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The “screen is designed to be scratched up and scuffed up quickly but don’t worry because you won’t notice much when the screen is lit” seems like the kind of feature the pre-orderers may not have been aware of.
 
I wouldn’t buy an android tablet but some do so they clearly don’t see it as garbage.

I think this device is such a niche product that whoever buys one is aware of all the issues with the device but feel they can live with them. The person who buys this knows they are buying a first gen device and knows it’s shortcomings.

Whether people buy Android tablets doesn't change the fact they are garbage. The reason they are garbage is because everyone has basically abandoned them. Google doesn't take tablets seriously and hasn't even bothered to make their own tablet (or update Android) for them in some time. The "tablet optimized" section in the Google Play Store was removed a long time ago, and when it was up there were only a few Apps listed anyway. Asus just dropped out of the Android tablet market. The ones who still release new tablets (like the recent Samsung Tab S4 and Tab 5se) don't take them seriously. Samsung put an old 835 processor in the Tab S4 (instead of using the latest available). They put a mid-range 670 processor in the Tab 5se. And at the same time they have the nerve to charge iPad-like prices (or more). Developers also don't bother to optimize their Apps for tablets, instead relying on Android scaling to do the work for them. The result is an inferior experience and wasted space running "blown up" phone Apps on a tablet (which is really funny, since the iPad was accused of being a "blown-up" iPhone).

As for Google, now they're trying to get Android Apps working on Chrome. So all those developers that were too lazy to modify their Apps to work better on tablets are suddenly going to start modifying them to work better on Chromebooks? No, they're not bothering to do that either. To make things even more confusing, Google has another OS (Fuchsia). It seems Google doesn't really have a strategy at all regarding larger screen devices or OSes. Just like all their failed attempts to create a messaging platform to compete with iMessage or Whatsapp.

Meanwhile, Adobe is bringing Photoshop to the iPad. iPad already dominated Android with numerous high-quality photo editing and illustration Apps (which nothing on Android can even touch) and now things are getting even further apart with Photoshop.


Android tablets these days are nothing more than dirt-cheap content viewers or simple game players that people buy for their kids or to use for some obscure task (like a remote control for other devices). They truly are at the bottom of the barrel for tablets.

Which makes it so odd to want a Samsung Fold that converts into a "tablet" when the tablet side of things is so bad on Android.
 
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I wouldn’t buy an android tablet but some do so they clearly don’t see it as garbage.


I have used Android tablets for years and find them ideal for my uses.
Watching video downloads (SkyGo etc) at the gym on crosstrainer etc, reading newspaper and magazine subscriptions, Internet browsing, crosswords. In general media consumption. I still occasionally use my Samsung Note 10.1 (and my Nexus 7 (2013) is used as an ereader) especially when guests are in playing on line inter active games with the TV. People like getting a bigger screen, especially with the SPen. My current Samsung Galaxy A6 cost just over half what my wife's basic iPad (UK here). My Nexus 7 was great when my phone sizes were 4.5" and I took it with me on the go, as it slipped into my jacket pocket and I used it tethered to my phones data account.
 
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Pathetic attempt to try and twist my words around.

Your original post was trying to bash the iPhone over a grid of icons. I commented that Windows (as an example) has had the same basic grid of icons and menu structure for ages. The implication is obvious - why mess with something if it works and people understand it?
I pointed out you were completely wrong about Windows. Just because you haven't used something, or you're 5 years old doesn't matter. Windows changed pretty radically from 7 to 8 and now 10. Your 'point' (as if it has anything to do with iOS in the first place) was terrible.

So I'll say it again- it amazes me -in light of the REAL WORLD, not an Apple-only person's perma-2016 view of things- how someone touting iOS could try and make an icon-grid argument about any other OS. And since we're really talking mobile OS's here, it's even sillier.

It becomes difficult discussing ACTUAL tech with Apple-only fans because you're so blissfully unaware of the progress of actual tech. It's why Apple can sell people a $1300 machine in 2019 with 2006's hard drive in it.

Also why Apple is taking a notch out of people's screen again, when almost everyone else has moved on to better designs... not a terrible, backward compromise in the first place.
 
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I pointed out you were completely wrong about Windows. Just because you haven't used something, or you're 5 years old doesn't matter. Windows changed pretty radically from 7 to 8 and now 10. Your 'point' (as if it has anything to do with iOS in the first place) was terrible.

So I'll say it again- it amazes me -in light of the REAL WORLD, not an Apple-only person's perma-2016 view of things- how someone touting iOS could try and make an icon-grid argument about any other OS. And since we're really talking mobile OS's here, it's even sillier.

It becomes difficult discussing ACTUAL tech with Apple-only fans because you're so blissfully unaware of the progress of actual tech. It's why Apple can sell people a $1300 machine in 2019 with 2006's hard drive in it.

Also why Apple is taking a notch out of people's screen again, when almost everyone else has moved on to better designs... not a terrible, backward compromise in the first place.

Ah yes, the standard reply. All us Apple users are stupid, gullible sheep and that's the only reason we continue to like Apple and buy their products.

This way you can claim Apples ridiculous success as being the most valuable tech company on the planet is do to nothing more then stupid consumers, and not because they know how to make better products.

Look at your post history for several examples. Putting "i" in front of a word to sound clever (like your most recent example, iConGrid 25.0) or talking about the "reality distortion field". Curious, do you ever have an original insult to hurl at Apple users.

Speaking of insults, I regularly criticize Samsung or Android (for good reason), but I don't label their users as idiots. Unlike so many others here do.


BTW, I code for Android and iOS and have a desk full of devices from both camps for use as testers. You might want to remember that the next time you try to insinuate I don't know anything about Android or get into a technical discussion about either OS.
 
I have used Android tablets for years and find them ideal for my uses.
Watching video downloads (SkyGo etc) at the gym on crosstrainer etc, reading newspaper and magazine subscriptions, Internet browsing, crosswords. In general media consumption. I still occasionally use my Samsung Note 10.1 (and my Nexus 7 (2013) is used as an ereader) especially when guests are in playing on line inter active games with the TV. People like getting a bigger screen, especially with the SPen. My current Samsung Galaxy A6 cost just over half what my wife's basic iPad (UK here). My Nexus 7 was great when my phone sizes were 4.5" and I took it with me on the go, as it slipped into my jacket pocket and I used it tethered to my phones data account.
The nexus 7 2013 was a great tablet. I had one but eventually gave it to a family member. Kind of wish I hadn't because I really loved it. I still toy with the idea of buying a used one off ebay sometimes. I think that the quality of android tablets has gone down over the years because there are no high end tablets apart from the galaxy Tab S series. Before there was a lot more variety. Now it's a lot of midrange and low end tablets. Part of the reason why I wouldn't mind the fold is because android was always fine for me on the smaller tablets like the first gen and second gen nexus 7 (I had both). Even though there weren't any tablet specific apps, everything generally scaled up well.
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Whether people buy Android tablets doesn't change the fact they are garbage. The reason they are garbage is because everyone has basically abandoned them. Google doesn't take tablets seriously and hasn't even bothered to make their own tablet (or update Android) for them in some time. The "tablet optimized" section in the Google Play Store was removed a long time ago, and when it was up there were only a few Apps listed anyway. Asus just dropped out of the Android tablet market. The ones who still release new tablets (like the recent Samsung Tab S4 and Tab 5se) don't take them seriously. Samsung put an old 835 processor in the Tab S4 (instead of using the latest available). They put a mid-range 670 processor in the Tab 5se. And at the same time they have the nerve to charge iPad-like prices (or more). Developers also don't bother to optimize their Apps for tablets, instead relying on Android scaling to do the work for them. The result is an inferior experience and wasted space running "blown up" phone Apps on a tablet (which is really funny, since the iPad was accused of being a "blown-up" iPhone).

As for Google, now they're trying to get Android Apps working on Chrome. So all those developers that were too lazy to modify their Apps to work better on tablets are suddenly going to start modifying them to work better on Chromebooks? No, they're not bothering to do that either. To make things even more confusing, Google has another OS (Fuchsia). It seems Google doesn't really have a strategy at all regarding larger screen devices or OSes. Just like all their failed attempts to create a messaging platform to compete with iMessage or Whatsapp.

Meanwhile, Adobe is bringing Photoshop to the iPad. iPad already dominated Android with numerous high-quality photo editing and illustration Apps (which nothing on Android can even touch) and now things are getting even further apart with Photoshop.


Android tablets these days are nothing more than dirt-cheap content viewers or simple game players that people buy for their kids or to use for some obscure task (like a remote control for other devices). They truly are at the bottom of the barrel for tablets.

Which makes it so odd to want a Samsung Fold that converts into a "tablet" when the tablet side of things is so bad on Android.
I think garbage is a subjective measure. The person who buys the android tablet doesn't think its garbage but you do. Someone might equally find an iPhone to be garbage but that's only an opinion. Some people don't like want ios so an android tablet is what they might choose.

I don't think the android developers were lazy to work on their apps for android tablets. I just think they didn't see it as financially worth while as android users in general don't tend to spend as much money on apps as ios users.
 
Yes Emoji is way go! Go Apple take my money on Emoji innovation

If you think about it... The only way to get the new emojis is to update to the latest firmware. History has shown if you do this enough times, the iPhone becomes slow and painful to use (simply because the requirements of the OS are beyond what the hardware can provide). The solution is to go and give another $1000+ dollars to purchase a new phone - just to get the new rainbow turd emoji.
 
If you think about it... The only way to get the new emojis is to update to the latest firmware. History has shown if you do this enough times, the iPhone becomes slow and painful to use (simply because the requirements of the OS are beyond what the hardware can provide). The solution is to go and give another $1000+ dollars to purchase a new phone - just to get the new rainbow turd emoji.
A bit of an exaggeration there unless of course the iPhone 6 was the cut off point for your statement? You also don’t need to spend £1k to get a current or fairly new model iPhone that works well. My 8+ is brilliant and the XR is perhaps the best new iPhone for what it offers right now.
 
iPhones. iOS. MacOs. Desktops. Overall user experience. Etc. Laptops took a bit of a hit recently with the keyboards but they still outlast any others out there.
I prefer iPhones myself but it’s difficult to claims Macs are the best unless you just mean for longevity. Unfortunately Macs aren’t good at everything and wouldn’t run the software I use at work. They are not best for everyone.
 
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EverythingApplePro's latest video begs Samsung for an evaluation copy of the Fold like the other popular bloggers had received.

He complained that his videos where he is destroying Samsungs and iPhones is only to help them improve their products and he's not bashing them. Then he goes on to tell us everything that is wrong with it. He notes a "slew of issues" and then he still says he cannot wait to get his hands on the device.
 
doesnt require an engineer to tell that bending an oled display a million times will break it at some point. if this is to hold it requires a new "breed" of display.
 
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Pathetic attempt to try and twist my words around.

Your original post was trying to bash the iPhone over a grid of icons. I commented that Windows (as an example) has had the same basic grid of icons and menu structure for ages. The implication is obvious - why mess with something if it works and people understand it?

You're trying to turn it back to say I'm bashing Android. I don't need to be petty and bash Android over its ability to move icons around. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to bash that garbage OS.
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Arrogant how? This is a useless device for many reasons. The tiny front screen which makes it horrible to use as a normal phone. The screen which is already proving to be less durable than it should be. The fact Android is garbage on tablets, so you're basically unfolding a tiny-screened phone into a garbage mini-tablet. The fact developers need to modify their Apps in order to work properly (and we all know how "successful" Samsung has been in the past trying to get developers to modify Apps for their oddball devices).

I don't see arrogance - I just see common sense. What I do see is someone who is apparently blind to all these issues and still decides to plunk down $2,000 for an untested device with known issues.

lol The front screen is just there to check notifications or to make a call, if you want to use the phone unfold it and use it. Ill give you that android isnt great on tablets but Android Q is right around the corner and is built with foldable displays in mind, including scaling apps properly on these screens. I still stand by my pre order as I am one to embrace new tech, but people need to see past a foldable phone, this new tech can be used is so many new applications and can revolution screen in general. People need to stop trying to pray it fails and instead hope it succeeds and learn from the downfalls to improve it in future generations.
 
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Thats because they were not trying to create the typical wireless charger, just like they werent trying to create a gimmick facial scanner, or an average fingerprint scanner and so on and so forth.

But daft people like Samsung folk tend to think that Iris Scanner is just the same as Face ID so there is no real surprise that they think Airpower was nothing but an attempt to create your average wireless charger....

And Samsung is not trying to create the typical smartphone. Obviously.
 
And Samsung is not trying to create the typical smartphone. Obviously.

The tiny difference is Apple did not release Airpower, people did not spend money on it. I am sure you can grasp the magnitude of the difference between the 2...
 
The tiny difference is Apple did not release Airpower, people did not spend money on it. I am sure you can grasp the magnitude of the difference between the 2...

Die Samsung release the Galaxy Fold? From my understanding they sent out test units.
 
A bit of an exaggeration there unless of course the iPhone 6 was the cut off point for your statement? You also don’t need to spend £1k to get a current or fairly new model iPhone that works well. My 8+ is brilliant and the XR is perhaps the best new iPhone for what it offers right now.

My $1000+ was referring to AUD which would equate to around £500
 
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