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Everything has been leaked, sorry but I don't believe in surprises that much anymore.
 
Nobody has made a box...ANY box...with 100Mbit ethernet since 2005. My 7 year old junky Dell has gigabit.

I was floored when I found out my latest gen ATV only had 100Mbit ethernet while it had much faster wifi.

Roku, WDTV Live, and Boxee also use 10/100 ethernet; gigabit ethernet isn't needed for streaming.
 
I think that a good strategy would be the AppleTv combined with an Airport Express for $99. The margin wouldn't be great but it would have the potential to increase market share and make up for the margin with long term usage. It would simplefy setup and usage.

That would be tremendous! I've wanted and AppleTV for a while, but for some reason, I haven't been sufficiently inspired to actually buy one. That may not make sense.....

In any event, there's a pretty decent chance that I will pull the trigger whenever they release the next version. Combining an Express would make me run, not walk, to buy one.
 
Eh. Couldn't really care less about the Apple TV. iTV, that's another story. Doesn't the Chromecast, that's 65% cheaper put the Apple TV to shame anyways, price-performance wise?

No.

And enjoy sending everything you watch to Google's servers....

Except, of course, for actual local files on your computer that it can't even play.
 
Everything has been leaked, sorry but I don't believe in surprises that much anymore.

I'm guessing that if you look at the picture below, you'll tell me it's half empty. Let some of us think it's half full, please.

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1. Range.
Yes, but the advantage is minimal

2. Real-world bandwidth through walls, etc. is degraded from theoretical limits.
So your 802.11n 300 Mbps theoretical throughput is degraded down to < 4 Mbps (1080p stream)?

3. Interference from neighbors with Wifi.
How does 802.11ac solve this? If you answer "because they are still using 802.11n", then you fail; just change your WiFi channel (also, most routers automatically do this).

4. Streaming requires getting as much as you can when you can, because availability of packets fluctuates.
Once the ATV has buffered some portion of the stream, packet fluctuation will not affect performance. Also, your throughput will still be limited by your broadband internet speed and the iTunes/Netflix servers, of which neither will saturate 802.11n.

5. Other applications on one's Wifi network may be using some of the available bandwidth.
Again, your broadband internet speed will be the limiting factor in this scenario, not your WiFi throughput.
 
It's a piece of hardware that doesn't do anything without other piece of hardware supplying it with instructions, is what he was getting at.

Yes, other hardware that everyone owns already. The barrier for use is non-existent. Might as well say the Apple TV is useless if you don't have a TV. It's a meaningless argument for both, since you buy both with an understanding of the limitations.

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No.

And enjoy sending everything you watch to Google's servers....

Except, of course, for actual local files on your computer that it can't even play.

Except for in a chrome browser, which is then streamed to the device. But why let facts get in the way of a rant, right?
 
It would be nice if the new ATV could recieve channels OTA so that they can be recorded to local storage or iCloud.
 
Yes, other hardware that everyone owns already. The barrier for use is non-existent. Might as well say the Apple TV is useless if you don't have a TV. It's a meaningless argument for both, since you buy both with an understanding of the limitations.
The TV is just an output device, not a command and control device. You can use an Apple TV or Roku or whatever without any additional hardware whatsoever apart from the TV and an internet connection. With the Chromecast, you need all that plus a smartphone or tablet, which, in reality, not everyone owns.

Plus, streaming from a computer to the Chromecast is not the same as streaming from the set-top box. With an Apple TV or Roku you can use the device to access resources directly from PCs or the internet. The Chromecast can only receive and display, can't fetch. That means you have to use your PC as a primitive (and huge) remote control if you don't have a smartphone. If you do have a smartphone, then you still have to wait for app loading and connecting in order to skip songs or whatever. Smartphone controlled home entertainment is neat, but horrible as a primary usage scenario.
 
I might be interested if we see an update next week. I still have an old 2nd Gen sitting around somewhere, and with the price they sell for on eBay and the likes, I'd be able to buy a 4th Gen with some spare change!
 
We've ditched cable in my house with an Apple TV and an external HD antenna. All the local channels, netflix, and iTunes cover our needs. Saves about $60-100 a month depending on what we buy on iTunes. So easy my 3 year old can operate it. Make the jump, you will never look back.

I have the same setup & did the same thing a few months back. Canceling Fios saved roughly $100/month being that I was in my 2nd year of contract. They WOULD NOT budge with giving me a better deal.
I thought it would be a problem with my wife but surprisingly, she loves it. Thank god. Greatest thing we ever did since moving in.
 
Unless they add some more content/channels an Apple Television would be a complete waste of time in the UK right now. I think the current AppleTV box is going to be around for a good while yet, at least outside the US.
 
Unless they add some more content/channels an Apple Television would be a complete waste of time in the UK right now. I think the current AppleTV box is going to be around for a good while yet, at least outside the US.
I don't have a TV myself so not in the market for an Apple TV but I understand it doesn't even come with iPlayer. Is that true? That does make it sort of a pointless device.
 
For all you commenters wishing for 802.11ac WiFi, it's not likely going to happen.

1080p Streaming = ~4 Mbps
10/100 ethernet = 100 Mbps
802.11n WiFi = 300 Mbps
Broadband Internet = ~25-50 Mbps

Streaming 1080p content does not saturate the existing ethernet or WiFi links, let alone your broadband internet link, so why would Apple add 802.11ac to the device? It would increase the cost of the device with no effective performance gain.

4Mbps would be quite a compressed 1080p stream, so you'd likely see compression artefacts. More importantly, with a faster connection you'll be able to buffer far quicker - can be tedious with a slower connection.

On the "300Mbps", that's a largely meaningless number in my opinion, since so few people reach anything like it. I'd take a 100Mbps wired connection over a "300Mbps" N wifi connection any day.

Plus my wifi is 100Mbps, with 150Mbps widely available here (and Ireland isn't exactly at the forefront of broadband technology) so here my Wifi is the limiting factor, not my broadband.

I can't wait for widespread ac Wifi adoption here.
 
For all you commenters wishing for 802.11ac WiFi, it's not likely going to happen.

1080p Streaming = ~4 Mbps
10/100 ethernet = 100 Mbps
802.11n WiFi = 300 Mbps
Broadband Internet = ~25-50 Mbps

Streaming 1080p content does not saturate the existing ethernet or WiFi links, let alone your broadband internet link, so why would Apple add 802.11ac to the device? It would increase the cost of the device with no effective performance gain.

Believe it or not, some people actually have more than one thing going on at a time across their network. Not everybody lives by themselves and only ever has a single 1080p stream going across their network and nothing else.
 
4Mbps would be quite a compressed 1080p stream, so you'd likely see compression artefacts.

Vudu streams are as follows:
SD (480p) = 1000 kbps
HD (720p) = 2250 kbps
HDX (1080p) = 4500 kbps

I believe iTunes 1080p is around 4-6 Mbps.
 
Believe it or not, some people actually have more than one thing going on at a time across their network. Not everybody lives by themselves and only ever has a single 1080p stream going across their network and nothing else.


most people in the US have broadband in the 10-15 mbps range
 
Believe it or not, some people actually have more than one thing going on at a time across their network. Not everybody lives by themselves and only ever has a single 1080p stream going across their network and nothing else.

Still, you're more than likely limited by your broadband speed, not your WiFi speed.
 
NFL Sunday Ticket on the Apple TV and I'm all set. I was just about to buy a second Apple TV for the basement. Maybe I'll wait until 9/10.

The Chromecast is a joke even at $35. Good idea if Apple TV/Roku/SmartTvs/Any other streamer didn't exist. Maybe it'll be better in the future so I can get my Amazon Video on my tv unless Apple TV brings it first.

Right now, I am using my Chromecast as a dust cover for my HDMI 2 on the back of my TV. It works great for that!

THIS.

I have ATV2, which is nice bc its jailbroken, but I need an update.

I got in on the Madden Deal with Sunday Ticket for $99.

Streamed Sunday Ticket to my new ATV = heaven.
 
Everyone's getting "the fever" over nothing. There will be no aTV announcement next week. It will be totally focused on iOS7 and iPhones.

Sorry to bust the bubble. :(
 
I don't have a TV myself so not in the market for an Apple TV but I understand it doesn't even come with iPlayer. Is that true? That does make it sort of a pointless device.

Correct it doesn't have iPlayer or ITV Player or anything else like that. Apart from Netflix and MLB TV there is nothing else worth mentioning. It's only worth buying if you intend to stream content from your iTunes library. It certainly wouldn't replace a cable/sat box for the vast majority of people.
 
Everyone's getting "the fever" over nothing. There will be no aTV announcement next week. It will be totally focused on iOS7 and iPhones.

Sorry to bust the bubble. :(

Apple TV and iOS are directly related. If there's any announcement, this *is* when it would come out.
 
The TV is just an output device, not a command and control device. You can use an Apple TV or Roku or whatever without any additional hardware whatsoever apart from the TV and an internet connection. With the Chromecast, you need all that plus a smartphone or tablet, which, in reality, not everyone owns.

Plus, streaming from a computer to the Chromecast is not the same as streaming from the set-top box. With an Apple TV or Roku you can use the device to access resources directly from PCs or the internet. The Chromecast can only receive and display, can't fetch. That means you have to use your PC as a primitive (and huge) remote control if you don't have a smartphone. If you do have a smartphone, then you still have to wait for app loading and connecting in order to skip songs or whatever. Smartphone controlled home entertainment is neat, but horrible as a primary usage scenario.
Yes, it relies on other devices, not ONLY the TV and network connection, like the Apple TV.

I don't own one, and I don't plan on getting one. I prefer an Apple TV that I can feel confident about it's ability to be enhanced in the future by Apple, when advancements roll out. The present setup does not give me that confidence.
 
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