Ironic that Nissan announced today of a new concept call called the "urge" that will include a Microsoft XBOX. I'm getting the urge to vomit over Nissan and MTV today.
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MTV and Microsoft Music Store in 2006
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Do people really watch MTV? The kids I know K - 8 say they don't watch it. Maybe that's just what they say (and not what they do), but...
Putting MTV in Windows Media Player isn't going to make it popular.
What Microsoft has gotta be dreaming about doing is this: preventing iTunes from working on Windows. MS's next OS will probably keep iTunes from working properly or from using copyright protection correctly.
That's just one guy's uneducated prediction.
MS doesn't win by being the best. They win by bullying and forcing you to use their stuff.
I don't think they can do it, however.
Putting MTV in Windows Media Player isn't going to make it popular.
What Microsoft has gotta be dreaming about doing is this: preventing iTunes from working on Windows. MS's next OS will probably keep iTunes from working properly or from using copyright protection correctly.
That's just one guy's uneducated prediction.
MS doesn't win by being the best. They win by bullying and forcing you to use their stuff.
I don't think they can do it, however.
Well granted it won't be as refined as OS X, or UNIX based. But Vista is taking leaps and bounds in the right direction. OS X is obviously still the champion of all OSes.boombashi said:
Let's just say that the jokes about Windows being unstable and unusable are getting outdated fast.
P.S. The Xbox 360 is a perfectly good gaming system. Just thought I'd throw that in for all of the Microsoft haters out there.
Pricing model dooms it?
Let me get this straight.
They're rolling out their "flexible pricing" model on MTV's music store, pushing higher-priced songs at the very demographic that is likely to want those songs. Except those consumers can buy them cheaper on iTunes.
Maybe I'm overestimating MTV's viewership, but it sounds to me like Viacom is banking an awful lot on the stupidity of its target audience. Even if you ignore the fact that their store isn't iPod-compatible, I smell a disaster waiting to happen.
They could generate demand for the flexible pricing model by aiming it, to start with, at the indie scenesters where the target demographic will want the lower-priced material, and then ramping it up for other stores, which would create pressure on iTunes. But the MTV brand just isn't going to sell this.
Let me get this straight.
They're rolling out their "flexible pricing" model on MTV's music store, pushing higher-priced songs at the very demographic that is likely to want those songs. Except those consumers can buy them cheaper on iTunes.
Maybe I'm overestimating MTV's viewership, but it sounds to me like Viacom is banking an awful lot on the stupidity of its target audience. Even if you ignore the fact that their store isn't iPod-compatible, I smell a disaster waiting to happen.
They could generate demand for the flexible pricing model by aiming it, to start with, at the indie scenesters where the target demographic will want the lower-priced material, and then ramping it up for other stores, which would create pressure on iTunes. But the MTV brand just isn't going to sell this.
The music industry has bullied MTV and MS to do this in hopes it will leverage them against iTunes and Apple's insistence on keeping a song for $.99.
wjdennen said:
but the difference is, the most popular OS on earth is crap. the most popular mp3 player is not. i could explain more, but what's the point?
Microsoft has the money to loose in order to 'buy' the market so they may as well spend some of it.Chris Marsden said:
Sorry, MTV and Microsoft... you both are WAY too late into the game. Apple already owns this market. And the fact that the songs will NOT play on the iPod... well, let's just leave it at that.
The only reason this will probably do moderately well is because it's the MTV name. Teens will see that and instantly think "oh, cool!" But again, no iPod support = low sales, at least when compared to the iTunes.
The only reason this will probably do moderately well is because it's the MTV name. Teens will see that and instantly think "oh, cool!" But again, no iPod support = low sales, at least when compared to the iTunes.
Stella said:
why should we BLAME apple?
its their device and they made software to go with it. if they want us to use a specific format then why not?
if you dont like it buy something else. im tired of others trying to tell creatives how to create. do it yourself if you dont like it. jeeze why should apple open up the ipod to allow every greedy company out there to make money off of THEIR creation.
Only good thing about MTV is Viva la Bam. Other than that, they can suck it. Oh.. and MTV2 has Wildboys..
you guys don't seem to understand. itunes isn't that good on windows. when i used to have a pc, i never touched itunes because of how crappy the windows verson was. now, consider most computer owners use windows. also consider most young kids who own a pc watch mtv. this should be a good competition to apple, and if you think otherwise you're just fooling yourself. i hate mtv/ms as much as the next person, but to think they don't have a chance over a company with such a small market share? and to think just because its .wma it will flop? what happens when windows comes with this 'urge' program? for now, people buy ipods because of how it works with itunes(even though most windows users would rather get another brand). so when this happens, expect other mp3 players sales to go up and apple to take a hit. how big this hit will be is anybodies guess.
you know i love apple, and i love coming here, but sometimes you people just can't even think of something competing with apple. it's like nothing has a chance when apple already does it. personally, i hope this urge program comes out good because right now itunes is just doing whatever it wants..it needs to be pushed by someone already.
you know i love apple, and i love coming here, but sometimes you people just can't even think of something competing with apple. it's like nothing has a chance when apple already does it. personally, i hope this urge program comes out good because right now itunes is just doing whatever it wants..it needs to be pushed by someone already.
Im gonna root for the best product. Apple, Microsoft, whatever! Microsoft has been "doing whatever it wants" for years. Apples products are hands down better. Im not going to buy a product from Apple thats crap just because it has an apple logo on it. Personally I have had bad experiences with several Apple products namingly Airport and Safari. Theres nothing wrong with Microsoft bashing because of their buggy products and bad buisness practices especially here on a Mac friendly sitemynameisjesse said:
I honestly believe that this MTV/Microsoft music store is nothing to be afraid of due to the format they are going with. If MTV/Microsoft had announced they would support iPod friendly formats I might start to worry for iTunes Music Store. Not supporting mp3 format and only offering wmv is bad for ALL portable players.
mynameisjesse said:
I actually agree - to a point.
I don't use iTunes on Windows, but I have a couple of times and it does seem a great Jukebox, just a tad sluggish.
I have to say though, I don't often take a trip to the Music Store, but I did earlier while demonstrating to a friend about to get a nano, and I was blown away. The way the video's automatically play when you click a song track in the artwork little window, the way everything is so integrated. You'd actually never know you're on a network.
The problem iTunes has is that Media Player is distributed to every new PC and copy of windows. itunes does not have that facility. People actually have to stick in a CD, or download the thing. I know TONNES of people NOW who use media player as their playback device because they "Can't be bothered" to download iTunes even though they know it is better.
The fact is, the iPod saga has to end some time. It's been amazing for us mac users to watch it baloon, but it can't go on forever in my opinion. This has got to be a very carefully played stratedgy.
Just last year I was saying how the next year was going to be crucial, and how Apple needs to quicken their pace and speed up their game. Luckily this year, albeit at some quality sacrifices, they've done just that. 2006 will be an interesting year indeed.
Whats Wrong with you people!? I thought this was a Mac site? Only warm fuzzy thoughts about Mac dammit!
Yer all becoming a bunch of Bill Gates lovin' pansies for gods sake!
SNAP OUT OF IT!!!
Yer all becoming a bunch of Bill Gates lovin' pansies for gods sake!
SNAP OUT OF IT!!!
Randall said:
Agreed. And with the XBox MS is actually doing what Apple has done all the time with the Mac; they control the box AND the OS, and let's noone in there. Difference is that noone has to pay a license just to write programs for the Mac
Funny how they always critizised this approach, and once they finally make a nice piece of equipment they use same pilosophy...As for the MTV thing... It has to be more than yet another music service catering to that 25-30% market... it has to be... or it will flop. I fail to see how this service also is competing with iTunes - they don't even target the same users! I have yet to see anyone with better selection and lower (consistent) prices - allthough the local selection for iTunes Norway is rather limited still... so they better have invented something radical to make this hippo airborne...
In all fairness, the early 360s have been crashing just like we have come to expect of MS products!
Aside from that, I do agree with the poster who mentioned that MTV can manufacture 'cool'. If all of their shows have people using an audio device other than an iPod and the people on these shows are perceived to be cool, the influence that it will have on sales will be immense. Never underestimate the inability of people to think for themself (especially those in the MTV demographic) and the relative ease that savvy marketers have at controlling what people think and purchase.
I am a loyal Mac and iPod user, but I do not think for a second that the market belongs to Apple and that it is too late for MS to get into the game. An alliance between MS and MTV could be quite detrimental for the iPod and ITMS, especially with the competition to ITMS being built right into future versions of Windows. The iPod dominates the market right now, but I can guarantee that sales of digital music players is only going to continue to increase, and as new options come out, the iPod could quite easily be overtaken by another player that has deep pockets and marketing push behind it. While almost everyone on this board is loyal to Apple, the majority of people are not.
Aside from that, I do agree with the poster who mentioned that MTV can manufacture 'cool'. If all of their shows have people using an audio device other than an iPod and the people on these shows are perceived to be cool, the influence that it will have on sales will be immense. Never underestimate the inability of people to think for themself (especially those in the MTV demographic) and the relative ease that savvy marketers have at controlling what people think and purchase.
I am a loyal Mac and iPod user, but I do not think for a second that the market belongs to Apple and that it is too late for MS to get into the game. An alliance between MS and MTV could be quite detrimental for the iPod and ITMS, especially with the competition to ITMS being built right into future versions of Windows. The iPod dominates the market right now, but I can guarantee that sales of digital music players is only going to continue to increase, and as new options come out, the iPod could quite easily be overtaken by another player that has deep pockets and marketing push behind it. While almost everyone on this board is loyal to Apple, the majority of people are not.
Randall said:
CrazyWingman said:Yes, forced watching of advertisements. Login, watch ad, switch genres, watch ad, find artist, watch ad, buy album, watch ads until downloads complete, play song, find 5 seconds of ad as first bit of the track.
Maybe I've gone a bit overboard, but I have no doubt that there will be [modal] ads, and they will not have skip buttons.
you're spot on. ads will permeate everything they deliver.
bet on it.
you gotta laugh at 2 companies that have almost entirely missed the wave of new content delivery...only to join into 1 large misdirected venture.
lmao I new somebody would say that. how many units are crashing versus how many work? how many units were damaged during shipping? these are things that you come to expect. I'm sure that you read about all of the constant crashing on slashdot or some other MS-hater zone. Trust me, I own a xbox 360, and it is awesome, and has never crashed, not once. It is PPC based tooSnarry said:In all fairness, the early 360s have been crashing just like we have come to expect of MS products!
There is definately something to be said about designing your own hardware and software in-house. Seemless integration is very important to an OSes stability.
Peace said:
Totally disagree. Just look around. Who's wearing those distinguishing white earbuds? Young and old alike. And while I can't say that young people started the trend, iPods made Christmas lists very quickly after their release. Want to be really unpopular with your kid? Buy him/her a Creative MP3 player for Christmas this year. He/she will be *real* popular at school with that. Kids know and drive the market. That's why this young crowd is studied carefully for buying trends.
What worries me is that this mentality also works against a company. This group is the first group to abandon a product when it gets too popular. Being different is what they're all about. Even if it means suffering loss of features or *gulp* piercings in places that should never be pierced. This hasn't happened to the iPod yet (partly, I believe, due to Apple's overall underdog status which lends itself to being a rebellious company).
Just once, it would be nice, however, to see Microsoft just give in and support something Apple does. I know. Keep dreaming.
FACT:
* Effective Competition is Good ( stop the market leader from resting on its laurels )
* Consumer choice is good.
Apple limits of both these, if you buy an iPod and want to buy music from on line stores other than iTMS.
I have an iPod, but want to use other online music stores - and
- want to pick and choose songs, instead of buying an entire album.
- iPod is excellent, I wouldn't want to use anything else.
- don't want to buy full physical CDs with 90% of crap songs, and 10% quality.
( Oh, and please don't say - you can rip the music.. its not a solution, it takes time and you end up with lesser quality ).
I take it that by your statement, below, you don't like consumer choice, because this is what you are implying.
As I've said on many occasions, if this was any other company who had a successful music store instead of Apple, and didn't support the Mac everyone on here would be screaming blue murder because they wouldn't open up their technology. Because its Apple, its OK. How very convinient to have double standards, because this is EXACTLY what is it. Double Standards.
* Effective Competition is Good ( stop the market leader from resting on its laurels )
* Consumer choice is good.
Apple limits of both these, if you buy an iPod and want to buy music from on line stores other than iTMS.
I have an iPod, but want to use other online music stores - and
- want to pick and choose songs, instead of buying an entire album.
- iPod is excellent, I wouldn't want to use anything else.
- don't want to buy full physical CDs with 90% of crap songs, and 10% quality.
( Oh, and please don't say - you can rip the music.. its not a solution, it takes time and you end up with lesser quality ).
I take it that by your statement, below, you don't like consumer choice, because this is what you are implying.
As I've said on many occasions, if this was any other company who had a successful music store instead of Apple, and didn't support the Mac everyone on here would be screaming blue murder because they wouldn't open up their technology. Because its Apple, its OK. How very convinient to have double standards, because this is EXACTLY what is it. Double Standards.
beatle888 said: