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MWNY: New Enclosures, PC iPod

Originally posted by puffypoopy
Whatever happened to the diversity of Apple's product offering?

I can remember buying my first iMac and the salesperson said "What flavor would you like?"
^--->I would like to see this return in some form. Yum
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This was kind of a bad move for Apple. While it was nice to choose a color, resellers would quickly sell out of one color, and stockpile another. They got a little better by changing the color with the specs of the machine (Indigo, sage, ruby, snow, etc...)

I would expect for the new G4 enclosure to be either like the eMac with smaller curves, or like the xServe, and take up only as much space as needed. I don't think that hot-swapable drives will make it into the desktop, but hopefully we will get two optical drive bays. Maybe if they made the handles retractable, like the hard drives on the xServe. Just push a panel, and it pops out into a heavy-duty handle. That would be cool, but it might take up too much space...

Maybe Apple will have the motherboard on a drawer that slides out. That would be cool. I still would like to know how you can pull open the xServe and still have the ports connected on back, with the thing still running. Is the board with the ports separate?

I just hope that the new design isn't bloated...
 
Originally posted by Ouroboros
So your saying that anything related to the color black has to do with the black race? Isn't that exaggerated self-reference?
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Not in the least. It is common knowledge that African Americans refer to themselves as being black while Caucasian Americans refer to themselves as white. Neither depicts the true pigmentation color of their skin.

It is also common knowledge that anything that is black is referred to as being evil, dark, mysterious, demonic, unclean, yada,yada,yada. While anything white is referred to as being pure, beautiful, innocent, sanitary and so on.

I don't think of Apple as a racist company and even if they were, I would probably still buy their products because they are superior to anyone else's but that kind racial tags attached to color bothers me.

If I were to say white was very evil, deceitful, misrepresenting and without substinence would you take offense to it? Would you think I was just referring to the color alone or would you assume that I was also including the people who call themselves white even though we are actually closer to being pink?

To flat out say white is good and black is evil has very strong racial under tones no matter how you try to sugar coat it.
 
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
perhaps the pc ipod will be beige.
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hrmm.. i highly doubt it.. is this a joke? (sorry if it wasnt :eek: )

i think that a most pc users that actually appreciate mac stuff, if for any reason at all, i think they like apple's products designs.. i think that a beige iPod would be pretty ugly, and would sell... i think they might just release software for the iPod and maybe even bundle Firewire cards, but i highly doubt that..
 
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
perhaps the pc ipod will be beige.
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Great idea :D Give the suckers what they deserve.

But anyway, I don't think much of the idea of a PC iPod. Now that we have XPlay, there's not much need. Apple should just sell their current iPod and distribute XPlay with it. If they released a PC iPod right now, Mediafour would be p*ssed. All that hard work...

Case design for G4? I like the idea of the brushed metal - minimalist is best.

PLEASE STEVE, NO SNOW :eek: !
 
Originally posted by Marvenp


It is also common knowledge that anything that is black is referred to as being evil, dark, mysterious, demonic, unclean, yada,yada,yada. While anything white is referred to as being pure, beautiful, innocent, sanitary and so on.
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Actually, even though black does have a bias for negative thoughts/comments, it is a prestigious color. Just think of what color we have on when we need to wear a tux to an important evening event, a wedding, etc.? How about the judges clothing... what color is that? Black !

When everyone wants to look their best... what color clothing do they wear... black! Black is prestigious and carries a sign of dignity to it. Black is beautiful.

Unfortunately, as you said, most people's cognitive shortcuts take them to think of black and ugly/demonic at the same time. Is this the product of society's teachings? Hmmm... I wonder?
 
Originally posted by Marvenp


Not in the least. It is common knowledge that African Americans refer to themselves as being black while Caucasian Americans refer to themselves as white. Neither depicts the true pigmentation color of their skin.

It is also common knowledge that anything that is black is referred to as being evil, dark, mysterious, demonic, unclean, yada,yada,yada. While anything white is referred to as being pure, beautiful, innocent, sanitary and so on.

I don't think of Apple as a racist company and even if they were, I would probably still buy their products because they are superior to anyone else's but that kind racial tags attached to color bothers me.

If I were to say white was very evil, deceitful, misrepresenting and without substinence would you take offense to it? Would you think I was just referring to the color alone or would you assume that I was also including the people who call themselves white even though we are actually closer to being pink?

To flat out say white is good and black is evil has very strong racial under tones no matter how you try to sugar coat it.
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There wasn't any sugar coating. I just read your interpretation as being overly simplistic.
 
Originally posted by puffypoopy
Why does it always have to be WHITE? :confused:

Is Apple RACIST? :mad:
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Yo Puffypoopy.

I'd rather not go there, if i were you...

:eek:

I would guess, it is just a marketing thing. It saves apple money. They would just buy 1 type of plastic from maybe one company.

If they buy a larger amount of plastic, they would probably get a discount.

I hope in future products (or G4 iMac revisions), apple would again offer other color schemes.

I love the fact, that i could get different iMac color schemes.

It made me feel really "different". Better than the evil beige boxes, some people call peecees.

my $ 0.02.
 
I have to say, I really like the current PowerMac design. The newest revision of it, especially when you see it in person, is dead gorgeous. It just makes you want to stare at it. The new one better the hell be as good, that's all I can say.

I like grey better than I like white. The new thing better not be white. Please, let it not be white. Or boxy and metallic.

Please, Apple, make it beautiful.
 
case may look like?

How bout a silver case like Xserve with the easy glow blue and green lights to tell about power and such. Plus, 120 gig drives finally availabe to us poor do it your self without a crew of 50 movie makers. It would be outstanding to finnally have more than 2 ata drives because guess what people, APPLE doesn't want to push scsi any more. I know this comes as a shock to most (just kidding). it would be the killing blow to hollywood if this thing came with support for 4 ata drive bays, that are (you guessed it) hot swappable like the xserve. Hell, why not make it the same as the xserve drive bays. If they do, more people will just buy the apple drive and enclosures at time of purchase, instead of trying to deal with waiting for 3rd parties to build a hot swap drive box.

As for the handles, what would you do? The handles are convient as hell, but get in the way. What to do? Think of the bottom of the cube. They have that whole snap, click, handle ya do all figured out. Why not make retractable silver handles that go down and up 2 at a time (to prevent snagging) and rely on something to slowly pull them back into the case so a customer won't leave them out and break them off?

Just a humble apple fans hopes and dreams,

btw, anyone know if the xserve has the hypertransport motherboard design?
 
technically speaking, black is not a colour.

however, can we please avoid ths p.c. argument stuff here? I took it as a throw away comment - in all senses of the phrase. This is really not the place to discuss race issues...

on another note - I dislike with a passion the current crop of 'pro' cases. The handles are gash, and the boxes are uncomfortably large and plain. Yes they are better than a lot of pc boxes, however, I dont pay a premium for their design. Personally, Id like to see some of the design effort that went into the iMac and TiBook go into the pro line, rather than a tired re-hash of the blue g3 case. I'd like to see something more 'industrial' - be it in use of materials, or design - to go with the more 'pro' line.
 
Actually, the association to black (not so much white) goes back all the way to ancient sumeria and egypt (at least) and is probably built in evolutionarily. The origin probably has to do with everything becoming darker and closer to black as the sun goes down and nighttime being associated with greater danger than the light. The sumerians and egyptians themselves were darkskinned so it wasn't a reference to that at all. Given the span of human history, it has only been a short time that any people have called themselves "black", but nighttime and not being able to see well has always been dangerous. This is not to say that European folks didn't use this association when they rediscovered darkskinned countries after the middle ages. They did. But regardless, it appears to be built in our brains long before there was of the awful racism we have in the US.

Originally posted by puffypoopy


Actually, even though black does have a bias for negative thoughts/comments, it is a prestigious color. Just think of what color we have on when we need to wear a tux to an important evening event, a wedding, etc.? How about the judges clothing... what color is that? Black !

When everyone wants to look their best... what color clothing do they wear... black! Black is prestigious and carries a sign of dignity to it. Black is beautiful.

Unfortunately, as you said, most people's cognitive shortcuts take them to think of black and ugly/demonic at the same time. Is this the product of society's teachings? Hmmm... I wonder?
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why don't you get guys get back on target..

like the fact that the new enclosure colors will have to match the new 23" cinema display and current quicksilver design.
 
I agree

Originally posted by Inhale420
why don't you get guys get back on target..

like the fact that the new enclosure colors will have to match the new 23" cinema display and current quicksilver design.
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Keep the posts on the subject and relax...
I agree... the cinema is sooo sweet looking, make an enclosure that matches the look. Whatever comes out I'm sure that we'll be drooling.
 
Some of the previous posters have made some good responses to Marvenp's post (below) but I felt the need to point out that the black/white analogy has NOTHING to do with skin colour. If you look in the Bible, the most important literary source for Western civilisation, black and white are featured. The bible was written by predominantly middle-eastern men, who are neither of the above, neither black nor white (as expressed racially).

Moreover, if you look at medieval texts from, for instance, England using the black/white terminology, they had at that time no idea that African Americans even existed!

A black poet (whose name I forget wrote a very emotive piece on being BLACK-balled, on BLACK holes etc.) but this point doesn't stand up to the spotlight of precise analysis, I'm afraid

Originally posted by Marvenp


Not in the least. It is common knowledge that African Americans refer to themselves as being black while Caucasian Americans refer to themselves as white. Neither depicts the true pigmentation color of their skin.

It is also common knowledge that anything that is black is referred to as being evil, dark, mysterious, demonic, unclean, yada,yada,yada. While anything white is referred to as being pure, beautiful, innocent, sanitary and so on.

I don't think of Apple as a racist company and even if they were, I would probably still buy their products because they are superior to anyone else's but that kind racial tags attached to color bothers me.

If I were to say white was very evil, deceitful, misrepresenting and without substinence would you take offense to it? Would you think I was just referring to the color alone or would you assume that I was also including the people who call themselves white even though we are actually closer to being pink?

To flat out say white is good and black is evil has very strong racial under tones no matter how you try to sugar coat it.
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I believe that there is spiritual significance to the idea that black is evil and white is good - but it has nothing do to with skin color. I think black is synonomous with night, the idea being that evil behaviour feels safer at night under the cover of darkness, whereas the daylight has the ability to expose bad behaviour. This is why most crimes are probably commited at night. Anyway, if I could be any animal in the world I would be a bunny rabbit.
 
Can we just let this rest? Some guy comes in and on his first post stirs this up and everyone goes nuts. Frankly I think the mods should can him but that's their decision.
 
a more black & white issue: any doubt about DDR?

yes, that subject line is a joke...

but seriously, is there any chance they <i>won't</i> move to DDR on the new G4 Rev?

my fear is that this means the dread 'motherboard redesign' might truly spell the end for OS 9 as earlier rumors have suggested.

is getting DDR and a speed bump worth the loss of the Classic?

I can't decide------
 
Re: a more black & white issue: any doubt about DDR?

Originally posted by agoldweber
yes, that subject line is a joke...

but seriously, is there any chance they <i>won't</i> move to DDR on the new G4 Rev?

my fear is that this means the dread 'motherboard redesign' might truly spell the end for OS 9 as earlier rumors have suggested.

is getting DDR and a speed bump worth the loss of the Classic?

I can't decide------
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Classic mode won't be killed. Just booting from OS 9. If the rumor is true.
 
PC Ipod

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Originally posted by puffypoopy
Why does it always have to be WHITE?

Is Apple RACIST?
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because DELL'S are BLACK

nothing to do with race.

i think its something to do with good versus evil as well.



dont forget the bad guys and the good guys/black hats and white hats.....and whom rescued whom.......
 
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