser to rule them all even if it may not be as good as some others. Safari does the job very well.

For those highlighting the security features ..... The only way to make a browser secured is to remove it from the system. By its very nature, it is a vulnerability waiting to happen regardless of who wrote it.

The problem with partial security is that it gives people a false sense of security and is likely to cause users to let their guard down. Attacks that a user would have avoided, may now be triggered because the user lowered its guard.
 
I do have some niggles with it:
  1. It doesn't work with one of my favorite add-ons: Bookmark Sync and Sort. The sort functionality isn't needed anymore, as FF3 has this built-in, but I do miss my cross-platform bookmark syncing.


  1. I use Foxmarks on FF3 perfectly well on both OSX and Windows XP. If you want to perform cross platform bookmark syncing I would suggest you use Foxmarks.

    Personally, I like the new Firefox and I have preferred it over Safari because of the Add-on functionality and ability to sync (via add-ons) bookmarks and functionality between the Windows and OSX worlds.
 
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