My real world experience with TSMC vs Samsung

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  1. Markiie, Oct 10, 2015
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    Markiie macrumors 6502

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    As most of you know, earlier this week MacRumors posted that our iPhones 6s A9 chip sets were outsourced by two companies that being TSMC and Samsung and that there is or could be a possible discrepancy between the two chips in performance and/or battery life in the iPhone 6s Pluses. One user posted a geek bench battery life of 6hours and 5mins with a Samsung chipped phone and another of a TSMC Chipped phone of 7 hours and 50 mins. To me, that was a huge concern. For some of us who pay close to or over a thousand dollars for our devices, to have a difference of almost 2 hours of battery life and for some who really put a premium on battery life, thats something we can't ignore. Personally, 5-20 mins of battery life is probably normal between phones because of usage, testing, etc but when its getting into 1-2 hours that for me is a problem.

    For me, there was no way I was going to accept the fact that someone who has the same exact phone as me (I'm talking iPhone 6s Pluses only) spec for spec and them have almost 1-2 hours more of battery life than me. Of course, I immediately downloaded the Lirum App from the app store (before it was taken down but now its been put back up) and come to find out I had the Samsung chip in my phone. I charged my phone to 100 percent and ran the test down to 0 during the middle of the night where i don't normally get tons of email, text messages, etc. After my test was finished I arrived at 6 hours and 17 minutes. Clearly not the 7h and 50 mins that the reddit user posted on the Mac Rumor article. So next course of action was to get a hold of a TSMC phone which i knew was going to require a lot of luck because i could go to the Apple Store and do a exchange but that wasn't going to assure me of getting a TSMC built iPhone, but luckily for me I exchanged my Samsung chipped phone and got a TSMC. Saved me a lot of trouble (and probably Apple as well) because I was going to get a hold of one regardless.

    Anyway, I did a back up of my Samsung chipped iPhone on my Mac and loaded up this TSMC iPhone with the same exact apps, pictures, music, emails etc. to give it the most realistic apples to apples comparison that i could control. I ran the test in the middle of the night at almost the same time I did my first test to avoid text messages, email, etc and the result was exactly what i was expecting. This TSMC phone came in at 7 hours and 51 mins.


    Logically, Apple wants to claim only a 2-3 percent difference and maybe they're right but for me, I look at them saying something like that for damage control. They are trying to avoid people like me going into the store and exchanging their phone until they got a TSMC and honestly, why wouldn't we? Again, almost 2 hours of battery life is a huge deal. That is no where near the "2-3 percent." 505899-e909763c246ab85ec740d9e0191ef5aa.jpg IMG_0075.PNG
     
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    I've built my own Windows PC's for the last 15 years with intricate water cooling and air cooling contraptions bearing in mind I would be overclocking the CPU, RAM and motherboard to just under its maximum overclocked breaking point(where it fails at complex calculation) hardware details matter. The overclocking community has been highly interested in "performance" benchmarks like these results for a long time. Apple smartly so, has escaped the perils of having to worry about the "community at large" due to single sourcing the CPU's and hardware in general for all of their product lines.

    Part of me is somewhat glad that Apple finally gets to deal with a "hardware enthusiast market" who are arm chair demanding that the technology they buy "better be the best for the money". This is nothing new, the overclocking community has been doing this for years, it quite honestly it's how I got started in my IT career - the differences in "competing technologies" and how they functioned sparked a never ending interest which has allowed me to become successful in my career.

    So I say bring it on, I'm confident Apple will find a way to level the playing field between the 2 chips.
     
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    Real world yet you used a benchmarking app which pushes the phone to a level you wouldn't ever do in day to day use?

    This thread needs closing.
     
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    That's a big difference in battery life regardless.
     
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    Unfortunately your test doesn't prove anything since it was conducted in similar but not identical situation...
    The only valid test should be done in the exact same time, on two completely restored iPhones, without any third party apps installed ....
    And even that wouldn't be a definitive proof, since there are variations in every batch of phones, so you need a bigger number of iPhones to make a credible comparison.
     
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    Unfortunately we are going to see several threads like this ....
    indeed, but we don't even know if it's related to the SoC used...
     
  10. Markiie thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Really? Cause you hang out with me all day? You know what i use my phone for? Between getting 50-100 emails a day on my phone when I'm out on the field, driving to and from new locations while either listening to a podcast or watching a ball game on the sling box app (basically a device thats connected to my directv box), getting and making phone calls, sending and receiving text messages and maybe playing a game while I eat my lunch? Really? I don't push my phone?
     
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    thanks for the test.

    i believe that in "real world" usage this probably won't be the same,
    but still, the moment you have two types of very expensive devices that suppose to be the same,
    it's bad.
    if the benchmark would have been less that 30 minutes difference, it was reasonable.

    but what if i need one or two days a week of "power using"? like doing a lot of videos?

    then these 2 hours DO matter. a lot.

    so now i guess you'll tell me "well, buy a battery case"?????

    no. i shouldn't pay for an extra device just because i lost two crucial battery hours on a bad chip..
     
  12. Legionnaire macrumors 6502

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    Some of you people need to just sit back, quit safari and enjoy the phone.
     
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    Why not plug your pink phone into your car charger sweetie
     
  14. CraigGB macrumors regular

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    the thread title says your real world experience, yet your post has nothing but an artificial benchmark which totally contradicts the thread title, there is nothing in your post about real world experience.. :p

    unless of course you do spend all day every day doing nothing but running that benchmark test I guess :rolleyes:
     
  15. Markiie thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Wow! this guy know what kind of apps i have too? You guys must hang out with me all day and know whats on my phone?!?!?

    Just FYI, I have over 100 apps installed on my phone and over 4000 songs. I loaded all those apps and songs on both phones when i did the test. I did not test my samsung iPhone plus with the phone loaded with apps and the other bone dry out of the box.
     
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    I don't use the same car all the time hunnie. If you want to send me a few extra OEM lightning cables that would be nice of you sweetheart.
     
  17. keeper macrumors regular

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    I'm thinking the common theme to these subjects are Americans.....
     
  18. Markiie thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I know a lot of you are Apple honks and are trying to defend the product. If you look at my sig I've probably spent more money on Apple products than the casual person but I have to be honest here and i believe there is a huge difference between the two chips. Regardless if you guys believe in this method of testing the phone and want to question its validity to real world or not is completely your prerogative.
     
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    Its easy if you don't like it take it back, get a refund and end you woe's.
     
  21. tejota1911 macrumors 6502

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    So your "real world experience" consisted of running the same benchmark test that everybody else has already ran, and yielded the same result everybody else already knows. THE TSMC CHIP LASTS TWO HOURS LONGER THAN THE SAMSUNG CHIP ON THE GEEKBENCH BATTERY TEST!!! Just in case there are a couple people left in the world that haven't heard this yet.

    The question is: How long does the TSMC chip outlast the Samsung chip in REAL WORLD use? As in, day-to-day regular usage. This is harder to test, as it requires one of each phone, doing the exact same things, at the exact same time. This also depends on the user's primary usage. For example, I don't shoot 4K video, then edit it in iMovie. So, that kind of test won't accurately determine which chip is better for my usage. How much of a difference is present, if any, during extended Safari browsing?

    Yes, I have the Samsung chip in my 6S+. My wife has the TSMC chip in her 6S. We both have been happy with our phones. Coming from a 6, I have no complaints with the battery life of my 6S+, and I have no plans of returning it.
     
  22. roeiz macrumors 6502a

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    too bad they're not the same models..
    you could have switched phones without her knowing :D
     
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    Can anyone suggest me some good games I can play for 8 hours straight on my iPhone? That's the new thing, right?
     
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    Whatever ... I don't care how many apps or songs you have.
    The only scientific test should be with two phones without any apps and performed at the same time.
    You didn't.
    And a test performed on two units is statistically insignificant... You could have a slightly subpar Samsung and a slightly better than normal TSMC, thus the difference
     
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    The thought did cross my mind.
     

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