My Wii Review

Discussion in 'Console Games' started by darkwing, Mar 27, 2008.

  1. darkwing macrumors 65816

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    I bought a Wii at GameStop a couple weeks ago while I was in West Virginia because I heard Mario Kart was coming out and it would let you play with the GameCube controller. Smash Bros also lets you use the GC controller, so I figured for a reasonable price I could play two of my favorite franchises with a controller I love, and if I hate the new controls then I wouldn't be out too much money. With the Wii I picked up Smash Bros, Metroid Prime 3, and Zelda. Also Wii Play with a new remote.

    So, here's my review (coming from a PS3 owner):

    (Also, we all know the Wii doesn't do HD or optical audio so complaining about that here would be beyond stupid. If you want to hear fanboy rants, go elsewhere!)

    Hardware - I hate the pointing with a passion. It isn't real pointing because there's no calibration. If they would let you calibrate optionally, then I'd like it a lot more. I have a very large TV and so I'm not really pointing at all... it's just relative like a trackpad on a laptop. Your finger's position on the pad doesn't transform into cursor position on the screen. That's ok, because the trackpad isn't purporting to be a "pointing" device. With the Wii, you don't really point at the screen, you point at something, and all movement is relative from there. The only difference between that and a trackpad is that where you point always corresponds to some position somewhere. With a real calibration procedure, they could have made it so you could actually point at your screen and it would make sense. The accelerometers work very well and are more comfortable to use than the PS3's tilt control because your hands aren't bound together by the controller.) What I really like about the Wiimote and Nunchuck is that you can play games with your arms apart which is rather relaxing, when you aren't repeating the same motion over and over to get the lame pointing-based controls to work (more on that later.)

    Wii Sports - Every game on this disc is useless and lame, except bowling, and that's only fun when people are over. (We've all heard this before.) I think Tennis would have been cool if you could move the player yourself with the nunchuck, but you can't. Blah. Also, as a real bowler, I know that turning your wrist over yields no hook at all, but I guess it makes sense since they can't really detect if you're pulling your fingers out of the ball properly. Though, they could apply spin by you turning the hand slightly and pulling up hard as you let go of B.

    Wii Play - If you can't say anything nice.... games are useless, but packaging it as a tutorial is a neat idea.

    Super Smash Bros - Loved it, of course. Who wouldn't? My only complaint was that it felt exactly like the previous games... but then again, all fighting games play the same as before with new characters and graphics. Duh. I guess I never thought of it that way. So yeah, 10/10 of course.

    Zelda TP - Having a blast with it. I can see why some people are upset that the game seems to hold your hand as you play it. It really does, because often you enter a room and the camera zooms to where you need to go or Midna spoils it for you. However, I'm a big fan of JRPGs and this has elements of that with its story so that's ok. My only two gripes are that I'm left handed, so flipping the screen really stinks. (I'm in the minority here, obviously.) The other gripe is that sometimes Link swings his sword when I don't want him to (no penalty here) or won't swing it/take it out when I do want him to (big penalty here.) That's beyond frustrating. Plus, when I first became a wolf, it said A was dash and that didn't break the box. Took me like 5 minutes to figure out I needed to flick the remote to make him attack, but that doesn't really make sense because you're not holding a sword anymore. Perhaps they need a fang attachment controller you can put in your mouth and bite with.

    Metroid Prime 3 - Great graphics and story. Kinda feels a bit like Halo. Controls suck major balls, though. I have tried and tried and tried and can't get used to it. If only they'd let me use the GC controller. What's with all the gimmicky crap of grabbing things, pulling back, turning, and pushing back in? Might be fun if it actually worked. I push and push and push and then finally lean way forward while holding out the Wiimote and then she pushes in the stupid thing. I hate it. I'd honestly say the controls here are worse than Lair for PS3, but that's just my opinion. So far I'm giving it a 4/10. It's not a 1/10 because I'm hoping I can get used to the controls. I know for a fact, however, that I won't have as easy of a time playing this as MP1 or 2. Also, for a system that's supposedly so intuitive you pick it up and play without trouble, this is pretty bad.

    System is quiet except for all the clicking noises and stuff when a game loads. Volume quickly drowns that out. I'm really surprised my 60 gig PS3 is actually quieter (unless the fans come on, which they never do except one time last Summer.)

    Looking forward to MK and playing it with the GC controller. I'm really glad that Nintendo is keeping the GC alive in the Wiibecause it was truly a nice system.

    Flame me if you want. I don't really care!
     
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  3. darkwing thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Thanks for reminding me. I saw some game in the store that had an interesting cover and intended to look up some reviews online, and I totally forgot the name. :)

    What I'm really waiting for is the sequel to Symphonia. (Why is Namco making Vesperia for the 360? Retards. It's a Japanese game on a system with about 550k units sold in Japan.) Even without a world map (which seems to be the case) I'm sure it'll be an enjoyable game. If we can use the GC controller. :p
     
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    I actually do like tennis. Sometimes I don't want too much control with my games and just want to swing the remote around, but I am not a hard core gamer, just like to mess around every once in awhile and have fun. I also like Mario Party 8 when people are over, it's a pretty random mindless game, but can be fun with people.
     
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    I agree about the controllers. Hopefully the next generation will provide some calibration method.
     
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    I really like using Tennis, gets me off the couch, same for Baseball, but I find it to be not realistic. Then again, Wii Sports is only really suppossed to showcase the technology. I really like Twilight Princess and Call of Duty 3.

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    Tennis is one of those things that can be extremely fun with a few people over, especially people who don't typically play videogames. It's easy to pick up, has just enough finesse that technique actually matters, and is friendly-looking to boot.

    And darkwing, Zack and Wiki is a superb game (though it takes a little while to get going - don't let first impressions deceive you), but it's HEAVILY dependant on the pointer, although rarely in a situation where perfect timing is necessary. However, it's also one of those rare Wii games that is as good an experience as it is almost entirely because of the Wii's capabilities. It simply couldn't be done half as well on any other console.
     
  8. Antares macrumors 68000

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    They could do calibration with a simple software update. A few games actually have callibration in them.

    Opinions are opinions. Why would you be worried about someone flaming you?

    I personally love the controls in Metroid Prime 3. Aiming is much more precise with the Wii Remote (and faster) than they could ever be with an analog stick.

    Tips: The Wii remote calibrates automatically. Go into settings and make sure you have everything set right. Make sure the sensor bar is centered on your tv and you have the position set correctly. Also, make sure that you are not playing too close to the tv and not too far from it. That will screw up the pointing. Make sure that there is nothing reflective near the sensor bar and no other IR sources nearby.

    Once you get used to pointing, you'll never want to go back to a regular controller for an fps ever again! It even rivals mouse and keyboard control in terms of speed, accuracy and realism.

    And welcome to Wii World! :)
     
  9. darkwing thread starter macrumors 65816

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    By mentioning I own a PS3, I was in some way hinting that I am a "hard core gamer." I can see tennis being great fun for when I have kids over, though.

    I think they can do it this generation by simply offering a choice in all Wii games.

    Gloss, I don't mind if a game makes heavy pointer use as long as the camera isn't following it. It's hard to point, move, swear, and shoot things at the same time. I'll check out some reviews a little later. I'm probably going to swing by GameStop tonight ot pick up Hot Shots Golf 5 as my friend from Japan is here and I'll probably give him my Japanese version.

    I don't think it calibrates automatically. It's a relative thing as I explained in my review. I don't think it matters how wide the TV is or how tall it is, because it doesn't. When I point at the middle of my screen, if I line up a laser pointer, it isn't anywhere near that. It works because it gives you a cursor, and that provides feedback so you think you're pointing there. Then all movements are relative to that.

    I did find that since my couch is lower than the tv, I had better results with the sensor bar on top of the TV than I did with it below the TV.

    If it works the way I think it works, then I think if I use the two candle trick with them spread out as wide as the TV, I will see more accuracy for my specific condition.

    There are no other IR sources near by (except my hot bod, of course) and the TV doesn't have a reflective case.
     
  10. atszyman macrumors 68020

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    The obvious, scripted tech support question, "You are setting the position of the sensor bar in the Wii options to the top or bottom of the TV right?"

    The candle trick should work since as far as I can tell the Wiimote determines the distance between the two LED sections of the sensor bar to determine how far you are from the TV. From there some assumption about screen size needs to be made and with a larger TV, whatever error is introduced via that assumption will be enhanced. Spreading out the IR points should help (if the candles work you might try disassembling the Sensor bar and using the LEDs that are in it, it's only $10 if you truly break it). I've never actually done any sort of checking to see how accurate my pointing at the screen is to where the cursor is... guess I just assumed the mouselike state and adjusted to the acceleration and cursor to figure it out rather than trying to actually point the wiimote at the exact spot on the screen.

    You'll get used to the MP3 controls, and there is a way to tune the level of sensitivity for moving the Wiimote around to how you turn. Once you get used to it, I had a blast with the game (although I do agree with your statements on the twist/pull type movements for activating some things, it's a lot easier when you just move your hand and push the A button), finally finished it a couple weeks ago due to Zack and Wiki and SMG distractions after Xmas.
     
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    Keep in mind that in the preferences there's also an option to define the 'size' of the sensor relative to your screen, which allows the console to scale the sensitivity of the pointer. You wanna make sure to do this.
     
  12. JackAxe macrumors 68000

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    Welcome. :)

    I'll post my PS3 thread, hopefully shortly. I'm getting a BR player. :)

    I felt the same way about Prime, where as it feels like Halo. Not that this is a bad thing. Eventually it does change up its play and takes on the Prime flavor.

    The grapple was the only control that that would sometimes misfire for me. I'm used to my bar's placement, so doing the Wii zoom in an out has become second nature.

    I keep my Wiimote's preference on a 5, which I noticed is much better for large screens. When setup properly and you get used to it, it's a great solution for a console. On smaller screens, it's really tight and feels dead on.

    I found that for the larger screens -- like the 65" my cousin and friend have -- placing the bar about half way between your position and the screen, and at a height that's about level to the bottom of the screen, really makes a difference. If that makes senses? I haven't had sleep again, so my rambles are probably fuzzier than normal. Here's a diagram:

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    ..|** [|....................................................................... _[ ]_
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    What i would like, is another preference, that lets you adjust the pointer's vertical position on the screen. Zelda has this option, so I'm not sure why they didn't do it for the Wii menu.

    Medal of Honor 2 -- a typical eh FPS, nothing new, but still fun -- has quite a few options to really get the controls right. I love that you can lean around corners by simply tilting the nun-chuck.

    Now I know I'm the only one that hasn't played Brawl. :D

    <]=)
     
  13. darkwing thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I messed around with the "sensitivity" setting in the wii menu, but it didn't seem to make a difference no matter what I did.

    I don't have any issues with the grapple so far, but as soon as I need to try and turn around or strafe it stinks. Seems the old system would turn you while you locked on and strafed, but this one requires you turn yourself. If you turn off lock-on free aiming, you can actually fight because the screen won't bob up and down and do stupid crap, but then you can't move either. Just can't win. I'll try 5, but I don't have a coffee table so I can't really try your other idea. :( Once I figure out if I'm staying in this house for a while maybe I can do something.

    What I would like is the ability to play all games with the GC controller.
     
  14. MRU macrumors demi-god

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    Whilst I agree with you, because personally I find any game that uses the nunchuck alongside the wii remote to be more of an exercise in torment than entertainment, I'm betting the majority wouldn't.

    Personally for me the Wii has been a disappointing experience on a number of levels, but again its all individual.

    I loved Wii Sports and as the main party game of all my consoles it stands head and shoulders above anything else at getting people playing who would never touch a console.

    But other than a few gems like SSB (which I still can't play) and Galaxy there has been little that has wowed me at all.

    Nintendo really enforcing region protection is a pain in the rectum for me as an importer and I regret not simply buying an american console.

    Whilst the 360 and PS3 are import friendly for the most part - The wii is a nightmare beyond all proportions. Not only will Freeloaders break with wii updates, even your modded wii will then struggle to load legitimate import purchases too, or at worst completely break your system.

    So when you add the headaches of running games in order to break the 6 month dread zone before they are released in Europe, and the genuinely lack of anything that couldn't work as well as it does without the wii remote other than WiiSports and maybe Zack & Wiki (to me, Mario Galaxy, Zelda, Metroid & SSB would all work with very little difference if not better with a standard gamecube controller), I find myself in a place where its really hard to care about the Wii anymore.

    It's not a cheap console option either, its not even the cheapest anymore. So if anyone was to honestly ask me whether I'd recommend the wii - I would struggle to answer.

    Added to other irritations such as Wii Star's to Points promotion which never works. Generally very over priced imho Marketplace/Wii Arcade games. Web browser you have to buy, and irksome friends-code implementation which is so laborious that I just can't be bothered anymore.

    Wii won my heart when I first got it...... a week later it broke it and continues to sit over me with its legs akimbo squeezing one big dirty one onto my chest. and I don't like it one bit......
     
  15. Shacklebolt macrumors 6502a

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    [​IMG]

    Seriously though, I'm similarly ambivalent about the Wii. Not really tempted, but I can understand people loving it.
     
  16. JackAxe macrumors 68000

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    I found this article, talking about the Wiimote:
    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=176443

    They hit on points you're experiencing. Until Nintendo adds an advanced preference into the Wii menu, it really will depends on the game and if it has offered enough options.

    I found a blurb, that some guy recommended using a split LED setup for larger screens and mounting them about 2/3 of the way up on either side of it. This way the cursor feels spot on.

    Another solution, is a smaller screen *I kid.* :eek: But on my 19", there is a direct correlation between where I'm pointing and the pointer. So in the above article they comment about Samus' arm being a direct extension and that's how it feels for me. I've done that sight thing they describe and my pointer is just a smidgen below my Wiimote.

    I play on the advanced controls with Prime. It allows me to whip around really fast, not as fast as a PC FPS, but still excellent. I also prefer highly sensitive controls. I generally adjust my mouse setting up towards the highest, if not all of the way depending on the game. I don't recall the first Prime or second having strafing at all?

    I hope you can get things worked out and you get used to it. The Wiimote really does open up PC gaming for consoles, but if your cursor is uncontrollable, than that's just not good. I know that when I played WiiPlay with a friend the other week, on my other friend's 42" plasma, he had a horrible time just trying to keep the pointer on the screen. For him it was too sensitive and it didn't help that the screen was mounted on the wall.

    EVIL GC Conroller. :D I have 3 still. I wouldn't want to play RE4 with it, I tried. It's way easier to get knee shots with the Wiimote. :eek:

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  17. darkwing thread starter macrumors 65816

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    So I may have to update my review a bit. I'm changing MP3 review to 8/10 because the game keeps getting better, and I've sort of gotten more used to the controls. I'm ticked off that I'm having the wiimote jammed down my throat, though. I feel upset every time I play it because I want to see how the game/story turns out, but I don't want to use those controls. I find that sitting on the left side of the couch seems to work better when I hold the wiimote in my right hand (i'm left handed) and using the standard sensitivity and the lock on free aim off I seem able to almost play the game. I'll give advanced another try a little later, though.

    As for SSBB, I'm changing my review to 8/10 also. The reason? Because while they didn't force the wiimote down my throat, the instruction manual says they only talk about the wiimote so there are no instructions to use the GC controller. I never owned a smash game, so I had to figure out the controls. In a way, it's having the controls thrust down my throat. Also, on online play, the control is very slugging and unresponsive. I have extremely fast internet with no lag issues on any computer or PS3 games.

    I'm also ticked with Wii Sports because it isn't consistent at all. I also find the ~1.5 second delay until the mii holds up the ball to be annoying as hell.

    JackAxe, I tried using the LEDs from Time Crisis 4 but the Wii doesn't see them. Probably because there are 3 on each side instead of 2. Oh well. The more I play with it the least I like motion control/pointing for games anyway. I'm not trying to insult it, I just know what works for me. If the pointing was 1:1 it might be a bit better, but I'd still prefer a real controller. I also don't like how they effectively lowered the button count compared to the gamecube. You wind up having to reach for buttons to get to map screens/etc.
     
  18. JackAxe macrumors 68000

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    Real controller, it is one. :D The setup really determines if it's 1:1. Hopefully you can find a solution that's best for your situation. And as rambled, some games do offer way more options to compensate for large screens. Hopefully Nintendo does include an advanced settings screen, so that even the worst possible TV situation will give the user good results.

    How far are you from your sensor bar?. The Wiimote's camera range isn't that great, only about 5 feet.

    And that bites about the left-handed thing. They should include an option in the future, especially since the Wiimote and nunchuck are hand specific.

    When I play, I use my office chair, so my right arm is always resting on the arm-pad. This makes it easier for me, since I don't need to hold my arm up constantly.

    There are parts in Prime 3 where they intentionally make things a pain to hit -- like these bouncing locks later on, while bombarding you with enemies. They do this because they know the user has a true-pointer. It would still be possible to hit them with a thumb-stick, but it would be a frustrating nightmare, do to the fact that a even the best thumb-stick is just way too slow when compared to an optimal Wiimote setup.

    Yeah, the bottom buttons are a reach, same goes for RE4, but I got used to it. I have hitchhikers thumb big time, so I can cheat. :eek: I've been wanting a true gun style Wiimote, but wtih the buttons on the hilt, or more buttons on the nunchuck.

    I've always sucked at Tennis BTW. My friend can keep the ball going on the wall without breaking a sweat, I've only got about 20 hits from what I recall.

    Anyway, best of luck. You're definitely not alone in some of your frustrations.

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    Page 6 lower right, they map all the moves from the Wiimote/nunchuck to the other controller options. Rather than have to detail every move from there with all four controller options the assumption is made that you can use this to map to your preferred scheme. Since everyone with a Wii has at least one Wiimote/Nunchuck it makes sense that the manual would focus on that and for people with other controllers they give you the mapping.
     

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    Thanks! I honestly read the box about it using the Wii Remote in the book and threw it across the room and tried to figure it out myself. I'm still leaving it at 8/10 until they fix the online stuff. But who cares... it's not a "real" review it's just me posting my experiences.

    I'm actually about 7 feet away. I have a 60" tv after all. I notice that if I get too far away or too off to the side, the cursor will jump around very rapidly. I don't notice that from where I sit. It seems very smooth.

    I have very big palms but short fingers. I wonder if that's why I can type so fast. :p And I'd still rather use a thumb stick to hit things like that in Prime 3. I think it'd be cooler if Prime 3 had a mode where you can turn with the thumb stick, but strafe while holding down Z, and then the gun can be pointed anywhere but it won't scroll the screen. If it at least let you look up and down, then it's kind of like the controls on 1 and 2.
     
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    MRU- you think you're getting annoyed with the Wii, try setting one up for 480p on a TV that only has one port for SD only, and one port for ED only.

    • Plug in Wii in SD with regular cables
    • Try to select 480p mode
    • 480p mode is grayed out because I am not connected to a 480p port
    • Unplug old cables. Plug in composite cables, and hitch up to 480p port
    • Screen goes dead
    • Swear
    • Using the force, jab wildly with the Wii remote at the blank screen, hoping to hit the 480p button, which is now no longer greyed out
    • Wii will display 480p if you managed to hit the right button. Blindly.
     
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    Heh. RIP DNA.
     
  23. JackAxe macrumors 68000

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    It's not that they're big, but hairy. :eek: :D :p *I kid* *hides*

    Well, you're half way there with the move and Z to strafe, this is the advanced mode setup. :)

    Have you played Resident Evil on Wii? If not, it has typical console 3rd person style controls, but when you're ready to shoot, it goes into a mode where you look around with the stick, but aim with in that area using the Wiimote. It's similar to Zelda from what I recall, but better -- I haven't played this game for months.

    I prefer the free look, it's how I've been playing shooters since the mid-nineties. Games like RE4 still use the stick when in sniper mode, which I'm accustom to, but I prefer the sniper mode in MoH2, since it uses the Wiimote. I can pick off enemies much faster in this game.

    The Wii's pointer opens up PC type UI's, so I'm hoping developers will bring on the sophistication that it affords. More difficult enemies and more complicated menu setups -- eveyrthign the Wii is trying to avoid. :eek:

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  24. JackAxe macrumors 68000

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    :D

    Your pain makes me laugh. *sorry* :eek: What you described sounds like a game with in itself.

    Where did you get an EDTV? :eek: I've honestly been looking for one -- a widescreen one of course.

    <]=)
     
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    It was quite funny, I have to admit.

    The TV is old, we got it before HDTVs were cheap enough to get a decent size. We literally went down to a local store, chose the best looking one and left. Fools that we were.
     

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