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krossfyter
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hardware!
cinema display HD (high definition)
1920*1200
US$3499
449,800 in Japan
iPod
10 GB - $499
5 GB - $399
custom laser engraving on iPod US$49
27 letters on two lines
Contacts - you can sync your contacts to your iPod
via iPod Software Updater 1.1
vCard standard
new "contacts" menu in ipod
you can download
iMac
iMac prices went up $100
everything is more expensive
25% cost increase in components
200% RAM cost increase
they had one decision to make: remove features or raise price?
$100 increase in US
20,000 Yen increase in Japan
previous dealer orders will be honored
125,000 units shipped so far
10% or less have shipped to Apple retail stores
others to dealers
now shipping 5000 iMac units/day
expects to be caught up with backorders by April
hardware!
cinema display HD (high definition)
1920*1200
US$3499
449,800 in Japan
iPod
10 GB - $499
5 GB - $399
custom laser engraving on iPod US$49
27 letters on two lines
Contacts - you can sync your contacts to your iPod
via iPod Software Updater 1.1
vCard standard
new "contacts" menu in ipod
you can download
iMac
iMac prices went up $100
everything is more expensive
25% cost increase in components
200% RAM cost increase
they had one decision to make: remove features or raise price?
$100 increase in US
20,000 Yen increase in Japan
previous dealer orders will be honored
125,000 units shipped so far
10% or less have shipped to Apple retail stores
others to dealers
now shipping 5000 iMac units/day
expects to be caught up with backorders by April
125,000 units shipped so far !!!???
125,000 units shipped so far !!!???😕
What the hell is this!?
If everybody out there, from customers to resellers, is crying for the new iMac's, where are these 125,000 units ?
I wouldn't like to say this, but is Steve lying yo us?
If mistakes were made, please Apple, admit them and tell us that you're trying hard to correct them. Just that!
125,000 units shipped so far !!!???😕
What the hell is this!?
If everybody out there, from customers to resellers, is crying for the new iMac's, where are these 125,000 units ?
I wouldn't like to say this, but is Steve lying yo us?
If mistakes were made, please Apple, admit them and tell us that you're trying hard to correct them. Just that!
jelloshotsrule
macrumors G3
overall
i tend to agree that the price won't hurt imac sales too much. i think the people who will be most soured are the ones who were just about to buy one.... that one extra day putting it off cost them. and of course the increase won't affect previous orders because that just wouldn't work. whether by law or just because people wouldn't stand for it. if you place an order for something, and are told it'll ship on day x, then day x comes and goes and there are delays. after day x the price goes up, no way will you have to pay that new price...
i think the new stuff is more exciting than i'd have expected, but it won't really affect me (or maybe even most people) as i don't have the money to spend on the screen. and of course the cost of lcds on the rise wouldn't allow them to drop prices on the others at all. the ipod update seems good. i have it downloaded, just have to juice it onto the pod. and i'm thinking about sending mine back to get it engraved! ha!
blue tooth sounds promising too. can anyone just generally describe the various facets it'll affect? ie, airport, etc... thanks
i tend to agree that the price won't hurt imac sales too much. i think the people who will be most soured are the ones who were just about to buy one.... that one extra day putting it off cost them. and of course the increase won't affect previous orders because that just wouldn't work. whether by law or just because people wouldn't stand for it. if you place an order for something, and are told it'll ship on day x, then day x comes and goes and there are delays. after day x the price goes up, no way will you have to pay that new price...
i think the new stuff is more exciting than i'd have expected, but it won't really affect me (or maybe even most people) as i don't have the money to spend on the screen. and of course the cost of lcds on the rise wouldn't allow them to drop prices on the others at all. the ipod update seems good. i have it downloaded, just have to juice it onto the pod. and i'm thinking about sending mine back to get it engraved! ha!
blue tooth sounds promising too. can anyone just generally describe the various facets it'll affect? ie, airport, etc... thanks
Credit Card stays...
OK...I was set to buy the new 10 gig iPod...but alas, I can't bring myself to do it. I was waiting for this model...I need the size...but the price increase is just too much, and I rarely complain about Apple prices.
They still don't ship with a case or a clip. And, they want to charge me for engraving too?
Apple, you can only push your luck just so far. And, this time you pushed my credit card back into my wallet.
OK...I was set to buy the new 10 gig iPod...but alas, I can't bring myself to do it. I was waiting for this model...I need the size...but the price increase is just too much, and I rarely complain about Apple prices.
They still don't ship with a case or a clip. And, they want to charge me for engraving too?
Apple, you can only push your luck just so far. And, this time you pushed my credit card back into my wallet.
Xapplimatic
macrumors 6502
All and all not a bad expo for "low-key" no broadcast..
*AWESOME* new High-Def 23" LCD!! I want one!!
iPod gets 2x size increase for $100 more.
Free software upgrade for all iPods gives sound EQ AND contact list stuff!
Bluetooth.. Guess they worked out the channel priority conflicts! Very nice
low cost networking solution (<half the price of airport to make 2 Macs talk).. and contrary to what the original post on this thread says, Apple's site says
it's available under 10.1.3, not the next OS version. (Only $43 for the USB!)
The price increase on the iMac sux, but ... industry leaders were whining
about LCD increases and RAM increases for the last few months.. so it
shouldn't be exactly a suprise.. Bonus for those who didn't "hold-out" on
ordering.. and I don't think Steve was lying about how many are shipping
have shipped. The local (non-Apple) stores here have some high-end iMac
inventory on hand.
Did I say I was drooling over the 23" HIGH DEF LCD?? Droooll....
*AWESOME* new High-Def 23" LCD!! I want one!!
iPod gets 2x size increase for $100 more.
Free software upgrade for all iPods gives sound EQ AND contact list stuff!
Bluetooth.. Guess they worked out the channel priority conflicts! Very nice
low cost networking solution (<half the price of airport to make 2 Macs talk).. and contrary to what the original post on this thread says, Apple's site says
it's available under 10.1.3, not the next OS version. (Only $43 for the USB!)
The price increase on the iMac sux, but ... industry leaders were whining
about LCD increases and RAM increases for the last few months.. so it
shouldn't be exactly a suprise.. Bonus for those who didn't "hold-out" on
ordering.. and I don't think Steve was lying about how many are shipping
have shipped. The local (non-Apple) stores here have some high-end iMac
inventory on hand.
Did I say I was drooling over the 23" HIGH DEF LCD?? Droooll....
expectations
I don't know about anyone else, but I wasn't expecting a whole lot out of this Macwold and I'm very happy to see Apple's announcements.
I was pretty worried about the delays in the iMac shipments. A lot of them have been shipped, so I don't think the 125,000 shipped statement made by Steve Jobs is hiding anything. Still, there are a LOT of people waiting in line for their's and I was worrying that people would start to cancel and buy something else if they're forced to wait much longer. So, it sounds like they are past their holdup on shipments. I was kind of wondering if the delays are really due to cost increases and Apple trying to work out better deals on RAM and LCD prices. I don't think the $100 increase will affect sales much, though it is a shame to see.
As for the iPod, the 10GIG release is what I was hoping for, but not for an extra $100. Perhaps in a few months, they will start coming down (don't they HAVE to???). As for the laser engraving for an extra $50... Heck it's a cool option. You don't have to have to have it done and I'm sure most people have no need for it, but it is a pretty cool option for a gift item. Also, I didn't think Apple would go with putting contact data on the iPod, but they did, and that will make some users I've talked to quite happy.
Oh, and did anyone notice iTunes is now at 2.0.4?
I don't know about anyone else, but I wasn't expecting a whole lot out of this Macwold and I'm very happy to see Apple's announcements.
I was pretty worried about the delays in the iMac shipments. A lot of them have been shipped, so I don't think the 125,000 shipped statement made by Steve Jobs is hiding anything. Still, there are a LOT of people waiting in line for their's and I was worrying that people would start to cancel and buy something else if they're forced to wait much longer. So, it sounds like they are past their holdup on shipments. I was kind of wondering if the delays are really due to cost increases and Apple trying to work out better deals on RAM and LCD prices. I don't think the $100 increase will affect sales much, though it is a shame to see.
As for the iPod, the 10GIG release is what I was hoping for, but not for an extra $100. Perhaps in a few months, they will start coming down (don't they HAVE to???). As for the laser engraving for an extra $50... Heck it's a cool option. You don't have to have to have it done and I'm sure most people have no need for it, but it is a pretty cool option for a gift item. Also, I didn't think Apple would go with putting contact data on the iPod, but they did, and that will make some users I've talked to quite happy.
Oh, and did anyone notice iTunes is now at 2.0.4?
jelloshotsrule
macrumors G3
Mr. Anderson
Moderator emeritus
23"
Ouch.
Do I buy a new computer?
Do I buy a 23" monitor?
Maybe I should sell my car?
Going to buy a lotto ticket tomorrow....
Ouch.
Do I buy a new computer?
Do I buy a 23" monitor?
Maybe I should sell my car?
Going to buy a lotto ticket tomorrow....
iPod price disappointing
While everyone that already bought one won't be upset by a price drop, and the new firmware updates sound really good... I'm still a bit disappointed.
I was all ready to spend $600 CDN on a 10 GB iPod, but instead they want $800. Now I have to decide if I really need to extra space. On one hand, my 10 GB iBook drive is stuffed and I could use the extra space for backups and all that. If already spending so much, why not spend a little more.
On the other hand, my music collection is 3.5 GB, so as a dedicated MP3 player I don't really need 10 GB - I still would have 1 GB free for backups and such. With only a 90-day warranty, I worry that overuse as a Firewire drive (due to having more space) may wear the thing out. May be better off without...
And engraving doesn't appear to be offered in the Canadian Apple Store... doh!
- n8
While everyone that already bought one won't be upset by a price drop, and the new firmware updates sound really good... I'm still a bit disappointed.
I was all ready to spend $600 CDN on a 10 GB iPod, but instead they want $800. Now I have to decide if I really need to extra space. On one hand, my 10 GB iBook drive is stuffed and I could use the extra space for backups and all that. If already spending so much, why not spend a little more.
On the other hand, my music collection is 3.5 GB, so as a dedicated MP3 player I don't really need 10 GB - I still would have 1 GB free for backups and such. With only a 90-day warranty, I worry that overuse as a Firewire drive (due to having more space) may wear the thing out. May be better off without...
And engraving doesn't appear to be offered in the Canadian Apple Store... doh!
- n8
I can't believe what Apple's done to the iPod, I was expecting a 10 GB model for $399 and the original 5GB model at $299... Surely with a new model, the old model's price has to come down... some day...
hey j763... that's ONE THOUSAND AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS FOR A 10G iPOD
there goes that overseas trip...
Re: iPod price disappointing
I don't think you'll wear out an iPod any faster using it for its hard drive space. But why relegate such a beautiful piece of equipment as the iPod to file storage? I was running out of space on my 10Gig TiBook hard drive and I replaced it with a 30Gig for around $160 US.
Seems to me like it would make more sense to go that route and buy the cheaper iPod. Of course, I did the hard disk installation myself, which was pretty tricky.
I don't think you'll wear out an iPod any faster using it for its hard drive space. But why relegate such a beautiful piece of equipment as the iPod to file storage? I was running out of space on my 10Gig TiBook hard drive and I replaced it with a 30Gig for around $160 US.
Seems to me like it would make more sense to go that route and buy the cheaper iPod. Of course, I did the hard disk installation myself, which was pretty tricky.
Dunepilot
macrumors 6502a
Over £700 pounds for 1 inch and a bit more resolution
is RIDICULOUS ! and that's based on Apple Uk's education pricing and without VAT
Who can justify spending so much money for a monitor.
Anyone out there thinking of buying themselves a large screen, snap up a 22" flat panel while you still can.
I know we weren't promised much at Tokyo, but really, what a disaster for mac fans.😡
is RIDICULOUS ! and that's based on Apple Uk's education pricing and without VAT
Who can justify spending so much money for a monitor.
Anyone out there thinking of buying themselves a large screen, snap up a 22" flat panel while you still can.
I know we weren't promised much at Tokyo, but really, what a disaster for mac fans.😡
teabgs
macrumors 68030
Re: Over £700 pounds for 1 inch and a bit more resolution
I don't know about that. It was a bit better then I thought. Bluetooth anyone? 23" HD LCD (even if its too expensive for anyone to buy).
It's not Apple's fault that prices had to be raised. Everyone's prices will be going up. it's not a huge increase. and besides, it will go down in time.
I don't know about that. It was a bit better then I thought. Bluetooth anyone? 23" HD LCD (even if its too expensive for anyone to buy).
It's not Apple's fault that prices had to be raised. Everyone's prices will be going up. it's not a huge increase. and besides, it will go down in time.
Re: Re: iPod price disappointing
Because my music collection is only 3.5 GB? Besides replacing my Rio 500, I can remove all the music from my drive and still have room for backups and such on the iPod. Plus it's a nice size for carrying around everywhere.
That's not a bad idea. Even if I had the current model iBook with 20 GB, I doubt I'd be quite as anxious to get an iPod. Of course I'd like to keep my warranty, and there are a lot a steps to replacing the HDD - so it would cost me a little more.
It's kind of like I want a FireFly (smartdisk.com), but with MP3 player features at the same time. Interestingly enough, the FireFly was priced the same as the iPod before (same drive), but now it is down to $199 US for 5GB. Could buy 2 for the price of an iPod 5 GB - not that it would make any sense to do so...
Oh well... maybe I should just keep waiting.
- n8
Because my music collection is only 3.5 GB? Besides replacing my Rio 500, I can remove all the music from my drive and still have room for backups and such on the iPod. Plus it's a nice size for carrying around everywhere.
That's not a bad idea. Even if I had the current model iBook with 20 GB, I doubt I'd be quite as anxious to get an iPod. Of course I'd like to keep my warranty, and there are a lot a steps to replacing the HDD - so it would cost me a little more.
It's kind of like I want a FireFly (smartdisk.com), but with MP3 player features at the same time. Interestingly enough, the FireFly was priced the same as the iPod before (same drive), but now it is down to $199 US for 5GB. Could buy 2 for the price of an iPod 5 GB - not that it would make any sense to do so...
Oh well... maybe I should just keep waiting.
- n8
Coupla things...
Firstly, yes, the Cinema Display HD is very expensive, however, it has 144 dots per inch!! That's pretty much double the pixel density of my 17"! Dangit, I can't find the place where I read that the 23" has 144 pixels/inch. I'll find it and edit this message later. Anyway, those are some AMAZING specs. 16:10 ratio, 1920 x 1200 resolution...
The 22" Cinema Display was $3999 when it was first released. It sold. Not much later, it's half the price.
Secondly, is it me, or does it look like the horizontal line pattern on the sides of the screen are gone? Note the silver apple, like the new iMac, on the back and front of the display.
Thirdly, I thought the 22" display maximized the bandwidth of the ADC connector. I guess I was wrong. Anyone know where the specs are for that?
Firstly, yes, the Cinema Display HD is very expensive, however, it has 144 dots per inch!! That's pretty much double the pixel density of my 17"! Dangit, I can't find the place where I read that the 23" has 144 pixels/inch. I'll find it and edit this message later. Anyway, those are some AMAZING specs. 16:10 ratio, 1920 x 1200 resolution...
The 22" Cinema Display was $3999 when it was first released. It sold. Not much later, it's half the price.
Secondly, is it me, or does it look like the horizontal line pattern on the sides of the screen are gone? Note the silver apple, like the new iMac, on the back and front of the display.
Thirdly, I thought the 22" display maximized the bandwidth of the ADC connector. I guess I was wrong. Anyone know where the specs are for that?
I will be off to Mac world tomorrow to check on the resolution of the new screen.
I must say that anyone willing to spend the money on the new ipod is a bit crazy considering the price of 2.5" 30 gb hard drives. So then, it is possible to replace the ipod drive?
I must say that anyone willing to spend the money on the new ipod is a bit crazy considering the price of 2.5" 30 gb hard drives. So then, it is possible to replace the ipod drive?
Mr. Anderson
Moderator emeritus
Re: Coupla things...
Do the math:
max res: 1920x1200
@144 dpi that would be 13.3" x 8.3"
The display measurements are 24.2" x 19.2"
Some space seems to be missing.
A fast calculation figuring the res given 23 as the diagonal and using the aspect ratio comes up with
98.4 dpi
Higher than 72, but not nearly 144 which would make 12pt fonts tiny.
Do the math:
max res: 1920x1200
@144 dpi that would be 13.3" x 8.3"
The display measurements are 24.2" x 19.2"
Some space seems to be missing.
A fast calculation figuring the res given 23 as the diagonal and using the aspect ratio comes up with
98.4 dpi
Higher than 72, but not nearly 144 which would make 12pt fonts tiny.
Call the hospital, it happened again
well youve done it again Jobs. I commend you. You have shot your self in the foot so many times, i am suprised there was anything left there to shoot this time! $500 FOR AN IPOD, WHAT ARE U CRAZY!!!!!! Pc'ers can buy new computers for $500! And highering the price of the iMacs, that is just suicide. How are you supposed to compete with pcs when you can get a highend PC for $1000! This is why Macs are still behind PCs in allmost all sales of computers. This company is doomed if they keep things up. I live in miami and as you know there is a new apple store there. I go in there all the time and talk with the workers and i watch the PC folk walk in there and look around and i listen to the conversations. "dad, i want a imac", "well son it is really expensive, i cant afford it, so lets go over to best buy and get you a compaq or somthing". HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THIS STORE TO BE TURNED AWAY BY OVERPRICED COMPUTERS!!. I AM SHURE THE PROFFESIONAL MAC USERS DO NOT THINK THIS, BUT I AM LOOKING AT THIS FROM A CONSUMER POINT OF VIEW. APPLE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO REACH THE MARKET THEY WANT TO REACH WITH OVERPRICED COMPUTERS AND ITEMS. I CAN REMEBER STEVE JOBS SAYING "SOMEDAY A MAC WILL BE IN EVERY HOUSEHOLD", WELL I DONT THINK IT WILL HAPPEN IN ANY OF OUR LIFETIMES.
THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ! THERE ISNT ANY MORE.
well youve done it again Jobs. I commend you. You have shot your self in the foot so many times, i am suprised there was anything left there to shoot this time! $500 FOR AN IPOD, WHAT ARE U CRAZY!!!!!! Pc'ers can buy new computers for $500! And highering the price of the iMacs, that is just suicide. How are you supposed to compete with pcs when you can get a highend PC for $1000! This is why Macs are still behind PCs in allmost all sales of computers. This company is doomed if they keep things up. I live in miami and as you know there is a new apple store there. I go in there all the time and talk with the workers and i watch the PC folk walk in there and look around and i listen to the conversations. "dad, i want a imac", "well son it is really expensive, i cant afford it, so lets go over to best buy and get you a compaq or somthing". HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THIS STORE TO BE TURNED AWAY BY OVERPRICED COMPUTERS!!. I AM SHURE THE PROFFESIONAL MAC USERS DO NOT THINK THIS, BUT I AM LOOKING AT THIS FROM A CONSUMER POINT OF VIEW. APPLE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO REACH THE MARKET THEY WANT TO REACH WITH OVERPRICED COMPUTERS AND ITEMS. I CAN REMEBER STEVE JOBS SAYING "SOMEDAY A MAC WILL BE IN EVERY HOUSEHOLD", WELL I DONT THINK IT WILL HAPPEN IN ANY OF OUR LIFETIMES.
THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ! THERE ISNT ANY MORE.
Backtothemac
macrumors 601
wakeupstevejobs...
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah
People like you have been saying the same thing for the last 15 years or so.
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah
People like you have been saying the same thing for the last 15 years or so.
well it is true steve is flushing this company and its fan base DOWN THE TOLET....... AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!!
99 bottles of beer on the wall,99 bottles of beer !!
99 bottles of beer on the wall,99 bottles of beer !!