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Tell me about it. :D My iPhone 5 running iOS 10 was on its last legs.

Hoping Android is a little better. I read somewhere that Android 7.0 is actually lighter and runs better than Android 6.0, as a great focus was put on lower-end hardware. I can't validate that claim myself as I jumped into Android on 7.0.
To be fair, the iPhone 5 on iOS 10 runs miles better than, say, the 4s on iOS 9 or the 4 on iOS 7.
 
To be fair, the iPhone 5 on iOS 10 runs miles better than, say, the 4s on iOS 9 or the 4 on iOS 7.
Oh there's always worse. But it was still quite bad. :p

But yes -- the iPhone 4S was dead since iOS 7 if you ask me (laggy, slow mess). It shouldn't have even been allowed to upgrade to iOS 9. :confused:
 
Meanwhile the Huawei P10 keeps the big top and bottom bezels. Just waiting to see how many tech sites nail them for it. The Verge hands on didn't. We all know if the next iPhone still has the same home button and bezels every tech site on the planet will nail Apple for it.

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Really not impressed with the P10. always liked the direction Huawei was going with their P# phones, till this one.

IMHO: This looks way WAY too close to the iPhone 7. Almost like they kept the large bezels JUST to look like the iPhone, instead of trying to do something different. I know Hawei is doing suprisingly well right now, but I can't look at the P10 and think it's worth buying at flagship prices if the iPhone is already there
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No Snapdragon 835 = dead before arrival.

At this point, competing SoCs can't even catch up with the A9 in terms of single-core performance nor does the competition approach the storage speeds of the 6s and 7.

How can the 835 be dead before arival when it's not shipping with any technology right now? the Current 2017 phones are shipping with the 821 because Samsung and Qualcomm have an agreement where Samsung provides the FAB services for Qualcom 835, but they get first dibs. So you're not going to see any 835's till the S8 has been relesased with it.

as for storage speed; Samsung's UFS is on par with Apple's NVME. NVME does slightly better in sequential read/writes, but is overall slower in random read/writes to UFS. this is one of those areas that regardless if you use either technology, you're not going to know the difference.

As for Silicon, Apple's A series CPU's are absolutely fantastic and probably the fastest single core performing chips in Mobile. However, they frequently lose out in multi-core performance due to the limited core counts. this isn't going to be a huge difference, depending on use case scenarios.
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Apple has very little to worry about 2017 competition.

even if you don't personally think that there's competition that you'd use, Saying there's no competition is absolutely ignorant.

Considering what we are seeing in a lot of markets where Apple's marketshare has decreased, while other manufacturers support has grown (Heck, Xioami is now ahead of Apple in China). Passing off the competition because they don't have the fruity logo is absolutely ignorant to reality.
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Except consumers didn't want a third option and didn't buy a windows phone

I"m not sure that's terribly fair to windows phone. Windows phone, and Blackberry too both had suffered from similar issues with their OS and that was the inability to convince developers to give a crap.

If Both BB10 and WinPho both had the same wealth of Apps as Android and iOS, I'd believe we'd see a lot more options in the market. I can't speak directly to Winphon (haven't owned one), But as a user who did have BB10 devices, I can speak to BB10.

From an OS perspective. BB10 was extremely similar to iOS, except if anything, performed smoother and better. Was more secure. Overall easier to use with a lot more advanced functionality. There were just ZERO apps.

I would honestly like to see more platforms, but it's hard enough getting developers to care about 2, nevermind 3 or 4
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Not completely the same, especially if the G6 is priced the same as the S8.

His analogy still works

There are a LOT of cars out there that are more expensive than others that are faster:

for example: Whats going to be a sportier / faster drive? A BMW 7series? or a Corvette?

The BMW costs a lot more, but the Corvette is faster.

And what does it matter having either car? if one can go 300km/h and the other one 350km/h. but the speed limits are 100km/h and you can't tell the difference, because at 100km/h, both cars feel fast and snappy, making the thoeretical top speed less overall important than the 0-100
 
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Huawei is still st the stage where they get points for trying. The most valuable company in the world doesn't and shouldn't.

Huawei is no small fry, and their software is terrible. Their mid-range and high-end phones are absolutely gorgeous, incredibly well-built. Their software is awful, and that's a huge problem. iOS is far better... far better.
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You traded a smoother experience for "a new experience"? I don't want my phone (or any computer) to be an experience that I notice, I want it to get out of the way and give me the content.

That really depends on your desires, doesn't it? I have an iPhone SE and a Huawei Honor 8. The iPhone is, without a doubt, the more reliable, smoother experience... undoubtedly. The Honor 8, however, is far more fun! Sure, Huawei's EMUI is a buggy mess, but Android is just far more flexible and does MORE. I can use the NFC chip however I want, I can use Bluetooth however I want, I can use Wi-Fi however I want. It's better for tinkering and as a platform to make and build and use experimentally.

The iPhone? The radio performance is better, the software far more stable, the mobile wallet supported by all my banks, apps are better, and the entire experience more polished - if somewhat dated.

What do you want? A phone that runs more smoothly and "just works", or a phone that's more fun to tinker with? I choose one of each :)
 
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Looks great, but watching those users tap the camera button makes it look like it would awkward to use. Starting to see the benefits of larger bezels. On the other hand, they could reposition the buttons and push them a little higher.
Ok, but iPhone 7+ is bigger with 5.5" ;-) And the cameras on iphone 7+ ... outside ;-) not with LG g6
 
True, but you will start noticing as OS updates come along. Same for the average user.
I got more OS updates on my P9 than on my iPad in 2016. And mind the fact that on iOS you need an OS update for every minor built-in app, where on Android Google generally updates them individually and through Google Play Services.

I think it's really great that more Android sellers decided to take this important criticism into consideration.

Really not impressed with the P10. always liked the direction Huawei was going with their P# phones, till this one.

IMHO: This looks way WAY too close to the iPhone 7. Almost like they kept the large bezels JUST to look like the iPhone, instead of trying to do something different.
You know, I agree with you here. I really like the P9 and I wish the P10 improved on it, instead of downgrading towards an iPhone. Looking at their P10 website pages compounds this - they're really going with all this tech fashion crap which is iPhone territory.

Instead they should focus on delivering excellent products at market-beating prices, and Bob's their uncle.
Huawei is no small fry, and their software is terrible. Their mid-range and high-end phones are absolutely gorgeous, incredibly well-built. Their software is awful, and that's a huge problem. iOS is far better... far better.
Hyperbole. Their software isn't terrible by any stretch of imagination, it was pretty good to begin with and it's excellent at EMUI 5. Best, in my opinion, it's kindof like stock Android but a bit prettier and with a few really good extra features. It doesn't even bare comparison to the aged, clunky iOS - pretty much everything you do on it is faster, requires fewer taps and swipes.

As the owner of an iOS device and having tried an iPhone on several occasions, I wouldn't ever consider it, at any price. If you gave me one for free I wouldn't use it, I think the software and general experience is that much more inferior.

What the iPhone does is make you look fashionably snobbish, and while many people appreciate this, I don't.
 
There is by far no competition for the iPhone, at the moment.

'By far'?

This is like a 'look behind you!' moment.

At the moment there is a whole lot of competition for the iPhone. Not just from MWC 2017 but last year.

The Mate 9 is a truly excellent phone with great build quality and premium components.

The P10 takes the Mate 9 a little further and puts it into the mainstream line while adding some very solid under the hood improvements like Huawei's LTE 4.5G modem, improved antenna design, better wi-fi etc. If your carrier is using Huawei networking infrastructure you should see important gains in call stability and far better stability while on the move (and even in complicated situations like passing through tunnels.

There are things that represent a step back with the P10 in my opinion but it's still right up there with the iPhone and the Mate 9 is even exceeding the iPhone 7 in some areas.
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I'm with radius and I'm not in a delusional world.
They try, they make a big effort but they are not where they would like to be.
Of course it depends on personal tastes. I chose the SE because I don't need a tv on my pocket neither I don't want to use my two hands to operate my smartphone. Making them bigger is not a feature, making them 2:1 aspect ratio also not a feature, making them edge to egde screen not a feature, this is turnning very saturated.
As already mentioned the ability to have my smartphone (iPhone) in this Apple ecosystem is a must have, who didn't try it don't know what it is and what beneficts it has.
Also, and IMO, Google/Android is the actual M$, well, kind of, same business model, making an operating system for every manufacturer in the mobile world and I never chose this path and never will.
Oh, and they make them with 8GB of RAM and even with all that ammount of RAM, almost like a computer, they can't beat a 2GB RAM iPhone. So, yes, there's by far no competition for the iPhone. :)

Just a quick note. I have a two year old Android phone that might be just a little big for one handed operation but if necessary, all I have to do is slide my thumb across the bottom of the screen and it reduces down to a size appropriate for one handed operation. Works for both left and right handed users. A simple thumb slide takes the screen back to full size. I don't know if all Android phones have this feature or if large screen iPhones have it but it's a nice feature to have as you have the best of both worlds).
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Huawei seems like they make decent stuff but I wish they'd try something original and not be such blatant iPhone ripoffs.

What have they ripped off from the iPhone?

At first glance the P10 reminded me of an iPhone but many commentators have pointed out it takes cues from several designs. As for the others, what did they rip off?
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Nice phone. But it still runs Android... [Dont get me wrong, Android itself is ok, but getting stuck on old versions is really annoying and a security risk that I'm not prepared to take - for my daily driver.]

My two year old Honor 7 has received security updates and the upgrade to Android 6. Android 7 is still new so I don't know what will happen but for a non premium phone that's great support.
 
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Will be rocking an LG G4 for some time. I don't know what the LG G5 had to offer, but it sure wasn't worth an extra $430 to me. I can safely say the same for the LG G6. Oh, and don't even get me started on iPhones.
 
Lmao!!
Well, nobody can accuse Huawei of copying Apple's style; while Apple is trying to make smaller/slimmer devices with larger screens- Huawei is trying to make larger/heavier devices w/ smaller screens.
Omg, stop.... this is TOO funny.
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Have you actually held any recent premium Huawei phones? The P10 weighs 145g and the Mate 9 was universally praised for making a large screen feel small in your hand. Take a look at the Mate S and tell why it should envy Apple. Huawei has many phones. Even its Honor low cost phones look and feel great.
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It's not even a competition because that would require a degree of similarity in offers. I've had several Android phones - they were all horrible. Android really is horrible. Despite having what was a top of the range phone, by the time the next version of Android came out it was no longer a top of the range phone, so no update for me. Security flaws are identified followed by no updates. Email accounts got hacked. Almost everything in the Google Market was adware, often unusably so. I don't get any of this with the iPhone. So the hardware is not quite so "out there" but it works beautifully. Apple do hardware for a customer experience - Google collect data, the rest do sales and don't really care about customer experience because they trade on the "don't want an iPhone" feeling that some folks have. So I wouldn't care if the top of the range Android phone was half the price and ten times as good as the iPhone, all else being the same, I'd still stick with the iPhone.

I'm sure that's probably how things were in the past but I'm not sure you'd have the same experience now. I went from an iPhone to Android and haven't looked back.
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It's like saying that because your car's top speed is 325km/h vs mine's 285km/h, mine is useless.

The Kirin 955 was already plenty fast (and good enough, the P9's UI was very smooth, loaded everything bar big games extremely quickly), I'm sure the 960 is excellent.

The 821 is also fast enough, I played with a friend's Pixel phone and it was perfectly smooth.

Yes. The Kirin is a great in house processor. HiSilicon (owned by Huawei) and with an ARM licence has already shown it can produce fast processors. The 955 was no slouch when pitted against an iPhone 7. The 960 will probably move things up a notch. For single core numbers I don't know, but anandtech is preparing an in depth article on it which I think is nearly finished.
 
"Superior" is purely subjective.

iOS is superior to me, and has been for 8 years. No competition.
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Easy to say, but honestly... how does it get better than iPhone and iOS in terms of simplicity?

Can you take a photo on an iPhone and send it directly to an Android phone right next to you? Directly, without using the internet. That's part of simplicity for me but when I had an iPhone it just wasn't possible even though I could send a photo from a Mac without issue.
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And you post this on macrumors because....?

OP brought up single core performance on A class processor against those on Android phones. The reply to that comment mentioned the Kirin 960 (part of the P10, which this thread is commenting on). I supported that reply with some extra information and highlighted that single core performance would possibly be dealt with in an Anandtech article on the Kirin 960.

To summarise. I don't have any numbers to answer the single core affirmation of the OP but those numbers are probably coming soon. That said the 960 will very probably perform as well or perhaps better the the A10 in many areas.
 
Will be rocking an LG G4 for some time. I don't know what the LG G5 had to offer, but it sure wasn't worth an extra $430 to me. I can safely say the same for the LG G6. Oh, and don't even get me started on iPhones.

I bought a LG V20 last year. Honestly an amazing phone. I was worried to buy it late 2016 when the G6 would be here early 2017, but.. Has the same cpu, it has IR-blaster (removed from G6), quad dac (G6 only has that in korea), 64GB vs 32 for the G6, removeable battery which I love and so on. So still feels like a better deal, even though it doesn't have as small bezels and no IP rating. But LG can make some nice phones, too bad they usually make great V-phones that are hardly marketed at all, and mess up the G-series that they spend big cash on. But a good tip is to pick up a V20 if you want a nice LG phone for a good price. Or wait for the samsung, they seem to have some nice stuff coming this year too. Personally, after getting used to the wide-screen camera that LG has, it's gonna take a lot of cool features before I get something without it. It's super super useful.

The iPhone better have some _really_ awesome features to get me interested, especially for that price.
 
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Have you actually held any recent premium Huawei phones? The P10 weighs 145g and the Mate 9 was universally praised for making a large screen feel small in your hand. Take a look at the Mate S and tell why it should envy Apple. Huawei has many phones. Even its Honor low cost phones look and feel great.
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I'm actually just quoting THIS article & talking about THIS unveiling:
They announced & showed a new and "improved" smartwatch product- it's thicker & heavier, w/ a smaller screen. What a joke. I can be amused/appalled by THIS product, but not necessarily be demonizing ALL of their products.
 
Can you take a photo on an iPhone and send it directly to an Android phone right next to you? Directly, without using the internet. That's part of simplicity for me but when I had an iPhone it just wasn't possible even though I could send a photo from a Mac without issue.

It's not like you can do the reverse (send a photo from an android phone readily to an iPhone) either.

I am able to airdrop files from one Apple device to another and that's good enough for me. If my friends and colleagues are also using iOS devices, then good for them, because then we can happily fling photos around without having to be next to one another.

Else, too bad. Whatsapp then.

You win some, you lose some.
 
It's not like you can do the reverse (send a photo from an android phone readily to an iPhone) either.

I am able to airdrop files from one Apple device to another and that's good enough for me. If my friends and colleagues are also using iOS devices, then good for them, because then we can happily fling photos around without having to be next to one another.

Else, too bad. Whatsapp then.

You win some, you lose some.

But there you go, that's anti simplicity and you can't send the file from an Android phone because Apple doesn't include a simple Bluetooth profile in iOS. Ironically, for AirDrop to work you need Bluetooth and iCloud activated and it had only ever worked once for me. The rest of the time it simply cannot see the devices sitting in front of it. These are well known issues with AirDrop, a service that should be bulletproof. What is worse is that troubleshooting AirDrop involves jumping through some major hoops which again, is anti simplicity. Let's not forget the half baked NFC implementation which also limits what can be done on an iPhone.
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I'm actually just quoting THIS article & talking about THIS unveiling:
They announced & showed a new and "improved" smartwatch product- it's thicker & heavier, w/ a smaller screen. What a joke. I can be amused/appalled by THIS product, but not necessarily be demonizing ALL of their products.

Ah, ok. I agree with you on the watch. I'm into sleek looking watches although I never actually wear one nowadays and these big bulky designs aren't for me, although it seems there is a trend for them with some people. I think that is what is behind the decision although I'm with you, I don't like it.
 
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Yes. The Kirin is a great in house processor. HiSilicon (owned by Huawei) and with an ARM licence has already shown it can produce fast processors. The 955 was no slouch when pitted against an iPhone 7. The 960 will probably move things up a notch. For single core numbers I don't know, but anandtech is preparing an in depth article on it which I think is nearly finished.

What on earth are you talking about??
The P9 & P10 got single-core Geekbench scores of 1699 and 1884 respectively.
Whereas, iPhone 6S & 7 got 2353 and 3294.
Soooooo, 57% as fast- comparing most recent products.
I think I caught that Kirin slouching! ;0)
 
Life's too short not to try new things. Really. You know what sounds incredibly NOT-fun? Using an iPhone exclusively for the next 60 years of my life.

On the topic of a "smoother experience" -- I can tell you one thing, my Nexus 6P is far and away smoother than my iPhone (granted, I came from an iPhone 5).
I agree, it's not fun, it's boring, like a TV or a games console. It's the stuff that's on it that's fun, the device you're using to access it should be a barely noticeable part of the experience.

That's just how it works with me (and Apple, I believe), I'm certainly not criticizing you if you feel differently.
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I sure did. The only thing that wasn't smooth was the change. After that I can use both devices. It's no different then picking up a new linux distro, getting a different car, or dating someone who isn't a carbon clone of your ex. It takes a little while to get used to what's different, but the honeymoon is far more enjoyable when the experience is new.

Now I can also use Qi charging when I am constantly getting up from my desk. Without thinking about it. I can use a polished VR system at no extra cost, and I can install apps that require a seperate password or fingerprint to access. Same experience but added security. The 6+ was a terrible device for me due to its size, and I saw no value in getting the same thing I already had.

I just don't see how the iphone 7 gets out of the way any better than the 6.

It doesn't, but iOS does a very good job of getting out of the way whatever device it's on. I have a 7, but to be honest I got it for a very shallow reason - that gorgeous shiny black finish (still lovely even with wear, by the way)! If it weren't for that I'd have stuck with my 5S.
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Huawei is no small fry, and their software is terrible. Their mid-range and high-end phones are absolutely gorgeous, incredibly well-built. Their software is awful, and that's a huge problem. iOS is far better... far better.
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That really depends on your desires, doesn't it? I have an iPhone SE and a Huawei Honor 8. The iPhone is, without a doubt, the more reliable, smoother experience... undoubtedly. The Honor 8, however, is far more fun! Sure, Huawei's EMUI is a buggy mess, but Android is just far more flexible and does MORE. I can use the NFC chip however I want, I can use Bluetooth however I want, I can use Wi-Fi however I want. It's better for tinkering and as a platform to make and build and use experimentally.

The iPhone? The radio performance is better, the software far more stable, the mobile wallet supported by all my banks, apps are better, and the entire experience more polished - if somewhat dated.

What do you want? A phone that runs more smoothly and "just works", or a phone that's more fun to tinker with? I choose one of each :)

Yeah, absolutely. I'd equate it to the difference between a Mac and Linux. Horses for courses, init.
 
What on earth are you talking about??
The P9 & P10 got single-core Geekbench scores of 1699 and 1884 respectively.
Whereas, iPhone 6S & 7 got 2353 and 3294.
Soooooo, 57% as fast- comparing most recent products.
I think I caught that Kirin slouching! ;0)
Single-core higher score doesn't mean the Kirins are actually slow. And the 960 does have a faster multi-core score. Apple puts in few fast cores, Huawei slower cores but more of them.

In one year of P9 ownership (with the Kirin 955) I haven't thought for one second "Gee if only this phone would be 57% faster, that would be perfect". Not even 10% faster. It was really fast enough. I have no complaints about speed or scrolling or anything of the sort. It launched everything I installed except for Hearthstone virtually instantly, and nothing (including an iPad) launches Hearthstone instantly.

People throw around things like "horrible software" or "buggy mess" and this really has me scratching my head. I cannot pin-point or recall any actual bug, I don't believe I had a single app crash in one year, and usually the only detail given on the "horrible software" side are the rounded icons, or lack of an app drawer (which came back in EMUI 5.0). Go figure.

The P9 was a kick-ass phone. Fast, superb design, probably the best fingerprint reader, excellent battery life, an amazing camera (I can talk about this a lot, but simply put, the colors were extremely realistic and the aperture mode is the coolest in the business), had all sorts of extra polished little details like fast network connection when roaming (don't understand how they did that), great headphones sound (some DTS license), shows the battery of Bluetooth devices (iOS does this too), probably the best file manager app, ultra granular permissions (including battery and data access), and many others.

The only weak spot as far as I can tell was its video recording capability, which is odd since the stills camera was so strong, but there you go. It did everything very well bar this. I have no idea why, but it seemed like an after-thought.

I'm curious if they fixed it with the P10. They'd better, since the front fingerprint reader and iPhone-esque styling are all backward steps for me.
 
I assume since you visit this site, you must use some Apple products. Just curious if you use an Android phone. And what do you think of Google’s Pixel phone? Is it superior to the iPhone? How? (Not being sarcastic. Genuinely interested).

You didn't ask me but I wanted to chime in. The Pixel is NICE! Google really did a good job on that phone. I would buy it if I didn't have the 7+. I'll just say the reviewers were not over exaggerating about the camera. I couldn't take a bad photo with it even when I tried.

When a lot of people talk about the smoothness its because we aren't used to that when it comes to Android, especially over time. But if people want to try something different, then that's the phone to try.

I actually plan on purchasing the next Pixel whenever they come out. Also, having unlimited storage for your photos is absolute plus.
 
Or the 'Samsung X'. Remember Samsung tend to copy both product and marketingwise whatever rumours speculate about Apple before iPhone launch. I'm sure even the product reference name.
Sure, you can see that when Samsung copied amoled and curved display and wireless charging from Apple.
 
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Single-core higher score doesn't mean the Kirins are actually slow. And the 960 does have a faster multi-core score. Apple puts in few fast cores, Huawei slower cores but more of them.

In one year of P9 ownership (with the Kirin 955) I haven't thought for one second "Gee if only this phone would be 57% faster, that would be perfect". Not even 10% faster. It was really fast enough. I have no complaints about speed or scrolling or anything of the sort. It launched everything I installed except for Hearthstone virtually instantly, and nothing (including an iPad) launches Hearthstone instantly.

People throw around things like "horrible software" or "buggy mess" and this really has me scratching my head. I cannot pin-point or recall any actual bug, I don't believe I had a single app crash in one year, and usually the only detail given on the "horrible software" side are the rounded icons, or lack of an app drawer (which came back in EMUI 5.0). Go figure.

The P9 was a kick-ass phone. Fast, superb design, probably the best fingerprint reader, excellent battery life, an amazing camera (I can talk about this a lot, but simply put, the colors were extremely realistic and the aperture mode is the coolest in the business), had all sorts of extra polished little details like fast network connection when roaming (don't understand how they did that), great headphones sound (some DTS license), shows the battery of Bluetooth devices (iOS does this too), probably the best file manager app, ultra granular permissions (including battery and data access), and many others.

The only weak spot as far as I can tell was its video recording capability, which is odd since the stills camera was so strong, but there you go. It did everything very well bar this. I have no idea why, but it seemed like an after-thought.

I'm curious if they fixed it with the P10. They'd better, since the front fingerprint reader and iPhone-esque styling are all backward steps for me.

I'm glad you're enjoying your P9!
I hope you find the P10 to your liking as well.
I appreciate your opinion on the software piece of it...
However, while it may be "fast enough for everything you do, without wishing for more"; that doesn't in any way detract from what I said.
My comment was not in any way related to overall software/hardware experience... it was a quantifiable comment regarding raw processor speed. Specifically, to poke a small hole in the OP's post about it holding its own against an iPhone 7.
To use one of the ever popular around here automotive analogies: I may find my Volkswagen Jetta plenty fast enough for me; that does not make it factually accurate to say "it's no slouch, when pitted against a Bugatti", if the Bugatti is 57% faster.
"Good enough for me" is meaningless in quantitative analysis; and that is the specific claim I was refuting.
 
I'm glad you're enjoying your P9!
I hope you find the P10 to your liking as well.
I appreciate your opinion on the software piece of it...
However, while it may be "fast enough for everything you do, without wishing for more"; that doesn't in any way detract from what I said.
My comment was not in any way related to overall software/hardware experience... it was a quantifiable comment regarding raw processor speed. Specifically, to poke a small hole in the OP's post about it holding its own against an iPhone 7.
To use one of the ever popular around here automotive analogies: I may find my Volkswagen Jetta plenty fast enough for me; that does not make it factually accurate to say "it's no slouch, when pitted against a Bugatti", if the Bugatti is 57% faster.
"Good enough for me" is meaningless in quantitative analysis; and that is the specific claim I was refuting.
But the Jetta is a slouch :D

The P9 is actually fast. I did try an iPhone 7 and it didn't feel any faster, at least not for the usual stuff (mail, browsing etc). If anything, it feels slower because of the weird scrolling speed restriction (not sure how to describe it). On the P9 you can "free-scroll", as with a Logitech mouse. My guess is that very particular things will be faster on the iPhone, like game loading, but then again, the P9 has the upper hand at other things. And mine was less than half the price of an iPhone 7.
 
But the Jetta is a slouch :D

The P9 is actually fast. I did try an iPhone 7 and it didn't feel any faster, at least not for the usual stuff (mail, browsing etc). If anything, it feels slower because of the weird scrolling speed restriction (not sure how to describe it). On the P9 you can "free-scroll", as with a Logitech mouse. My guess is that very particular things will be faster on the iPhone, like game loading, but then again, the P9 has the upper hand at other things. And mine was less than half the price of an iPhone 7.

And half the speed... as we've established.

Next.
 
And half the speed... as we've established.

Next.
Maths is not your strong point. 57% more doesn't mean twice.

I'll pick the faster multi-core speed, more memory, better camera, better battery life, faster charging, filesystem access, better OS and better value any day.
 
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