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I'm not sure they are taking any loss except for shipping to and fro, my bet is they are conditioning these returns back to factory specs, resetting battery so it's not more than 5 cycles and packing them back up and selling as new. The new owner would never know someone else returned it weeks before.

It is illegal to do this. It is a misrepresentation of condition of the goods. Apple would not only face public outcry but huge fines. The units end up in the refurnished section and Apple has to write down the delta between the new and refurbished price (20% or more). This delta is what Tim Cook and the rest of the operation team factor into the price.
 
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I think the only positive thing we all can conclude from this is that Apple is giving you some excellent customer service, no one can debate that. The debatable part is if shaking a laptop is considered normal use. I wouldn't really think to do that ever. I mean why would I do that? But you're the owner and you can do with it what you please. If you were having hardware issues, or software issues that's completely different.
 
There is absolutely zero chance that is happening. If anyone ever spilled the beans it would be devastating. They sell it refurbished and most likely that price is the at cost.
Not even close to cost. Apple has the advantage of economies of scale and one of the highest profit margins in the industry. A $3000 MBP likely costs around $1500 to manufacture. Apple sells refurbished units for about 10%-15% less than new. That still leaves 35%-40% in profit margins. That's how/why Apple is approaching a one trillion dollar company.
 
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You are getting incredible customer service that is great to see, so thanks for sharing your Tim Cook story. But holy freakin' smokes, what first world problems! Once you get yet another custom built replacement, get back to work and enjoy life, it is fleeting!
 
I noticed the screen rattle a few weeks ago and have been dealing with Apple to get it fixed (before seeing this thread). I just picked up my MacBook from Apple. The screen was supposed to be replaced, but I have just been told they did not do it, since the replacement screen had the same rattle and so the noise is "Expected behavior".

To be honest, the only reason it bothers me is that I use the laptop in my lap a lot, and shifting my legs results in a *clack* noise as whatever it is in the screen that can move shifts to the other side. On a desk, it is obviously a non-issue, since there is no movement of the laptop.
 
I noticed the screen rattle a few weeks ago and have been dealing with Apple to get it fixed (before seeing this thread). I just picked up my MacBook from Apple. The screen was supposed to be replaced, but I have just been told they did not do it, since the replacement screen had the same rattle and so the noise is "Expected behavior".

To be honest, the only reason it bothers me is that I use the laptop in my lap a lot, and shifting my legs results in a *clack* noise as whatever it is in the screen that can move shifts to the other side. On a desk, it is obviously a non-issue, since there is no movement of the laptop.

@WhiteWhaleHolyGrail Another example of what I was referring to.

@janezblond Good thing they checked the new display before they put a screwdriver to your machine.
 
I had the same rattle as your first Macbook. Took a lot of pain to return it to Apple and get a new one but my new one is free of rattling :) It is nice to see that I wasn't the only one with the problem I hope your next one will be fine as well.
 
I noticed the screen rattle a few weeks ago and have been dealing with Apple to get it fixed (before seeing this thread). I just picked up my MacBook from Apple. The screen was supposed to be replaced, but I have just been told they did not do it, since the replacement screen had the same rattle and so the noise is "Expected behavior".

I would not call it "expected behavior", but it is common. If you go the OPs linked page you see he found it in 25% of the machines he tried at his Apple store.

For all I know mine might have it and I would never know, because I do not shake the unit from side to side.
 
I would not call it "expected behavior", but it is common. If you go the OPs linked page you see he found it in 25% of the machines he tried at his Apple store.

For all I know mine might have it and I would never know, because I do not shake the unit from side to side.

The way I'm interpreting the "expected behavior" is that there are parts in the screen assembly that are not fixed in place, so a rattle is likely (but not guaranteed given the manufacturing tolerances). Is it ideal? Of course not. A deal breaker? Not for most, but I am personally a bit annoyed by it.
 
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Agreed. For the record, my brand new replacement makes the sound when tilted or shaken like in video #2 (albeit much quieter than in the video). I would have preferred one which didn't. But with the relatively low certainty that I would get a unit which didn't rattle, I have decided to just stick with it.

But seriously, sticky tape to hold this thing in place? Really Apple?
 
Just received my third. Seems much more solid inside and no keyboard popping. The hollowness and internal resonance seems to be something innate to this generation, maybe because their plans to fill the space with tiered batteries fell through? Can't fault Apple for wanting to put it right.
 
I have a crazy suggestion.... And, bear with me, because it's unconventional, to say the least. Some might call it unorthodox, controversial even. Taboo in certain cultures, for sure. But - it may help with your issue, so here goes:

Maybe.... you know.... don't shake your laptops?

Strange, I know, but not shaking laptops is said to prevent rattle caused by shaking in 99% of the cases, with the exception of earthquakes and train rides.


P.S. This is meant to be a joke, but seriously, don't shake your laptops.

I'd have to
I did read the post, I even read the blog post and checked out the videos, because I was curious.

On video 1, I don't understand what's going on, I see you pounding on your MBP with your finger and there is noise. Yes, when you pound a metal object with your index finger, you can hear sounds. When you hit the area next to the trackpad I just hear a thump, and when you move on to the trackpad, I hear the Force trackpad clicking. Now, I can't tell if the sound I'm hearing is just the sound distortion when recorded, it may or may not sound a bit "metalic" and rattly, but I can't tell from the video if this is normal or not, so I'll have to take your word for it.

Then again, you are a guy who goes around an Apple store shaking computers - so I don't know what to think. Do you know how that looks to me? Anyway, my sarcastic comments were directed at the video 2 - do you really care if there is noise when you shake your computer like that? I don't get it.

I'm sorry if I got you upset or anything, I made a joke and I apologize. Getting 3 computers with the same issue, I don't know, to me that sounds like the issue is not in the computers - so I'll leave this thread. Good luck with your MacBooks.

I have to disagree with you in the sense that the way he fairly lightly shakes the computer in video 2, there absolutely should NOT be that sound. A sound like that inidcates somthing might be loose inside the computer. If so, thats a problem. With these laptops everything is glued/screwed down to perfection. A sound like that, even if it takes heavy shaking - shouldnt be there
 
It is a normal behaviour for sure.. Not me saying but a SVP from apple that I had a mail chain.. Here is the proof.. I cannot say who replied to me.. (famous and makes jokes a lot..:)

" Q: My replacement laptop the same issue with the first one (loose from screen) …

A: The way the backlight films are contained within the enclosure is expected to produce some small noise as they shift when you tilt the machine.
You can tell if what you are hearing is this normal / expected behavior by gently pinching the display bezel, halfway between the edge of the computer in the camera, while you tilt the computer. If that makes the noise go away, then your system is behaving as designed."
 
A: The way the backlight films are contained within the enclosure is expected to produce some small noise as they shift when you tilt the machine.
You can tell if what you are hearing is this normal / expected behavior by gently pinching the display bezel, halfway between the edge of the computer in the camera, while you tilt the computer. If that makes the noise go away, then your system is behaving as designed."

I was told the same thing by a senior advisor almost verbatim.
 
This is not about the noise caused by the loose plastic diffuser in the display when you shake it.

Ahem.

MacBook Pro #4 finally arrived at the Apple Store today. It still makes a metallic clank if I plonk it down onto my desk, but it doesn't clank along with my typing, so it's the least bad one so far. Looks like this one's a keeper!
 
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I'm not sure they are taking any loss except for shipping to and fro, my bet is they are conditioning these returns back to factory specs, resetting battery so it's not more than 5 cycles and packing them back up and selling as new. The new owner would never know someone else returned it weeks before.
NO they are not doing this, as it is against the law. Even if only the seal/plastic is broken, the device is considered used. Apple, under law, cannot sell as brand new.
 
This has got to be the craziest, most OCD infused thread I have seen in my 5 years of belonging to Mac Rumors. I can shake my 2016 MacBook Pro and also hear a slight noise but I have to shake it pretty dam hard. I personally do not think there is something wrong with it just because of that!
 
This is my 3rd MacBook Pro and thanks to reading complaint threads here, this is the only one that has been subjected to my version of QC. This poor computer has been shaken, searched with a flashlight for scratches or other flaws, checked for loose screen fitting, tapped for unusual clanking and every key has been tested for stickiness or lack of sound or other malfunction. I'm happy to report that all is well. It has a slight uneven screen tint that most people wouldn't notice and I'm working on not noticing it. I hope everyone with returns/exchanges will find a device they are happy with.
 
I have the same issue in vid #2, they told me this is normal. But its is very load.
 
My MBP does make the "clunk" when placed on a table, but as long as it doesn't affect usage of the machine I can't bring myself to care too much. It's been great otherwise.
 
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This is not about the noise caused by the loose plastic diffuser in the display when you shake it.

Ahem.

MacBook Pro #4 finally arrived at the Apple Store today. It still makes a metallic clank if I plonk it down onto my desk, but it doesn't clank along with my typing, so it's the least bad one so far. Looks like this one's a keeper!

does it still make rattle B ? I got a replacement for rattle B and it is still there in the new one but it is not as loud, though I think it will get louder over time.
 
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