I read the article and the 1.5 million figure is for 6 weeks or 42 days. The 40,000 figure is for 1 day.
1,500,000 / 42 = 35,714 a day. Seems reasonable to me.
1,500,000 / 42 = 35,714 a day. Seems reasonable to me.
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MS Employs New Math (1.5 million = 40K)
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Geckotek
macrumors G3
kdarling didn't ask what apps. But there were definately some wallpaper apps I read about.
However, one of our IT Risk guys read something worse that said there were some apps that could pull any data on the device, even if it's encrypted (since it has access to the data through the device's own encryption.) Specifically, I'm worried about e-mail and any other data a user may place on their device.
I've not heard the iPhone having issues with the loss of e-mail or other data, just contacts.
I'm still waiting to hear back from IT Risk on something backing his statement, but he's on vacation for now. Either way, if I don't have their buy-off on the device, I'm not allowing it. And if we review the iPhone again based on this info, we may remove access to them as well.
cocky jeremy
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Anyone that's played with a Win7 phone knows it's doomed to fail. Within two weeks of release AT&T was doing buy one get one free promos AND giving them away, free, to soldiers. When you consider a flashlight app to be a "feature", you're screwed.
...iPhone had a slow start? If I recall correctly, people were going ******* for an iPhone when it first came out, and not much has changed since then. Either way, numbers are just numbers. It doesn't make a product good or bad. I'm not that crazy about WP7 as so many other people seem to be, but I wouldn't say that the phone failed because it can't pull off what Apple does well, which is have a successful launch day for their products.
Savor
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I just don't ever see Apple revolutionizing the cell phone industry again like in 2007 unless they give us technology seen from Minority Report. It will likely will never happen again. Prior to the iPod generation, Apple was nothing. It has been about 10 years since they have kept themselves relevant thanks to their iPod, iPhone, and clever marketing. You can't catch lightning in a bottle twice like that after the iPhone. You think Zuckerberg will come up with anything better than Facebook in his lifetime? It is hard to follow up with ideas like that even with the most creative and brilliant minds. Apple has their Mona Lisa with the iPhone and should forever be deemed as the greatest device they ever created. Everything that follows the iPhone will now feel like rehash after rehash from Apple just like Nintendo does with their games.
I don't know what defines "failure" in business. So if it isn't #1 in the market share, it is automatically a failure? Multi-billion demographic and you don't think 4-5 OSes can't carve a name for themselves? I say iOS, Android, QNX, and WP7 can all carve a profitable share for themselves. That leaves the brilliant webOS for the niche crowd that Mac users are known for. The dinosaur, Symbian, is still the most used in the world and Nokia needs to get its head out of its arse.
Every single year, there is always some talk about a company's demise and how it will die. They try to be funny with some catchy punchline to garner in the most likes and it still is one of the most useless comment. Do any of these fanboys have anything else to worry about except sales? I laugh at all the cynics who thought Android was garbage and it would fail like Palm. Look at it now. These commenters' predictions is about as good as Michael Jordan's batting average in baseball.
Read on more of the humor and jumping to conclusions here -
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20026172-75.html
If Nokia decides to use WP7 and finally ditch Symbian, WP7 will only get bigger.
I don't know what defines "failure" in business. So if it isn't #1 in the market share, it is automatically a failure? Multi-billion demographic and you don't think 4-5 OSes can't carve a name for themselves? I say iOS, Android, QNX, and WP7 can all carve a profitable share for themselves. That leaves the brilliant webOS for the niche crowd that Mac users are known for. The dinosaur, Symbian, is still the most used in the world and Nokia needs to get its head out of its arse.
Every single year, there is always some talk about a company's demise and how it will die. They try to be funny with some catchy punchline to garner in the most likes and it still is one of the most useless comment. Do any of these fanboys have anything else to worry about except sales? I laugh at all the cynics who thought Android was garbage and it would fail like Palm. Look at it now. These commenters' predictions is about as good as Michael Jordan's batting average in baseball.
Read on more of the humor and jumping to conclusions here -
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20026172-75.html
If Nokia decides to use WP7 and finally ditch Symbian, WP7 will only get bigger.
Rodimus Prime
macrumors G4
you have to look at the apps.
Jail broken iPhone could easy have the same type of apps and what is worse is you could not tell. For android you can see what they are running and lock out any rooted device running as you would only need to make sure it is running official carrier/manufacturer builds.
kdarling
Contributor
MS actually uses Old Math
Thank you. "Old Math" comes to the rescue 🙂
As for the thread topic, Apple constantly pumps up sales numbers by including their inventory channel. (They count shipment from China as a "sale".)
IIRC, this has sometimes accounted for 20-35% of "sales" in a quarter.
Thank you. "Old Math" comes to the rescue 🙂
As for the thread topic, Apple constantly pumps up sales numbers by including their inventory channel. (They count shipment from China as a "sale".)
IIRC, this has sometimes accounted for 20-35% of "sales" in a quarter.
rdowns
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BaldiMac
macrumors G3
Yes, the OP's comparison of 40K to 1.5 million was ridiculous. But your numbers imply that Microsoft is selling far less than 35,000 phones a day, which is pretty crappy compared to Android and the iPhone estimates of 300,000 per day each.
Apple doesn't "constantly" pump up sales numbers by including inventory. Yes, they include inventory, but that only helps for the first quarter as inventory builds up. It does make the launch numbers look more impressive. And it hurts the last quarter before a new version is released as inventory is reduced.
Which is amazing since Apple has done it three times.
iPod. iPhone. iPad.
Three different products. Three leaders in their sectors. Three game changers.
The iPhone will cede marketshare to Android and WM7, that is the price of limiting it's OS to itself. It will still generate the most profit out of any phone manufacturer out there.
ChazUK
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Aah, yes. I misread what kdarling asked yesterday. Sorry anout that.
I believe the security issue you are on about is the way that Android stores some data as unencrypted text and that a rooted phone could be at risk of data loss due to it.
If you use a an unrooted Android phone, it isn't an issue as you need superuser permissions on the phone to access the data.
If employees did root their phones then it would be a risk but I'd ask the question why they are hacking company owned phones, just as much as I would if someone jailbroke a company iPhone.
Geckotek said:
Aah, yes. I misread what kdarling asked yesterday. Sorry anout that.
I believe the security issue you are on about is the way that Android stores some data as unencrypted text and that a rooted phone could be at risk of data loss due to it.
If you use a an unrooted Android phone, it isn't an issue as you need superuser permissions on the phone to access the data.
If employees did root their phones then it would be a risk but I'd ask the question why they are hacking company owned phones, just as much as I would if someone jailbroke a company iPhone.
gloss
macrumors 601
Geckotek
macrumors G3
That's part of the issue, unwisely, we are telling users if they want a smartphone they must buy it themselves and then they can connect it to our network. I think this is outright stupid, but we have executives that A) refuse to pay for users to have expensive iPhones etc...yet then turn around and insist that they get to use an iPhone themselves. We end up with this stupid situation wher the employee owns the hardware that our data is sitting on. I can't guarantee our employees won't root or jailbreak their smartphones.
So, do iPhones have this same issue about storing data unencrypted if I have forced encryption via ActiveSync? This is what I need to determine.
mKTank
macrumors 68000
Thread full of expert analysts.
Oh sorry, I meant fanboys. "WP7 is doomed to fail hurr durr." Considering it sold more than iPhone 2G did, I'd say that it's a great start. A lot of people said the iPhone would fail and you guys made fun of them because of how wrong they were. Then you go on and say WP7 is doomed to fail when it outsold the original iPhone by a large margin. Hypocrites. Or just threatened fanboys? I can't tell the difference anymore.
Oh sorry, I meant fanboys. "WP7 is doomed to fail hurr durr." Considering it sold more than iPhone 2G did, I'd say that it's a great start. A lot of people said the iPhone would fail and you guys made fun of them because of how wrong they were. Then you go on and say WP7 is doomed to fail when it outsold the original iPhone by a large margin. Hypocrites. Or just threatened fanboys? I can't tell the difference anymore.
Rodimus Prime
macrumors G4
anything that is root or jail broken you security is gone. Encrypted or not on a jail broken phone that could be by passed by forcing the phone to decrypt it and then it can get the info.
I say since your employees are not using company phones you security is gone any how. Just require the phones not be jail broken or rooted.
Now it is easier to be able to tell if the phone is rooted than if it is jail broken since most of the major roms out there for Android do not have a standard name so you could filtered for only acceptable roms (stock non rooted) and your problems would be solved.
All really depends on how big of a risk if the stuff gets out. I know many places nothing truly critical could really be done.
Geckotek
macrumors G3
What policies don't they support? I've personally tested every single policy we use:
Remote Wipe
Passcode requirement
Passcode complexity requirement
Local wipe after failed unlock attempts
And they all work perfectly. Maybe there are some more esoteric policies that don't work, but we don't use them, so I can't speak to that.
But this is a marked difference from Android devices, which are the sole reason we had to disable ActiveSync by default and now have to manually permit individual devices by registering their DeviceID with the exchange server by hand, for devices on the approved list. The worst offender was the Droid Eris, which on 2.0 told the Exchange server that it supported every policy we threw at it, when it didn't obey a single one. On 2.1 it got a little better, but a remote wipe command results in the device ASKING THE USER if it's ok to wipe the device--TWICE!!! That's beyond ridiculous.
Rodimus Prime
macrumors G4
That is not something I would know. All I know is it is possible to see the what OS version is running. Now android you get that info you can start locking out non official roms. iOS you are SOL knowing if it is jailbroken or not.
Blackberry you have BES to protect those.
Geckotek
macrumors G3
I'm guessing you'd have to have Good or something like that to get the OS version. I'll look into it.
Rodimus Prime
macrumors G4
I figure that would be a good idea. I think over all it increases your security and you can easily use that to help fight the jail breakers as well since you can always just require the latest OS for each iPhone.
Now I know there are ways around and changing the info to what OS version is given out but as a general rule the people who know how and want to do that fit under very competent people and chances are really good they would not be putting apps that would get encrypted data.
I also believe that if you lock out android some of the android guys could really start faking some info and appear as a legit iPhone to your systems but I think that requires a lot more modification than just faking OS version name and numbers so greater risk of security.
Now most of that is beyond what I know how or care to do. I just believe you can do it.