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MW Expo Boston-2004=no Apple
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Re: Hmmm...
If it's about location then Apple should have told those incharge of organizing, that they wouldn't participate if it moved from NYC. [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed. This public airing of dirty laundry and bad feelings is immature and a waste of headline space. Some people at IDG and Apple aren't keeping an eye on their zealous employees.
Or, maybe Logan can't handle long term parking for a Gulfstream? hmmm
If it's about location then Apple should have told those incharge of organizing, that they wouldn't participate if it moved from NYC. [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed. This public airing of dirty laundry and bad feelings is immature and a waste of headline space. Some people at IDG and Apple aren't keeping an eye on their zealous employees.
Or, maybe Logan can't handle long term parking for a Gulfstream? hmmm
Excellent suzerain....!
Suzerain, I said it back in the other thread but I think you put it more eloquently. I totally agree. So do my contacts at Apple. Doesn't matter what the reason is or why they changed their minds, looks like Steve thought it was a bad idea or at least one that would create enough controversy so that he could use it on his behalf.
As far as the 45mil loss is meaningless....
"Standard & Poor's does not expect current earnings weakness to have an impact on Apple's ratings. Despite flat revenues and a declining income trend over the past four quarters, Apple has maintained cash balances in excess of $4 billion and a strong balance sheet. Apple's liquidity provides it with the financial flexibility to weather difficult market conditions and depressed IT spending. However, Standard & Poor's rating and outlook incorporate the assumption that Apple will maintain positive EBITDA and cash balances of about $4 billion."
Suzerain, I said it back in the other thread but I think you put it more eloquently. I totally agree. So do my contacts at Apple. Doesn't matter what the reason is or why they changed their minds, looks like Steve thought it was a bad idea or at least one that would create enough controversy so that he could use it on his behalf.
As far as the 45mil loss is meaningless....
"Standard & Poor's does not expect current earnings weakness to have an impact on Apple's ratings. Despite flat revenues and a declining income trend over the past four quarters, Apple has maintained cash balances in excess of $4 billion and a strong balance sheet. Apple's liquidity provides it with the financial flexibility to weather difficult market conditions and depressed IT spending. However, Standard & Poor's rating and outlook incorporate the assumption that Apple will maintain positive EBITDA and cash balances of about $4 billion."
suzerain just empasized my earlier post about NYC having the highest concentration of industries that Mac-oriented than Boston; art & design, publishing, recording industry, film, broadcasting, not to mention journalism.
Apple does receive more attention from the mainstream media when the show is here, eventhough it's smart of them not to limit product announcements to expos.
Apple does receive more attention from the mainstream media when the show is here, eventhough it's smart of them not to limit product announcements to expos.
But could this 'no show' anouncement force a change of venue back to NYC? This seems quite silly to me that Apple would want to get this active in choosing a place for the conference - it just doesn't makes sense and makes Apple look like a spoiled kid.
Originally posted by TechLarry
This is the most bizarre thing I've heard of in years.
Companies posting 45 million dollar losses don't skip their own trade shows!
Well, maybe they can't afford it any more
TL
AND IT IS ALL MOTOROLA'S FAULT
... oh well... got to get an apple for breakfast...
I see this point and agree with it. But what about the other 250 exhibitors. Aren't they just put further in the ether by Apple dominating the press at such an event?
How is a third party vendor to get exposure (effectively)? That seems to be the main point of an Apple Expo. Third party products.
Rocketman
So somehow you think that the other 250 exhibitors would magically get more media exposure and make more PR gains in a city with LESS media and LESS media business? You're not really thinking. MAYBE they could get more press ANYWHERE if Apple pulled out of the expos, but only MAYBE and IF Apple pulled out, and even if Apple DID pull out it would STILL be more beneficial to third party exhibitors to attend a show in media rich New York minus Apple than in Boston.
How embarrassing
I bet Micheal Dell, Bill Gates are laughing over the news. If Apple keeps putting its pride above its users and developers then Micheal Dell-Gates will end up with more new customers. Apple isn't getting its way, so now they are throwing a fit. This is not the kind of publicity Apple needs right now. I say to Apple and Jobs, "Swallow your pride and just do it."
I bet Micheal Dell, Bill Gates are laughing over the news. If Apple keeps putting its pride above its users and developers then Micheal Dell-Gates will end up with more new customers. Apple isn't getting its way, so now they are throwing a fit. This is not the kind of publicity Apple needs right now. I say to Apple and Jobs, "Swallow your pride and just do it."
MacWorld Boston Is A Far Better Place than NYC
I live on the West Coast near Cupertino. I attended every MacWorld Boston since the first one in summer of 1985. When IDG moved it to NYC, I stopped wanting to attend it. Now that it is returning to Boston, I plan on attending again in July 2004. I don't understand why Apple doesn't like this move. There are far more Macs per capita in the Boston area than there are in New York City. Boston is a Macintosh town. New York City is not. What the hell is going on?
There must be some money thing going on about this move that IDG and Apple are not telling us. Boston is a much more user friendly place than New York City. Crazy.
I live on the West Coast near Cupertino. I attended every MacWorld Boston since the first one in summer of 1985. When IDG moved it to NYC, I stopped wanting to attend it. Now that it is returning to Boston, I plan on attending again in July 2004. I don't understand why Apple doesn't like this move. There are far more Macs per capita in the Boston area than there are in New York City. Boston is a Macintosh town. New York City is not. What the hell is going on?
There must be some money thing going on about this move that IDG and Apple are not telling us. Boston is a much more user friendly place than New York City. Crazy.
Bost Is The Real Home of MacWorld Expo East
There are more Macs in the Boston area per capita than in the New York City area per capita.
You don't know your MacWorld Expo History. The New York Expo was an aberation. Boston is the real home of MacWorld Expo East. 1985-1996 or so. All you New York whiners should start your own New York show and see how far you get with their overpriced Javits Center and the AFL-CIO graft.
There are more Macs in the Boston area per capita than in the New York City area per capita.
You don't know your MacWorld Expo History. The New York Expo was an aberation. Boston is the real home of MacWorld Expo East. 1985-1996 or so. All you New York whiners should start your own New York show and see how far you get with their overpriced Javits Center and the AFL-CIO graft.
Re: Re: Re: MW Expo Boston-2004=no Apple
Boston is NOT a second rate city. It is the world capital of global intelligence. I was going to Boston MacWorlds since 1985 and it was always the best. New York City doesn't own the title of first rate city. San Francisco is to Boston as Los Angeles is to New York City. Boston is the logical place for the east Expo to be held. This is obviously a case of perception. If you life in New York City you think it is the center of the universe. If you live in San Francisco you know it is the \center of the universe and Boston is the obvious counterpart city in the East. Harvard, MIT, Cambridge. I have always thought that the New York City MacWorld was a mistake. I don't understand why anyone would want to go the the NYC show.
So there are those of us who are going to want this move and those of us who think it's insane. Great. We think different.
Boston is NOT a second rate city. It is the world capital of global intelligence. I was going to Boston MacWorlds since 1985 and it was always the best. New York City doesn't own the title of first rate city. San Francisco is to Boston as Los Angeles is to New York City. Boston is the logical place for the east Expo to be held. This is obviously a case of perception. If you life in New York City you think it is the center of the universe. If you live in San Francisco you know it is the \center of the universe and Boston is the obvious counterpart city in the East. Harvard, MIT, Cambridge. I have always thought that the New York City MacWorld was a mistake. I don't understand why anyone would want to go the the NYC show.
So there are those of us who are going to want this move and those of us who think it's insane. Great. We think different.
Re: Re: Hmmm...
One state down Forty Nine to go.... with the help of Apple legal this shouldn't take long.
One state down Forty Nine to go.... with the help of Apple legal this shouldn't take long.
IDG's Take on this
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0210/17.macworldexpo.php For IDG's comments on Apple pulling out.
FYI
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0210/17.macworldexpo.php For IDG's comments on Apple pulling out.
FYI
Re: MacWorld Boston Is A Far Better Place than NYC
Give me a ****ing break... NYC has the best public transportation system in the world 24hrs a day and by the way has the ONLY subway system in the world that has four track express service (in fact I believe that it is one of the only, if not THE only system that is 24hrs even).
Give me a ****ing break... NYC has the best public transportation system in the world 24hrs a day and by the way has the ONLY subway system in the world that has four track express service (in fact I believe that it is one of the only, if not THE only system that is 24hrs even).
Re: Re: Re: Re: MW Expo Boston-2004=no Apple
Give me ANOTHER ****ing break. I'd sooner equate SFO with Chicago than *Boston* Oh and SFO being the center of the Universe? LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....ummmm..okay. The two most important cities in this country are NYC first and L.A. second. I love San Francisco, but it sure as hell isn't the "center of the universe". And Boston? Please. It has MIT and Harvard. BIG DEAL (I'll throw in BC and BU to help you out, not "Ivy League", but...). Yale is in New Haven, CT, Columbia is in NYC and Princeton is in New Jersey, so actually NYC has more Ivy Leauge schools in the greater NYC Metropolitan area than Boston. Where is Brown? Massachusets? Why NO it's in Rhode Island!!! The fact is that the majority of Ivy Leauge schools are located OUTSIDE of Boston *not* in Boston. Get your head out of your butt and look at the reality of the cities positions....
(P.S. lets not forget the prescence of NYU, The New School, SUNY Stonybrook, even Hunter...not "Ivy League", but if you want to talk about higher education in general...)
Go ahead. Try to make a case that SFO is the "center of the universe" (God, that still cracks me up) and that Boston is the "world capital" of intelligence, I'll shoot down every one of your assertions.
Give me ANOTHER ****ing break. I'd sooner equate SFO with Chicago than *Boston* Oh and SFO being the center of the Universe? LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....ummmm..okay. The two most important cities in this country are NYC first and L.A. second. I love San Francisco, but it sure as hell isn't the "center of the universe". And Boston? Please. It has MIT and Harvard. BIG DEAL (I'll throw in BC and BU to help you out, not "Ivy League", but...). Yale is in New Haven, CT, Columbia is in NYC and Princeton is in New Jersey, so actually NYC has more Ivy Leauge schools in the greater NYC Metropolitan area than Boston. Where is Brown? Massachusets? Why NO it's in Rhode Island!!! The fact is that the majority of Ivy Leauge schools are located OUTSIDE of Boston *not* in Boston. Get your head out of your butt and look at the reality of the cities positions....
(P.S. lets not forget the prescence of NYU, The New School, SUNY Stonybrook, even Hunter...not "Ivy League", but if you want to talk about higher education in general...)
Go ahead. Try to make a case that SFO is the "center of the universe" (God, that still cracks me up) and that Boston is the "world capital" of intelligence, I'll shoot down every one of your assertions.
Well, the second phase happened today. IDG stated they may ban Apple from MWSF. And it is not unreasonable considering Apple's statements.
Apple should put me in charge of their expo effort and I can clean it up in about 2 hours.
1. Cut costs 50-80%
2. Have a booth with EVERY major Apple product
3. Attend every show.
4. Stop the madness.
5. Cut costs 50-80%
Rocketman
Apple should put me in charge of their expo effort and I can clean it up in about 2 hours.
1. Cut costs 50-80%
2. Have a booth with EVERY major Apple product
3. Attend every show.
4. Stop the madness.
5. Cut costs 50-80%
Rocketman
I agree with Apple - I have never been to a Macworld, but somehow manage to find out what hw/sw apple is releasing and casn find out what sw vendors are releasing.
I think IDG will go under MUCH faster than Apple, if Apple pulls out.
I bet the boys in cupertino are having a good laugh.
How long would aoutshows (which is all a macworld is to me) remain w/o Ford, Etc...?
I think IDG will go under MUCH faster than Apple, if Apple pulls out.
I bet the boys in cupertino are having a good laugh.
How long would aoutshows (which is all a macworld is to me) remain w/o Ford, Etc...?