With my phone jailbroken it could take about 15seconds to open the txt message app, now only about 3. Same with many other apps although the txt app was particularly slow.
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My Thoughts Now I've (Finally) Jailbroken - I'm A Little Underwhelmed...
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With my phone jailbroken it could take about 15seconds to open the txt message app, now only about 3. Same with many other apps although the txt app was particularly slow.
TheSpaz
macrumors 604
Okay, so the other day I was comparing side to side my jailbroken first gen iPhone with my non jailbroken iPhone 3G.
Here are some facts:
First gen iPhone: Fresh jailbreak with no backup restored. No Cydia or Installer.
- Compared to the iPhone 3G, the first gen iPhone was SLIGHTLY slower than the 3G at opening apps. I tried Calendar, SMS, Notes and Clock since those are unaffected by the internet. The iPhone was slower by a FRACTION of a second ALWAYS.
- Next, I restored my first gen iPhone and didn't apply any jailbreak.
- The first gen iPhone was almost always opening apps at the same time as the 3G
- In a few instances, the first gen was actually faster (but, I think this is due to being fresh and not restored to a previous backup)
- Most of the time it tied with the 3G though.
Please note, I restarted both iPhones before I started testing. Also, I opened the apps a bunch of times each so I would be sure the slowdown wasn't from the fact that I was launching the apps for the first time after boot (which is always a little slower because the apps aren't cached at that point).
Conclusion: The iPhone does run a fraction of a second slower just by jailbreaking it without installing ANYTHING extra. So to say you don't get ANY lag after having a bunch of extra background processes running is total bunk. Jailbreaking alone, makes the iPhone slower. I tested this myself.
I'm lucky, I have 2 iPhones I can experiment with. By the way, I'm not lying about any of this... I truly *do* see these results.
Here are some facts:
First gen iPhone: Fresh jailbreak with no backup restored. No Cydia or Installer.
- Compared to the iPhone 3G, the first gen iPhone was SLIGHTLY slower than the 3G at opening apps. I tried Calendar, SMS, Notes and Clock since those are unaffected by the internet. The iPhone was slower by a FRACTION of a second ALWAYS.
- Next, I restored my first gen iPhone and didn't apply any jailbreak.
- The first gen iPhone was almost always opening apps at the same time as the 3G
- In a few instances, the first gen was actually faster (but, I think this is due to being fresh and not restored to a previous backup)
- Most of the time it tied with the 3G though.
Please note, I restarted both iPhones before I started testing. Also, I opened the apps a bunch of times each so I would be sure the slowdown wasn't from the fact that I was launching the apps for the first time after boot (which is always a little slower because the apps aren't cached at that point).
Conclusion: The iPhone does run a fraction of a second slower just by jailbreaking it without installing ANYTHING extra. So to say you don't get ANY lag after having a bunch of extra background processes running is total bunk. Jailbreaking alone, makes the iPhone slower. I tested this myself.
I'm lucky, I have 2 iPhones I can experiment with. By the way, I'm not lying about any of this... I truly *do* see these results.
xUKHCx
Administrator emeritus
Wrong. You are testing two variables here and can not state that one of them is the cause of the issue that you see.
I have directly compared my iPhone 1st gen with a friends 1st gen iPhone both stock except for jailbreak and there was no difference. I then installed the apps I use from the jailbreak community and again no difference. Of course when you start adding in complex themes and background process is when you see the difference but the assertion that jailbreaking in itself slows down the phone is wrong, in my experience, and the tests you have done do not amount to the conclusion you have given.
TheSpaz
macrumors 604
I used PwnageTool... I don't know if that makes a difference, but I used PwnageTool and chose not to install Cydia or Installer. I can't tell you why I got the results I got, but it's the truth... I'm being as honest as I possibly can. I'm not making crap up.
I think you missed when I said it was a fraction of a second slower... That's not that significant, but I'm just posting my findings.
jcde7ago
macrumors 6502
You guys ever heard of the term, "Your mileage may vary?"
Just because people come to different conclusions makes none of them ultimately right or wrong. People are going to say they experience negligible lag, like in my case as I support jailbreaking, and those who are going to see the lag are going to say the opposite most likely because they do not care for jailbreaking. Who knows, it could be psychosomatic, that people are so hell-bent on LOOKING for lag that they notice it, and those of us who really don't give a crap about another FRACTION of a second don't look for it. If that fraction of a second is that important to some of you, like i said before, take 5 minutes less on the crapper and buy your time back. You guys are beating a dead horse here 🙄
Just because people come to different conclusions makes none of them ultimately right or wrong. People are going to say they experience negligible lag, like in my case as I support jailbreaking, and those who are going to see the lag are going to say the opposite most likely because they do not care for jailbreaking. Who knows, it could be psychosomatic, that people are so hell-bent on LOOKING for lag that they notice it, and those of us who really don't give a crap about another FRACTION of a second don't look for it. If that fraction of a second is that important to some of you, like i said before, take 5 minutes less on the crapper and buy your time back. You guys are beating a dead horse here 🙄
TheSpaz
macrumors 604
What I'm saying is simply this.
Jailbreaking introduces a slight lag. Then things you add ontop of that introduce more lag (like mobileSubstrate stuff and WinterBoard especially). So since it lags right off the bat, I don't feel good about even jailbreaking because then, I'll obsess over the lag and I WILL be looking for it. Staying stock gives me piece of mind that everything is running as intended to the best that it can run with what Apple has given us. I'm not saying stock is without bugs, but jailbreak and introduce non-Apple bugs? No thank you. I'd like to keep my iPhone as clean as possible for right now.
jcde7ago
macrumors 6502
So Apple-bugs are ok? And FWIW, i bet if you go in there and manually delete half of what Apple gave you it would run even FASTER! No offense, but it definitely sounds like fanboy mentality that you're giving off here...Apple didn't even have time to get it right until 2.2 came out. And the attitude that "if you have less crap on it, the faster it's going to be" obviously goes for a lot of things in life, but isn't an option for those who want that functionality.
I appreciate that you're trying to stay true to how the iPhone was crafted, but blindly following Apple and believing that what they do is Gospel is pretty ridiculous IMHO. Sorry to say, but Apple doesn't always have the best interests of its iPhone customers at heart, and they've proven that with how restrictive they've been, ever since the 1st gen iPhone. Many jailbroken programmers have implemented functionality that Apple has for one reason or another refused to implement, not because it can't be done, but because either a) they flat out don't want to or b) they're trying to milk the thing as much as they can. Just wait for the iPhone 4G, it will allow you guys to FINALLY take video...what a breakthrough!
Last thing i'll say is, if Apple can implement most of the functionality that jailbreaking has given me, like tethering, theming, voice navigation, root access, bluetooth file transfer, copy and paste, etc. and do this WITHOUT any added lag to the stock phone (keeping in mind that Apple-induced bugs/lag doesn't get any more of a free pass than jailbroken-induced bugs/lag) then I will solemnly swear that I will stick with only what Apple gave me for the rest of my iPhone's natural life. Everything is a give and take...what you're essentially saying is, if you go buy a car, the base model should include everything in it already from the dealer and you shouldn't have to pay for aftermarket parts because they cost more or might increase the necessary maintenance on the car...that's just how it works. The iPhone has an OS of its own, and thus is like every other computer. If you use the computer with only the bare OS minimums, it's going to fly...later down the road as you install more programs, etc., it's eventually going to bog down. The thing here to understand is that the lag will be there...even if Apple implements it. It's not just going to go away, because most of what's causing this "lag" is a hardware limitation, not because of poor programming. And so the question here is, how much time is all of the added functionality worth? I really doubt that stock iPhones will EVER get all of the functionalities of a jailbroken phone MINUS all the lag...I just do not see it happening. But if it does, i will be more than happy to concede and say that Apple is supreme all along...
xUKHCx
Administrator emeritus
You're findings are between an iPhone and an iPhone 3G. The differences there could easily be the causes of the lag you are seeing.
That is not my experience.
Seriously all the arguements you have made about lag across multiple threads in this iPhone forum is getting a little tiresome. If you don't like jailbreaking or feel it is not for you then why do you care so much about other people doing it.
TheSpaz
macrumors 604
I don't care if other people do it. I'm just sick of hearing people boast jailbreaking as "Doesn't cause lag at all". What about that dude that had everything under the sun installed (plus WinterBoard) and he didn't experience lag and had 35MB of free memory left over too! I think he's lying and he claims to be telling the truth. I'm here to say, I've done test after test and the jailbroken iPhone is always slower than the non-jailbroken iPhone. When I restored my original iPhone again, the lag was gone... how do you explain that?
No, they're not okay, but why add more?
xUKHCx
Administrator emeritus
Boast or making a statement. I have said many times I have done tests with my phone and have not seen any lag at all with just jailbreaking. Even with the few applications that I have put on my phone I do not experience any lag due to them being on the phone.
Oh yeah that dude 🙄
Some people make over exaggerations. Some people report the truth. It is a question of being alert enough to know the difference.
The problem here is that you continue to blindly harp on one side despite many people telling you otherwise. You have spread this all over the iPhone forums trying to brute force your point down every thread. This issue is covered under the forum rules.
TheSpaz
macrumors 604
Okay I'll stop. I was just posting my findings in the relevant threads that I was apart of. Just for the record, I'm done preaching about not jailbreaking. I'll just happily live with what I have and let others do what they want.
I've stated the same thing before as I've done that as well with a few iPhones and used a stop watch.
I have to state again. I'm NOT against JB'ing just the lag. If there was no lag I would be JB'n in an instant. I just can't handle the lag and slowdown that is inherent with a JB'n device.
Who's against JB'ing? I don't think I've ever read an anti JB'ing post here, just ones that state that one of the downsides to JB'ing is lag and that it's unfortunately unbearable for some who really want to enjoy JB'ing but can't put up with the lag.
It's seems highly unfair that one side of the discussion gets accused of pushing their opinion. In any discussion (and discussion is always healthy and should prosper instead of stagnating) has two sides.
It's an internet forum with every member having an opinion....thats healthy discussion imo.
From what I've noticed, having gone back and forth from JB to stock a number of times, I'd say that the act of jailbreaking itself doesn't cause enough lag to notice.
But then anything else installed to take advantage of the JB does slow it down - esp opening apps like SMS and contacts.
Winterboard is a major culprit along with things like the real time clock.
ATEOTD JBing is a personal choice and everyone should be free to do what they want to their device.
As for that dude who had everything under the sun installed and didn't notice a slow down at all. Well, that was just being silly.
But then anything else installed to take advantage of the JB does slow it down - esp opening apps like SMS and contacts.
Winterboard is a major culprit along with things like the real time clock.
ATEOTD JBing is a personal choice and everyone should be free to do what they want to their device.
As for that dude who had everything under the sun installed and didn't notice a slow down at all. Well, that was just being silly.
bruinsrme
macrumors 604
wow 12 people in my circle all jailbroken and far from being teenagers. The funnyhing is we all themed like crazy but most have resorted to the black background. Now its for funtionality and specific programs based on individual needs.
But all of us wish we were teens.