My real world experience with TSMC vs Samsung

[Prince134]

Looking at the web all over the world, US, Japan, China, Taiwan, Europe which in discussion about this issue, this has been statistically significant that TSMC A9 is 20-30% more power efficient than the Samsung. I'd bet the sample size is way over 30. You can't call it not significant. So apple has to do something to compensate those who purchased iPhone 6s or 6s plus with Samsung chip. No matter what Apple say about the 2-3% differences between normal people's normal usage of their phone. It's not going to comfort people who care about it.

What do you think if you buy a new car with different outsourced parts ( I believe this is common in car industry), and you found your car engine is 20-30% less fuel efficient than another same new car when you NEED the power (he, when you accelerate or climbing). Will you claim to exchange one or report to government agency for investigation? Let's say your normal person?

If Apple makes mistake, we should let the company know that they should do something. A lot of people ignore that fact but claiming themselves not feeling any difference, please think about how much money you paid and how much money apple made on these phones especially they out-sourced to two companies risk themselves for the cpu only wants to cost down by purchasing chips from two competing companies.

Be good to human being.

 

[heshirecat]

Ya. I think something will come out of it, even if its just changes to how they do next years phone. "Bend-gate" was not even an actual issue. They had like 12 people that actually bent their phones. It had the same bendability as the HTC M8 and several other phones yet Apple decided to make the 6s stronger even at the cost of weight.

I Feel bad for Apple about this whole thing. The iPhone is their biggest product and they try so hard to please everyone with it. I'm sure they had a CPU they tested from Samsung and thought "perfect", but then TSMC out did them. They have such little time to get the latest tech manufactured and get it ready to ship that small issues like this can be easily overlooked. sucks for everyone.

I don't feel bad for them at all. They still earn a ton of profit from selling these phones. This isn't an Android phone where the capabilities and experience can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. The benefit of Apple is that it's the sole provider of hardware so it can ensure that everyone can expect a reasonably equal experience. This experience should include customers who use the phone from each end of the spectrum and not just the average user. This a premium phone being sold at a premium price. High expectations come along with that.

 

[jtrue28]

LOUD NOISES!!!!!

 

[Hieveryone]

As most of you know, earlier this week MacRumors posted that our iPhones 6s A9 chip sets were outsourced by two companies that being TSMC and Samsung and that there is or could be a possible discrepancy between the two chips in performance and/or battery life in the iPhone 6s Pluses. One user posted a geek bench battery life of 6hours and 5mins with a Samsung chipped phone and another of a TSMC Chipped phone of 7 hours and 50 mins. To me, that was a huge concern. For some of us who pay close to or over a thousand dollars for our devices, to have a difference of almost 2 hours of battery life and for some who really put a premium on battery life, thats something we can't ignore. Personally, 5-20 mins of battery life is probably normal between phones because of usage, testing, etc but when its getting into 1-2 hours that for me is a problem.

For me, there was no way I was going to accept the fact that someone who has the same exact phone as me (I'm talking iPhone 6s Pluses only) spec for spec and them have almost 1-2 hours more of battery life than me. Of course, I immediately downloaded the Lirum App from the app store (before it was taken down but now its been put back up) and come to find out I had the Samsung chip in my phone. I charged my phone to 100 percent and ran the test down to 0 during the middle of the night where i don't normally get tons of email, text messages, etc. After my test was finished I arrived at 6 hours and 17 minutes. Clearly not the 7h and 50 mins that the reddit user posted on the Mac Rumor article. So next course of action was to get a hold of a TSMC phone which i knew was going to require a lot of luck because i could go to the Apple Store and do a exchange but that wasn't going to assure me of getting a TSMC built iPhone, but luckily for me I exchanged my Samsung chipped phone and got a TSMC. Saved me a lot of trouble (and probably Apple as well) because I was going to get a hold of one regardless.

Anyway, I did a back up of my Samsung chipped iPhone on my Mac and loaded up this TSMC iPhone with the same exact apps, pictures, music, emails etc. to give it the most realistic apples to apples comparison that i could control. I ran the test in the middle of the night at almost the same time I did my first test to avoid text messages, email, etc and the result was exactly what i was expecting. This TSMC phone came in at 7 hours and 51 mins.

Logically, Apple wants to claim only a 2-3 percent difference and maybe they're right but for me, I look at them saying something like that for damage control. They are trying to avoid people like me going into the store and exchanging their phone until they got a TSMC and honestly, why wouldn't we? Again, almost 2 hours of battery life is a huge deal. That is no where near the "2-3 percent." View attachment 591410View attachment 591418

What test did you run? They said 2-3% with normal use.

 

[roeiz]

it's a simple question:

why should people pay the same price for a better phone?

 

[evorc]

We seriously needed another thread? What's worst this guy is confused what real world test is lol.

 

[macfoxpro]

Wow, so many people are so pissed off....livid.
Oh, and I am not talking about the people that are having issues with their batteries and wanting them resolved.

 

[macfoxpro]

Unfortunately we are going to see several threads like this ....
indeed, but we don't even know if it's related to the SoC used...

People, people, people, Max(IT) will let you know if and when your phone is having issues.

 

[Kapybarus]

I suspect new update which will criple tsmc battery performance so draining is evenly distributed between tsmc and samsung. Or make tsmc laggier "because of fat, super savy chip". Some magic should be done.

 

[Ulenspiegel]

People, people, people, Max(IT) will let you know if and when your phone is having issues.

ROTFLMAO.

 

[Prince134]

Looking at the web all over the world, US, Japan, China, Taiwan, Europe which in discussion about this issue, this has been statistically significant that TSMC A9 is 20-30% more power efficient than the Samsung. I'd bet the sample size is way over 30. You can't call it not significant. So apple has to do something to compensate those who purchased iPhone 6s or 6s plus with Samsung chip. No matter what Apple say about the 2-3% differences between normal people's normal usage of their phone. It's not going to comfort people who care about it.

What do you think if you buy a new car with different outsourced parts ( I believe this is common in car industry), and you found your car engine is 20-30% less fuel efficient than another same new car when you NEED the power (he, when you accelerate or climbing). Will you claim to exchange one or report to government agency for investigation? Let's say your normal person?

If Apple makes mistake, we should let the company know that they should do something. A lot of people ignore that fact but claiming themselves not feeling any difference, please think about how much money you paid and how much money apple made on these phones especially they out-sourced to two companies risk themselves for the cpu only wants to cost down by purchasing chips from two competing companies.

Be good to human being.

I do not have either 6s or 6plus. But I believe the thing we are discussing is a fact rather than some blog's bias opinion. No matter if you are APPLE fan or not you should react correctly, i.e. what's good to you, and APPLE. I think APPLE should compensate consumer but not trying to cover it. It sounds some people here are helping APPLE to cover it...

 

[Lobwedgephil]

Is this thread a joke?

 

[maka344]

Just like Apple last year said only 9 reported bent iPhones!

However, both perform as per Apple specs quoted on paper. Only difference is some people are getting better battery than spec!

 

[cableguy84]

Chipgate is real everyone needs to accept it, im not worrying though, ive got the TSMC

 

[CBR900RR]

This is real world usage (84% video) 5:52:00, which is inline with the benchmark 5:48:30

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[lolwatpear]

Yes, this is very real, and those in denial (people with Samsung lol) need to accept it. Those of us blessed with superior iPhones do not look down upon you, however, we recognize that our iPhones are a better computer with a better CPU. Whenever a person asks me what iPhone I have, I respond with, "I have a TSMC iPhone 6s of course. What else would be in my pocket?"

 

[Markiie]

This is real world usage (84% video) 5:52:00, which is inline with the benchmark 5:48:30

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I really wish I would've done something like this. Thank you for sharing.

 

[cableguy84]

Yes, this is very real, and those in denial (people with Samsung lol) need to accept it. Those of us blessed with superior iPhones do not look down upon you, however, we recognize that our iPhones are a better computer with a better CPU. Whenever a person asks me what iPhone I have, I respond with, "I have a TSMC iPhone 6s of course. What else would be in my pocket?"

Im sorry but i have no sympathy for the samsung guys. They were the first ones claiming they had the superior chip when this whole thing started lol.
What comes around goes around

 

[ultravisitor]

And as i mentioned, i wouldn't say I'm a power user but I'm definitely not casual. Between receiving and sending out between 50-100 emails a day, a crazy ass girlfriend who blows up my phone with texts with pictures of stuff she finds on instagram or my boys talking **** about the football games on group chat, checking fantasy stats, watching TV on my phone or playing games, or making face time calls, yea my phone gets slammed daily.

Actually, I'd say that's definitely casual use, as that kind of activity is exactly what most people do on their phones.

I mean, it's not like you're spending all day each and every day encoding video.

 

[j2ee]

As most of you know, earlier this week MacRumors posted that our iPhones 6s A9 chip sets were outsourced by two companies that being TSMC and Samsung and that there is or could be a possible discrepancy between the two chips in performance and/or battery life in the iPhone 6s Pluses. One user posted a geek bench battery life of 6hours and 5mins with a Samsung chipped phone and another of a TSMC Chipped phone of 7 hours and 50 mins. To me, that was a huge concern. For some of us who pay close to or over a thousand dollars for our devices, to have a difference of almost 2 hours of battery life and for some who really put a premium on battery life, thats something we can't ignore. Personally, 5-20 mins of battery life is probably normal between phones because of usage, testing, etc but when its getting into 1-2 hours that for me is a problem.

For me, there was no way I was going to accept the fact that someone who has the same exact phone as me (I'm talking iPhone 6s Pluses only) spec for spec and them have almost 1-2 hours more of battery life than me. Of course, I immediately downloaded the Lirum App from the app store (before it was taken down but now its been put back up) and come to find out I had the Samsung chip in my phone. I charged my phone to 100 percent and ran the test down to 0 during the middle of the night where i don't normally get tons of email, text messages, etc. After my test was finished I arrived at 6 hours and 17 minutes. Clearly not the 7h and 50 mins that the reddit user posted on the Mac Rumor article. So next course of action was to get a hold of a TSMC phone which i knew was going to require a lot of luck because i could go to the Apple Store and do a exchange but that wasn't going to assure me of getting a TSMC built iPhone, but luckily for me I exchanged my Samsung chipped phone and got a TSMC. Saved me a lot of trouble (and probably Apple as well) because I was going to get a hold of one regardless.

Anyway, I did a back up of my Samsung chipped iPhone on my Mac and loaded up this TSMC iPhone with the same exact apps, pictures, music, emails etc. to give it the most realistic apples to apples comparison that i could control. I ran the test in the middle of the night at almost the same time I did my first test to avoid text messages, email, etc and the result was exactly what i was expecting. This TSMC phone came in at 7 hours and 51 mins.

Logically, Apple wants to claim only a 2-3 percent difference and maybe they're right but for me, I look at them saying something like that for damage control. They are trying to avoid people like me going into the store and exchanging their phone until they got a TSMC and honestly, why wouldn't we? Again, almost 2 hours of battery life is a huge deal. That is no where near the "2-3 percent." View attachment 591410View attachment 591418

Apple says "in real life" condition test, in term of Apple own "real life" definition. So your benchmark test is definitely not what Apple tested.

 

[gimmmick]

This is real world usage (84% video) 5:52:00, which is inline with the benchmark 5:48:30

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I wish I had a job and free time in my life where I can watch videos all day. Must be nice to live a relaxed life of a high school / college student.

 

[Mlrollin91]

I wish I had a job and free time in my life where I can watch videos all day. Must be nice to live a relaxed life of a high school / college student.

Even in college I didn't have time for sitting around and relaxing! I was either at school, work or catching up on some sleep. Even now out of school getting ready for law school and working I dont have 5-6 hours to blow watching videos.

Additionally, I don't know how 84% video is "real world usage". No one. And I literally mean no one is watching 5 hours of video on their phone every single day.

 

[MICHAELSD]

Even in college I didn't have time for sitting around and relaxing! I was either at school, work or catching up on some sleep. Even now out of school getting ready for law school and working I dont have 5-6 hours to blow watching videos.

Additionally, I don't know how 84% video is "real world usage". No one. And I literally mean no one is watching 5 hours of video on their phone every single day.

Some people literally forgo a TV to watch on their phones/tablets.

 

[Mlrollin91]

Some people literally forgo a TV to watch on their phones/tablets.

Yes. That I am aware of. But 5-6 hours a day every day is highly, highly unlikely.

Point being. One test of video for 5-6 hours does not constitute real world usage.

 

[ultravisitor]

Some people literally forgo a TV to watch on their phones/tablets.

Gross.