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I only use for playback. Trying hard to get used to the UI. It helped to create Favorites. Just wish the first screen would be my favorites like with Infuse. The big problem is with the remote as you say. The only problem with Infuse is the 10-15 second delay to start streaming. I am testing with three apps and not one has got the complete package. Maybe after a few more releases for each will see one that works great.

UI and remote go together for smooth and simple experience. With Kodi (on Nvidia Shield), I can launch the Favorite menu from anywhere, using keyboard shortcut programmed in my universal remote. So I rarely need to go back to Kodi home screen. Jumping from movie playback to any add-on is quick


Without keyboard support on tvOS, it take a lot effort and clicks to navigate to where you want. So even if touch remote work, it is still an hassle without UI changes
 
Magnus, who said I gave up on it? And I'm not one that has claimed to want a refund.

I know; I was talking to Norman there. What I can tell you is that the author of this fork of Kodi (Davilla) is responsible for more OS X and AppleTV support than anyone I can think of. From what I've read he will be adding new features to MrMC that Kodi could have used for a long time (e.g. video tagging support) and hopefully that will find its way back to Kodi as well.

Given the average person out there seems happy with Plex (transcoding galore), I'm hard pressed to find a better media center replacement for Apple TV at this stage that can stand on its own without a second computer server. Infuse 4 looks promising, but Kodi for me has a lot of flexibility in adjusting how the movie database is presented in terms of appearance, scrolling descriptions, collections, etc. Hopefully the back porting will make both products better in the long run.

with any reliability. But since I am a paying customer I'll feel very damned free to register my issues with its shortcomings.

Go right ahead. I'm not stopping you. I just found some of Norman's comments a bit absurd, especially about the GUI OSD. He isn't just upset. He thinks it's 1990s looking (odd thing to say IMO given I don't recall any large scale media centers in the 1990s and DVD players didn't have that kind of OSD either) and 'wants a refund' (as if $5.99 was too much to ask for something that makes a $150-200 box actually usable for many people that it would not otherwise really be given the limitations Apple has consistently placed on what media it allows to play (and doesn't encourage you to add your own at all) rather than see if it gets fixed.

Frankly, based on the response he knew what he was getting into (apparently having Kodi elsewhere) and despite knowing it had Python removed and other things, bought it anyway and then whined about the interface he KNEW THAT IT HAD. But even though I have XBMC Eden on two devices and one netbook and Kodi Isengard on two more devices and two more computers and Kodi 16 Jarvis beta 3 on my Mac server, I'm apparently unfamiliar with the GUI and so I should not comment on the GUI or Kodi behaviors that they have in common. :rolleyes:

He doesn't own ATV with MrMc nor Nvidia Shield with Kodi. He just own two Amazon sticks that does not support Kodi officially.

I own THREE Apple TVs (two with XBMC and one with Kodi) so I'm quite familiar with Apple's basic GUI and Kodi's GUI and MrMC isn't that different (yet).

I don't know WTF you're even bringing up the Nvidia Shield for. Where did that even come from? I've never mentioned it and I've never talked about it. The Nvidia Shield has no Amazon player support so what good is it to me in terms of doing something new for me (unless I wanted it to game which I do not)? The same is also still true of the Apple TV Four for that matter.

if he is happy with his amazon sticks, performance and UI are not his priority.

You do seem to enjoy putting words in people's mouths, I'll give you that. Where did I say I was "happy" anywhere in this thread??? I got FireTV Sticks because they are more than adequate for both playing my own 480p,720p,1080p based library AND Amazon Video (seeing I'm a Prime member i would like to be able to watch shows like The Man in the High Castle on my televisions without having to resort to mirroring my computer over Airplay). So Kodi is no longer "officially" supported. WTF does THAT have to do with anything? Sideloading a FireTV with adbFire is little different than installing a DMG off the net for OS X or a package for Linux. It's 100% the real deal. Now Kodi for ARM may have a few glitches compared to Windows, but it's still being actively developed. I recently put Kodi Jarvis beta 3 on my Mac and it fixed the visualizer issue Isengard had and now supports proper detection of 7.1 and 6.1 DTS soundtracks and decoding them both to PCM over HDMI. Not bad for a few months since the final Isengard update came out.

More importantly, exactly what UI or performance issue am I supposed to be having? It handles 1080p with total aplomb and can even transcode DTS/DTS-HD MA to Dolby Digital in real time while 1080p is playing. So what performance issue am I having??? Your new Apple TV doesn't do 4k so that cannot be the performance issue you're referring to so WTF are you talking about? If I wanted 4k, I would have gotten a different device. 4K projectors are prohibitively expensive right now and I'm sitting near the edge of full 1080p resolving as it is relative to my 93" screen size. Given FireTV sticks could be had as little as $25 a couple of weeks ago on sale, I had little to lose to try them out. It does no preclude me buying an AppleTV 4 or even your NVidia Shield should the software support improve on them (I do have more rooms like my exercise room I could put the FireTVs into should I replace it. I also have prior generation AppleTVs in both my viewing rooms as well (The Netflix viewer is definitely better on AppleTV right now than FireTV due to some issue that arose in the last Neflix update).

Thus, I'm under the distinct impression at this point you either are trolling or have no idea about any of these devices. I've also more than noticed you never addressed a single point raised but keep on telling me how little I know and how I should just shut up without raising a single response and to me that type of behavior is definitely pushing me towards the latter conclusion.
 
Let me correct that, it will provide keyboard support for the onscreen keyboard, but not the Logitech Create keyboard.

Did you try one of the Kodi iOS remote apps on the Apple App store? I'm pretty sure I read on the other forums that they work fine with MrMc (seeing it's based on Kodi). Yes here (http://mrmc.tv/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67). It certainly works a treat here on every version of Kodi I have and I like at least as well as the older versions of Remote that look like the old iOS music interface (before everything is being redesigned to be flat and support Apple Music with clutter).
 
@normanfox

So you are ok with the UI on nvidia shield it for some reason when it's on ATV it is suddenly bad !?!

Remote issue MrMC needs to fix. But Siri remote doesn't work so perfect on infuse either - skip ahead and back are hit and miss and I dislike the the touch scrubbing on new ATV4 - it's nice eye candy but novelty wears off ?


Infuse streams all of my movies from my NAS (Synology and Qnap) using SMB smoothly. your issue might be specific to your network setup.
What about your posts in the infuse thread complaining about your ant man and other movies pausing? Maybe they fixed in 4.01 just released but you had your share if issues with infuse so I don't understand the hate for MrMC.
 
Thanks for the suggestion! It works just fine after making some adjustments in MrMC. I never even thought about ding that way, much better than using the Apple Remote app once you're in MrMC.
 
Frankly, based on the response he knew what he was getting into (apparently having Kodi elsewhere) and despite knowing it had Python removed and other things, bought it anyway and then whined about the interface he KNEW THAT IT HAD. :rolleyes:

I knew Pyphon removed, and i never complained about that. what I did not know was that the touch remote does not work. I did not know about the detail of the UI and how it would change and work. all I got was three screenshots from the developer. I assume that it would be consistent with apple platform, like other apps such as netflix and youtube. did you actually read my post?

I own THREE Apple TVs (two with XBMC and one with Kodi) so I'm quite familiar with Apple's basic GUI and Kodi's GUI and MrMC isn't that different (yet).

I don't know WTF you're even bringing up the Nvidia Shield for. Where did that even come from? I've never mentioned it and I've never talked about it. The Nvidia Shield has no Amazon player support so what good is it to me in terms of doing something new for me (unless I wanted it to game which I do not)? The same is also still true of the Apple TV Four for that matter.
ATV 2 or 3 is different from ATV 4: big difference. Claiming that you own old ATV does not mean you know detail about about ATV 4 until you actually own and use it.

You do seem to enjoy putting words in people's mouths, I'll give you that. Where did I say I was "happy"
again you need to read carefully. I said "if he is happy...". I put "if" in bold for you.

More importantly, exactly what UI or performance issue am I supposed to be having? It handles 1080p with total aplomb and can even transcode DTS/DTS-HD MA to Dolby Digital in real time while 1080p is playing. So what performance issue am I having??? Your new Apple TV doesn't do 4k so that cannot be the performance issue you're referring to so WTF are you talking about? ....

Thus, I'm under the distinct impression at this point you either are trolling or have no idea about any of these devices. I've also more than noticed you never addressed a single point raised but keep on telling me how little I know and how I should just shut up without raising a single response and to me that type of behavior is definitely pushing me towards the latter conclusion.

Amazon stick is not even in the same league as ATV in term of hardware. if that is what you own, then your experience is limited to just that. not just streaming but casual gaming, app switching, etc.

all you do is cursing, and YOU DON'T OWN ATV 4 nor MrMc. I own ATV 4. yes, you don't know what you talking about.
 
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@normanfox

So you are ok with the UI on nvidia shield it for some reason when it's on ATV it is suddenly bad !?!

Remote issue MrMC needs to fix. But Siri remote doesn't work so perfect on infuse either - skip ahead and back are hit and miss and I dislike the the touch scrubbing on new ATV4 - it's nice eye candy but novelty wears off ?

Kodi on nvidia shield is VERY different from MrMc on ATV. let me list you a couple differences: full keyboard support which makes navigation quick and easy and fully customizable (keyboard.xml, favoriate.xml).

Kodi UI is good when you have keyboard support and customization. missing these two (plus touch remote), it is not the same.

What about your posts in the infuse thread complaining about your ant man and other movies pausing? Maybe they fixed in 4.01 just released but you had your share if issues with infuse so I don't understand the hate for MrMC.

I don't hate MrMc. MagnusVonMagnum made it sound like I personally hate it. if they improve UI and touch remote support, I will buy it again. no app is perfect. Infuse playback is not as solid as MrMc, which I posted under Infuse thread. I tried both app. it is good to have competition.

I don't defend any app or devices. I just compare pros and cons between app/devices so that others can be informed and developer to improve it.
 
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Until Infuse can playback video files without stutter, it isn't even worth considering. Give me an app with shoddy controller support and a questionable UI that actually does the job of playing videos properly, any day.
 
again you need to read carefully. I said "if he is happy...". I put "if" in bold for you.

Yeah, that excuses it. :rolleyes:

Amazon stick is not even in the same league as ATV in term of hardware. if that is what you own, then your experience is limited to just that. not just streaming but casual gaming, app switching, etc.

And NONE of that has ANYTHING to do with running Kodi on it! I'm not talking about playing Rayman on my FireTV for god's sake.... (face palm). It runs Kodi just fine. What exactly is your magical ATV4 going to do with Kodi that I cannot do on my FireTV, even if you had the full version? It still won't run 4K. In other words, bringing up IRRELEVANT capabilities is what is known as a a straw man argument and it shows that you are either desperate to defend your irrational claims or trolling. If you don't care what I think then stop responding, but don't insult people's intelligence by claiming to make an argument where none existed in the first place.

As for your "keyboard" requirements, you COULD have tried one of the Kodi Remote Apps for iOS or other platforms. They DO ALREADY WORK with MrMC and give you your "keyboard" support among other things. I have two different ones here. They are both nice and make navigation a breeze (not that a remote is that bad with an organized library).

all you do is cursing, and YOU DON'T OWN ATV 4 nor MrMc. I own ATV 4. yes, you don't know what you talking about.

Stop telling me what I do and do not know. You're not god and you cannot make a simple retort about any claim you've made without either claiming my hardware sucks so I lose or I don't personally own an ATV4 therefore I couldn't possibly have any idea what the new Apple TVs or Kodi or MrMC (as if experience driving a car requires owning a car). I know it never even occurred to you before you started screaming at me that I might know someone that has one, even in my own extended family at that. Yes, let's assume everything and claim victory and all encompassing knowledge of the Universe while we're at it.

Kodi and MrMC look SO different!
CompareKodiMrMC.png


They are clearly NOTHING alike!
 
Until Infuse can playback video files without stutter, it isn't even worth considering. Give me an app with shoddy controller support and a questionable UI that actually does the job of playing videos properly, any day.
Agreed
 
Kodi on nvidia shield is VERY different from MrMc on ATV. let me list you a couple differences: full keyboard support which makes navigation quick and easy and fully customizable (keyboard.xml, favoriate.xml).

Kodi UI is good when you have keyboard support and customization. missing these two (plus touch remote), it is not the same.



I don't hate MrMc. MagnusVonMagnum made it sound like I personally hate it. if they improve UI and touch remote support, I will buy it again. no app is perfect. Infuse playback is not as solid as MrMc, which I posted under Infuse thread. I tried both app. it is good to have competition.

I don't defend any app or devices. I just compare pros and cons between app/devices so that others can be informed and developer to improve it.


Davilla was a major dev/contributor of XBMC/Kodi, and he also laid the groundwork for XBMC Android ports (like Nvidia Shield that you use today) He ported XBMC to IOS (ARM), which then followed a port to Android. I am pretty sure he knows his stuff </s> and any problems in MrMC right now are either because of simple bugs and things overlooked and not found in testing, or because of limitations and policies of AppleTV. One would think he would have thrown in every feature other Kodi devices have (eg. skins, add ons) if he was not restricted by Apple's app store rules?

Also the remote that AppleTV 4 has is unlike anything else so there are some quirks with it in trying to translate old UI designs and control into the new remote - media players are not the only problem and lots of other apps and game devs struggle with it.
 
Yeah, that excuses it. :rolleyes:



And NONE of that has ANYTHING to do with running Kodi on it! I'm not talking about playing Rayman on my FireTV for god's sake.... (face palm). It runs Kodi just fine. What exactly is your magical ATV4 going to do with Kodi that I cannot do on my FireTV, even if you had the full version? It still won't run 4K. In other words, bringing up IRRELEVANT capabilities is what is known as a a straw man argument and it shows that you are either desperate to defend your irrational claims or trolling. If you don't care what I think then stop responding, but don't insult people's intelligence by claiming to make an argument where none existed in the first place.

Let keep this civilized before the mod join in.

Since we are debating UI user experience and performance that can affect the experience, both platform (tvOS) and hardware that Kodi runs on do matter. my point was if you are ok with Kodi's performance on amazon sticks (since you bought them), then your expectation is not as high as others. I personally would not use Kodi on amazon stick but I respect others who use it. My expectation is not the same as yours.

As for your "keyboard" requirements, you COULD have tried one of the Kodi Remote Apps for iOS or other platforms. They DO ALREADY WORK with MrMC and give you your "keyboard" support among other things. I have two different ones here. They are both nice and make navigation a breeze (not that a remote is that bad with an organized library).
again about the high expectation, I have a URC-880 universal remote ($400) that integrate and control all devices, including keyboard, Nvidia shield, ATV, Receiver. I use only this remote, with exception of Siri remote, to control all. Remote app can't be integrated and programmed into my universal remote.

IR remote is very important in any home theater. that is why all serious streaming devices support IR commands.

Stop telling me what I do and do not know. You're not god and you cannot make a simple retort about any claim you've made without either claiming my hardware sucks so I lose or I don't personally own an ATV4 therefore I couldn't possibly have any idea what the new Apple TVs or Kodi or MrMC (as if experience driving a car requires owning a car). I know it never even occurred to you before you started screaming at me that I might know someone that has one, even in my own extended family at that. Yes, let's assume everything and claim victory and all encompassing knowledge of the Universe while we're at it.

I respect your opinions but you first responded to my post with cursing. and the fact that you don't actually own ATV 4. that discredit your fact/claims.
 
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Davilla was a major dev/contributor of XBMC/Kodi, and he also laid the groundwork for XBMC Android ports (like Nvidia Shield that you use today) He ported XBMC to IOS (ARM), which then followed a port to Android. I am pretty sure he knows his stuff </s> and any problems in MrMC right now are either because of simple bugs and things overlooked and not found in testing, or because of limitations and policies of AppleTV. One would think he would have thrown in every feature other Kodi devices have (eg. skins, add ons) if he was not restricted by Apple's app store rules?

Also the remote that AppleTV 4 has is unlike anything else so there are some quirks with it in trying to translate old UI designs and control into the new remote - media players are not the only problem and lots of other apps and game devs struggle with it.

can't agree more.
 
Until Infuse can playback video files without stutter, it isn't even worth considering. Give me an app with shoddy controller support and a questionable UI that actually does the job of playing videos properly, any day.

Infuse would be perfect if its playback performance is improved. MrMc would be perfect if its UI/control is improved.
 
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That is fair but irksome controls annoy me for a few seconds until I get my movie playing. Jerky playback means that I can't watch a film, period. At this point it is about compromise and actually being able to watch a film is my ultimate goal.
 
That is fair but irksome controls annoy me for a few seconds until I get my movie playing. Jerky playback means that I can't watch a film, period. At this point it is about compromise and actually being able to watch a film is my ultimate goal.


I agree that if I ever experience stuttering and/or 15-second slow starting for many movies, I would seriously consider other app.

Fortunately, I did not personally experience any stuttering. it is just slow to play for 10-second Rew/FF (3 to 6 seconds), and a couple movies are stuck during playback, that strangely happened to only one of my ATV. Other than that, most of my movies play fine.
 
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Does surround sound work correctly on this app? If so I am ordering a new Apple TV tonight. Been wanting one as has my wife, this would make it a no-brainer. By by Kodi box/Apple TV combo and hello to a single box.
 
Does surround sound work correctly on this app? If so I am ordering a new Apple TV tonight. Been wanting one as has my wife, this would make it a no-brainer. By by Kodi box/Apple TV combo and hello to a single box.

For me it's working fine:

- Onkyo TX-NR636 receiver
- ATV set to dolby surround (gives me passthru when using Netflix). Audio format on ATV to auto.
- MrMC with passthru on gives me Dolby or DTS bitstreaming to my receiver
- MrMC decodes TrueHD or DTS MA and sends 7.1 (?) PCM to my receiver. Bitstreaming of HD formats might come, Davilla claims it's possible
- All files stores on a QNAP NAS (via SMB)
- Missing subtitles can be downloaded from OpenSubtitle.org within MrcMC

Playback is always smooth, no hiccups. My only issue so far is ffwd or rewind when playing (high bitrate) 1080p MKVs incl. TrueHD. MrMC has problems seeking. Maybe it's a CPU load issue. AFAIK, Apple doesn't expose HW decode to apps, so all the decoding is done in SW on the dual-core CPU. Still impressive though (hail ARMv8, hail their NEON instruction set).

I hate the in my face UI of Infuse and e.g. Nastify. Specially the meta data retrieval of Infuse is a hit or miss.

I have used XBMC/Kodi on HTPCs and Android for years, so I'm used to the barebone UI. I don't need fancy album art, just allow me browse through folders and support known container and video/audio formats.
 
loekf,
Thanks for the info on audio support. At the moment I use Playon and it doesn't seem to support anything but stereo. Thankfully my Denon AVR's PLIIx Cinema setting does a great job of faking 5.1!! :)
 
Can someone verify whether or not the new Apple TV is capable of 44.1kHz output or not (either by itself or with one of these apps). Davilla, skilled as he may be as a coder tends to often ignore people and questions (maybe it's just me). The FireTV is currently stuck with 48kHz output and that means DTS CDs and the like have to be resampled and encoded to play at the correct pitch (or let Kodi do it itself in real time, but that means changing a system setting all the time if you want real DTS playback for movies and other sources that are already 48kHz). I tried sample converting DTS to 48kHz DTS (using the experimental codec in ffmpeg) but it randomly wouldn't finish the files sometimes (converting to AC3 works better but drops quality).

It seems most ARM based media boxes tend to be limited in output options and all previous ATVs except Generation 1 had the same issue (locked at 48kHz only). A few ARM based boxes do seem to do lower/higher rates, but I'm assuming they have some custom code somewhere to get around Android's limitations or are running a different OS.

The three biggest issues for a "high-end" home theater media player are:

1> 24fps playback ability (video purists)
2> Bit-accurate output and the ability to play at 24/96 and even 24/192 sample rates (music/sound purists)
3> Bit-Streaming output of Dolby True-HD and DTS HD-MA plus uncompressed multi-channel PCM (home theater audio purists)

These are all things many manufacturers don't give a second though to because they think in terms of Netflix, Amazon Video, Hulu and iTunes compatibility, NOT hobbyists that want Blu-Ray quality playback off a hard drive without the menus, advertisements/previews and pain in the back side to get a disc out of a case when you can just select it off a menu and go. Given 2016 is a legal year for fair use ripping/encoding Blu-Rays for your private home use, one would think these companies would be thinking about more hardware sales, but they probably assume most people don't even know or care about those things.

Sadly, most could be supported with minimal effort, but Apple's attitude has traditionally been that if it doesn't make them more sales off iTunes, they won't bother with it.
 
Sadly, most could be supported with minimal effort, but Apple's attitude has traditionally been that if it doesn't make them more sales off iTunes, they won't bother with it.

not just Apple, any companies or developers would do this. it makes sense as a business investment, targeting the majority of the market. they are in business to make money, not charity organization, and they have to answer to shareholders, like you who own apple stocks.

Davilla, the MrMc developer, said himself that MrMc would target the majority 80% of Kodi uses. and leave the other 20% hardcore users to Kodi.
 
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not just Apple, any companies or developers would do this. it makes sense as a business investment, targeting the majority of the market. they are in business to make money, not charity organization, and they have to answer to shareholders, like you who own apple stocks.

Davilla, the MrMc developer, said himself that MrMc would target the majority 80% of Kodi uses. and leave the other 20% hardcore users to Kodi.

This isn't a Kodi or MrMC issue. It's a firmware/driver issue. Kodi outputs the correct rate when it's available.
 
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