She'll walk in there scoffing and walk out with your computer, HER computer, and iPods for both of you.
Thread over, people. Kid's getting a Mac.
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She'll walk in there scoffing and walk out with your computer, HER computer, and iPods for both of you.
Thread over, people. Kid's getting a Mac.
Don't do that. It's almost impossible to get OS X working flawlessly on a Dell. Trust me on that one
OSX86 is only reliable if you are an extreme hobbyist or have a major geek to get it to work for you. But let's not talk about this, or it will turn into the clone wars.
They only way I would do it now (OSx86) is if I was able to build my own and run MY (Not kalyway's or iAtkos's) own version of Leopard.
She'll walk in there scoffing and walk out with your computer, HER computer, and iPods for both of you.
Thread over, people. Kid's getting a Mac.
Ha that happened when I got my MacBook. Walked in and came out with a computer.
Thank you Apple, for having such pushy and flashy employees.
Join the club.
I am very much under the impression that Apple employees are the exact opposite of this. Every time I've been to an Apple Store, I've noticed that you have to ask outright for them to talk to you. They're not like Best Buy drones; "Find everything okay?" "Can I help you today?" "See anything you like?"
Apple Store employees let you mess around as much as you want without being bothered.
Unless you're referring to what happens after you start talking to them about a purchase... I can already see two eyes light up and a little RDF being switched on...
To me, the number one reason to reject the automatic assumption that your next computer should be a Dell, HP, Toshiba or anything else based on Windows is Vista.
Show them the plethora of articles on Vista's downsides.
Vista is one of several reasons that most people who have never considered a Mac before are at least looking now.
Unless you're getting one of the few 'downgrade' options to XP still available (which actually COST more), you're stuck with Vista now.
And....with an Apple, you can still run Vista or XP if you have the operating system disks - the best of both worlds!
Show them the plethora of articles on Vista's downsides.
Vista is one of several reasons that most people who have never considered a Mac before are at least looking now.
Unless you're getting one of the few 'downgrade' options to XP still available (which actually COST more), you're stuck with Vista now.
And....with an Apple, you can still run Vista or XP if you have the operating system disks - the best of both worlds!
I know you didn't really mean that as a 'flame' per se, but ignorance isn't something anyone who knows me finds applicable.
I full well acknowledge that there are people using Vista, but it is NOT a fact that such is the norm.
There's a reason Intel corporate offices aren't moving to Vista.
There's a reason that out of 7 hospitals near me, 5 moved to XP from Windows 2000 only last year, and are not moving to Vista.
I encounter hundreds of computer users in my work. In the deployment of Vista for typical and not-so-typical uses of Windows, Vista has caused problems for more users than I can ever recall in the complications with previous migrations, except for when Windows 3.0 gave way to Windows 3.1.
I've even heard suggestions that 64bit Vista with plenty of RAM is better; well, it's better than 32bit Vista, that's true, but 64bit XP is better than both.
I'm a developer targeting Windows, Linux, Unix and Mac. I thought the Amiga was a genuinely innovative machine, and I'd write for it if there were still sufficient customer interest. I have no anti-Vista interests.
I compare the operating systems side by side, on the same machine where possible. I use demanding applications, like 3DS Max, AutoCAD, Visual Studio, the Adobe Suite - and in all cases, Vista is slower than XP and some features of Adobe don't even work (Adobe Audition simply can't work, yet).
It's true that Vista does run, isn't any worse that NT 3.1, or those first weeks of Windows 3.1 (when all the 3.0 applications were crashing, badly) - but then the general expectations of what we should expect from an operating system have advanced, and we have every right and reason to be very particular. I'm especially troubled that XP was killed off much earlier than is reasonable.
I know there are examples of Vista computers in use that do what their owners expect of them. I'm fairly certain that Mac owners are getting what they expect from their new OSX machines, too.
When it comes to putting money into a new system, though, comparing Vista to Vista in a contrived test doesn't quite mean anything other than there are people who see what they want to see. That's not a valid analysis of a comparison between, say, Vista, Mac, Linux and XP.
Since Mac doesn't run 3DS Max, I need to run Windows. When I choose the Windows to use for it, I'd rather have Windows 2000, but some applications required XP, and as of service pack 2, XP was ok.
For a student purchasing a machine that is likely to be needed for college, there may be specifics required by the school that demands Windows of some flavor (the school might, for example, insist on some applications that have no Mac counterpart). Prerequisites like these make the choice for us, and now that XP is officially off the table, our choice has been limited for us. I simply find that irritating at the least, because when I compare the operation of a 64bit XP machine, with Max, Illustrator, two virtual machines, Visual Studio, a couple of browsers, Photoshop and Nero burning a DVD - all at the same time - against the same usage pattern under Vista, I find that Vista is lacking performance and occasionally can't even run what I need.
For that matter, I can't use a Mac for this profile, either - but I can't promote XP, and most people don't use their computers like I use mine. At present, my iMac is used primarily for cross-platform development compilations and testing. I'd like it to do more for me, and I can't run XP or Vista in parallels with sufficient performance for applications like 3DS Max to make that a viable option.
Yet, when someone else I know is considering a computer - I don't typically jump to a suggestion until I know what they intend their computer to do for them. I might even be able to suggest Ubuntu for some, and, frankly, that works in some cases.
I full well acknowledge that there are people using Vista, but it is NOT a fact that such is the norm.
There's a reason Intel corporate offices aren't moving to Vista.
There's a reason that out of 7 hospitals near me, 5 moved to XP from Windows 2000 only last year, and are not moving to Vista.
I encounter hundreds of computer users in my work. In the deployment of Vista for typical and not-so-typical uses of Windows, Vista has caused problems for more users than I can ever recall in the complications with previous migrations, except for when Windows 3.0 gave way to Windows 3.1.
I've even heard suggestions that 64bit Vista with plenty of RAM is better; well, it's better than 32bit Vista, that's true, but 64bit XP is better than both.
I'm a developer targeting Windows, Linux, Unix and Mac. I thought the Amiga was a genuinely innovative machine, and I'd write for it if there were still sufficient customer interest. I have no anti-Vista interests.
I compare the operating systems side by side, on the same machine where possible. I use demanding applications, like 3DS Max, AutoCAD, Visual Studio, the Adobe Suite - and in all cases, Vista is slower than XP and some features of Adobe don't even work (Adobe Audition simply can't work, yet).
It's true that Vista does run, isn't any worse that NT 3.1, or those first weeks of Windows 3.1 (when all the 3.0 applications were crashing, badly) - but then the general expectations of what we should expect from an operating system have advanced, and we have every right and reason to be very particular. I'm especially troubled that XP was killed off much earlier than is reasonable.
I know there are examples of Vista computers in use that do what their owners expect of them. I'm fairly certain that Mac owners are getting what they expect from their new OSX machines, too.
When it comes to putting money into a new system, though, comparing Vista to Vista in a contrived test doesn't quite mean anything other than there are people who see what they want to see. That's not a valid analysis of a comparison between, say, Vista, Mac, Linux and XP.
Since Mac doesn't run 3DS Max, I need to run Windows. When I choose the Windows to use for it, I'd rather have Windows 2000, but some applications required XP, and as of service pack 2, XP was ok.
For a student purchasing a machine that is likely to be needed for college, there may be specifics required by the school that demands Windows of some flavor (the school might, for example, insist on some applications that have no Mac counterpart). Prerequisites like these make the choice for us, and now that XP is officially off the table, our choice has been limited for us. I simply find that irritating at the least, because when I compare the operation of a 64bit XP machine, with Max, Illustrator, two virtual machines, Visual Studio, a couple of browsers, Photoshop and Nero burning a DVD - all at the same time - against the same usage pattern under Vista, I find that Vista is lacking performance and occasionally can't even run what I need.
For that matter, I can't use a Mac for this profile, either - but I can't promote XP, and most people don't use their computers like I use mine. At present, my iMac is used primarily for cross-platform development compilations and testing. I'd like it to do more for me, and I can't run XP or Vista in parallels with sufficient performance for applications like 3DS Max to make that a viable option.
Yet, when someone else I know is considering a computer - I don't typically jump to a suggestion until I know what they intend their computer to do for them. I might even be able to suggest Ubuntu for some, and, frankly, that works in some cases.
I disagree, while XP x64 is far better than most people believe, it has far more program incompatiblity and issues than Vista x64 does. There are ways around most of them with various Hacks, but in a basic users life Vista x64 will give them an easier time.
Did anyone ever find out if the kid got his Mac?
As for Vista...I did all the Alpha/Beta tests, including RC's and RTM versions [having a corporate MSDN and TECHNET subscriptions help!], and having used the latest SP1, it's still a POS.
Don't get me wrong, it's not that it doesn't work. It boots, it gets on the Internet, yada yada yada...But from a corporate standpoint it junk. I'm sure PC enthusiasts will play with it, and like it. There may even be some small businesses that will use it, because they just bought 10 - 15 HP Pavilions from Office Max and didn't know any better. But for those businesses that have custom applications, or corporate apps [Lawson ERP Systems, Billing/AP/AR Systems, Clinical Applications, etc.] no way. I've contacted better than half of our vendors who supply us with systems [GE Software, ADP, Lawson, etc.] and all of them are still months away from offering support for Vista. In fact it was almost 6 months after it's initial release that the corporate editions of Anti-Virus [Trend Micro, Symantec, McAfee] were available for Vista. Prior to that you had to use a BETA product, or nothing at all...SCARY!
I agree with the others on this thread that stated that it was a disaster for MS, and it still is. NO company should allow users to "Downgrade" due to instability and incompatibility. Especially when the reasons Vista was delayed so long was to "include backward compatibility"; not my words, but the infamous Steve "I jump around the stage like a jackass" Ballmer....
As for Vista...I did all the Alpha/Beta tests, including RC's and RTM versions [having a corporate MSDN and TECHNET subscriptions help!], and having used the latest SP1, it's still a POS.
Don't get me wrong, it's not that it doesn't work. It boots, it gets on the Internet, yada yada yada...But from a corporate standpoint it junk. I'm sure PC enthusiasts will play with it, and like it. There may even be some small businesses that will use it, because they just bought 10 - 15 HP Pavilions from Office Max and didn't know any better. But for those businesses that have custom applications, or corporate apps [Lawson ERP Systems, Billing/AP/AR Systems, Clinical Applications, etc.] no way. I've contacted better than half of our vendors who supply us with systems [GE Software, ADP, Lawson, etc.] and all of them are still months away from offering support for Vista. In fact it was almost 6 months after it's initial release that the corporate editions of Anti-Virus [Trend Micro, Symantec, McAfee] were available for Vista. Prior to that you had to use a BETA product, or nothing at all...SCARY!
I agree with the others on this thread that stated that it was a disaster for MS, and it still is. NO company should allow users to "Downgrade" due to instability and incompatibility. Especially when the reasons Vista was delayed so long was to "include backward compatibility"; not my words, but the infamous Steve "I jump around the stage like a jackass" Ballmer....
But to the OP:
Did you ever get your Mac?
Last April, my parents bought me a Dell for my graduation present. My older brother was fresh with programing, and told them a Mac is pointless, and I don't need one (even though my job and schooling are both all-Mac, but regardless) so they got me a Dell Inspiron E1505.
It was free, so I didn't complain once. I've used it for over a year while saving up for a MacBook. Now I can sell it to pay for ~1/2 of the cost of a MacBook. Not saying you need to be more appreciative... I say try and get them to listen to you. But if they don't, just deal with it until you get your own.
Although, a previous poster had a great comment about buying the MacBook yourself, and offering for your parents to get a printer or something. Good idea!
Did you ever get your Mac?
Last April, my parents bought me a Dell for my graduation present. My older brother was fresh with programing, and told them a Mac is pointless, and I don't need one (even though my job and schooling are both all-Mac, but regardless) so they got me a Dell Inspiron E1505.
It was free, so I didn't complain once. I've used it for over a year while saving up for a MacBook. Now I can sell it to pay for ~1/2 of the cost of a MacBook. Not saying you need to be more appreciative... I say try and get them to listen to you. But if they don't, just deal with it until you get your own.
Although, a previous poster had a great comment about buying the MacBook yourself, and offering for your parents to get a printer or something. Good idea!
Don't do that. It's almost impossible to get OS X working flawlessly on a Dell. Trust me on that one
OSX86 is only reliable if you are an extreme hobbyist or have a major geek to get it to work for you. But let's not talk about this, or it will turn into the clone wars.
They only way I would do it now (OSx86) is if I was able to build my own and run MY (Not kalyway's or iAtkos's) own version of Leopard.
clone wars... hahaha that just made my day. lol
Dude, first learn your stuff and then pretend to be the master. *OF COURSE* the erroneous network is not in my preferred network list. How would clearing the preferred network list help? I am telling you for the umpteenth time that the problem is not windows wireless connections. It's some other program which hijacked the process (with windows happily allowing it to do so) and which is trying to connect to some nonexistent network. And which I cannot figure out how to access to instruct it to stop doing that, because windows is of little help.
So my recommendation to you, dude, go back to your creative stuff. Manage your creative department. People like you cannot even figure out the tip at a restaurant, to say nothing of serious stuff like managing a computer network, especially in such user-nonfriendly environment as microsoft windows.
As for me, I am happy typing away at my macbook pro, which never freezes, never breaks down, always works, and does all I want right away without any efforts on my part. While my thinkpad is collecting dust somewhere in a desk drawer.
So far I've found only one program that ran on XP 32 bit that won't run in x64, and that was the zonealarm firewall.
Winzip complained, but runs fine (just didn't manage to make it's connections with the shell).
Both had the same problem with Vista x64
Not that I've run and tested everything, but most of the 'big' ones - though I'm not a gamer, so that could be a major headache I've never attempted.
I like your comment. It's very well written. When it comes to the OS, I "prefer" OS X, but that does not mean that I hate Windows nor that I hate Linux. I've recommended OS X for some users, and Windows for others. For example, for those who live in MSN Messenger, I recommend Windows.
This is the point I have stressed. Its a preference. Just depends on what you do, that is the deciding factor.
So, What happened? Did you get your Mac or did you have to settle? I was thinking what would be the harm in getting the PC and then buying your own . Is this for college because they would never have to know. I had this similar issue kinda, My girlfriend was getting a new computer for college and she originally wanted to buy a Toshiba or so she said, I brought over my Macbook and she suddenly wanted a Mac. The only problem was her mother didn't want to pay all the money, after we all visited our Apple Store and she realized that you ending up being able to get a printer and iPod for free (rebate) she suddenly thought it was a better idea.
Good Luck, and I hope you got/get what you really want.
. Is this for college because they would never have to know. I had this similar issue kinda, My girlfriend was getting a new computer for college and she originally wanted to buy a Toshiba or so she said, I brought over my Macbook and she suddenly wanted a Mac. The only problem was her mother didn't want to pay all the money, after we all visited our Apple Store and she realized that you ending up being able to get a printer and iPod for free (rebate) she suddenly thought it was a better idea. Good Luck, and I hope you got/get what you really want.
Ok. So working for a braodcasting station that allows us to use nearly 250 PC networked for our rendering process (yes my entire team makes sure it works ok and not our network managers) is not a case where we should be giving advice to people like you right??
And that is the case you know. You are right. Your brain does not allow you to think so now you have OS X and you're happy.
Problem is not everybody is like that and I was making sure the OP understands this. I'm happy he went for a Mac after all of this cause at least I know he sure knows what HE wants. No matter what goes next he will be happy.
You on the other hand should eductate yourself a bit more cause EVEN if it's some app that request for the access then you simply should find which and there is more than a thousand tools that will do it in less than 10 seconds. GOOGLE is your friend.
Problem is that it's overwhelming for you and I understand it now so enjoy your Macbook
OP? What happened? Please an update would do fine? I'm dying to see if you are getting your Mac.
Also, to those people arguing Vista vs Leopard, stop it, seriously. Both sides are just now trolling. The kid wants a Mac and asks how to convince his parents to get one. He is not asking which operating system to get. Also, both are good, both have bad parts. There is no 100% perfect OS.
Also, to those people arguing Vista vs Leopard, stop it, seriously. Both sides are just now trolling. The kid wants a Mac and asks how to convince his parents to get one. He is not asking which operating system to get. Also, both are good, both have bad parts. There is no 100% perfect OS.
At the very least, you could get a Mac Mini, monitor, and input devices for the price of a mid-range PC.
Show her the studies which find people are more creative when using Macs
Show her the studies which find people are more creative when using Macs
Ok. So working for a braodcasting station that allows us to use nearly 250 PC networked for our rendering process (yes my entire team makes sure it works ok and not our network managers) is not a case where we should be giving advice to people like you right??
And that is the case you know. You are right. Your brain does not allow you to think so now you have OS X and you're happy.
Problem is not everybody is like that and I was making sure the OP understands this. I'm happy he went for a Mac after all of this cause at least I know he sure knows what HE wants. No matter what goes next he will be happy.
You on the other hand should eductate yourself a bit more cause EVEN if it's some app that request for the access then you simply should find which and there is more than a thousand tools that will do it in less than 10 seconds. GOOGLE is your friend.
Problem is that it's overwhelming for you and I understand it now so enjoy your Macbook
So we've come full circle and back to what I've been saying all along. Yes, there are people who like to create problems for themselves so that they could brilliantly resolve them. Yes, there are people who like to buy windows PCs so that every time something breaks down they can demonstrate their skill, work all day long, utilize all the tools at their disposal, and solve the problem.
And then there're people who use Macs and who, while the first types waste their time on fixing their PC, actually do productive work. Maybe not as glamorous, but far more satisfying!
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