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So, as of now nothing windows runs on an M1 Mac ? Pathetic..
Well, it does, in the same way as it did on Intel Macs, via virtualisation. I'm sure there are a few users who used Boot Camp, but probably many more used virtualising software, which achieved the same results as Boot Camp but without having to choose to boot EITHER into Windows OR Mac OS but never both at once.
 
I'm sure there are a few users who used Boot Camp, but probably many more used virtualising software, which achieved the same results as Boot Camp [...]
Maybe I'm not up-to-date on this subject, but I wouldn't trust any hypervisor available on Mac OS to provide anywhere near the same 3D gaming performance as a native Windows install.
 
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Maybe I'm not up-to-date on this subject, but I wouldn't trust any hypervisor available on Mac OS to provide anywhere near the same 3D gaming performance as a native Windows install.
You're quite right there - the one downside of virtualisers is that they spoof graphics handling using the host RAM rather than its graphics card; so the minority of users who wish to play GFX-intensive Windows games on an Intel Mac would be better using Bootcamp instead.
HOWEVER... on the M1s, the graphics are so good compared to Intel that I've seen YouTube videos showing reviewers installing (e.g.) Steam and running Windows games within the Mac OS environment.
 
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Maybe I'm not up-to-date on this subject, but I wouldn't trust any hypervisor available on Mac OS to provide anywhere near the same 3D gaming performance as a native Windows install.
You are right, because Apple's OS never designed for gaming ! Goes back to Jobs, now OS 9 and OS 8 and 68k has the best bad ass games then ! But, OS X can't produce worth anything ?
 
Just wanted to quickly chime in and say I'm really grateful for the work of EveryMac. It's a great starting point for learning about any Mac, but just like any internet resource, it's good to use multiple sources to be sure.
For 99% of the time, I've found EM is correct. But for that 1%, I still have MacRumors.

I think we all need more gratitude for the resources available. It's hard to understate the value and importance of having wiki-style websites for newcomers, even if they're never going to be perfect. And it takes a lot of work to make these resources in the first place.

Another source I like which hasn't been mentioned is LowEndMac. It's especially enjoyable reading about people's PPC solutions 10-20 years ago, but it makes me jealous that they had access to so many parts and CPU upgrades back then... alas... at least we have cheap SSDs now.
I assume when PowerPC came out you were just a child, yes ? I was in my early 20s when PowerPC was the thing back in 2000s.
 
It's possible (apologies if I'm wrong...) that you may be confused? Parallels and Vm Ware do not emulate; they virtualise the guest OS e.g. Windows. In other words the guest OS needs to be the same architecture as the host. Recent versions of Windows have an ARM version which can be virtualised on an M1 Mac in Parallels. You don't need Bootcamp for Windows ARM, just the latest version of Parallels.

Having installed Windows ARM, you can then run older versions of Windows apps as the OS has an equivalent of Rosetta to EMULATE those apps within the VIRTUALISED OS.
Correct, sorry for my english.. I mean virtualization and not emulation, sorry.
 
I assume when PowerPC came out you were just a child, yes ? I was in my early 20s when PowerPC was the thing back in 2000s.
Yeah, PowerPC really hits me with nostalgia because I was a kid right when the iMac G3, G4 and G5 were being released. Each generation felt like "this is the future", with both hardware and software improvements – I still remember the day we got our 20-inch iSight iMac G5 with 10.4 Tiger, an incredible machine for its time, and the first to make me think of computers as movie theatres (with the new Front Row software).

It was an awesome time, and the main reason I'm interested in tech at all today.
 
Yeah, PowerPC really hits me with nostalgia because I was a kid right when the iMac G3, G4 and G5 were being released. Each generation felt like "this is the future", with both hardware and software improvements – I still remember the day we got our 20-inch iSight iMac G5 with 10.4 Tiger, an incredible machine for its time, and the first to make me think of computers as movie theatres (with the new Front Row software).

It was an awesome time, and the main reason I'm interested in tech at all today.
How I got into PowerPC Macs - I was an exchange student going to college in USA. I am from Ukraine - I worked for CompUSA in Maryland and I used to be A+ certified to fix PC's, but not macs. Anyway, I saw CompUSA employees try to make fun of Apple users and push customers to not buy Apple. I too at one time hated Apple, but I saw something in these machine and Think Different all over the store that one day I decided to buy my 1st G4 350 Sawtooth.. along with OS 9, Virtual PC 3.0 - all for $1600.00 at the time. From that day forward I became a pro at OS 9 and Mac OS X. I am trying to remember how OS 9 ran youtube back in 2000s, and I can't fully remember.
 
You are right, because Apple's OS never designed for gaming !

It didn't prevent games being written for DOS, which were played on PCs with green screens and beeper sounds. :D

I still remember endlessly fine-tuning my autoexec.bat and config.sys files in order for games to access the full 640K and see my sound card.

Goes back to Jobs, now OS 9 and OS 8 and 68k has the best bad ass games then ! But, OS X can't produce worth anything ?

There are stacks of amazing titles on OS X! I've shared quite a few in my PPC gaming thread. Apple blundered terribly in failing to court the games industry and pitch the Mac as a multi-faceted product whose qualities also include entertainment, but to claim OS X can't produce anything worthwhile on this front is grossly inaccurate.
 
For example, Dark Forces on the Mac has double the resolution of the PC DOS release. :D
Same goes for Prince of Persia 1 and Prince of Persia 2. :D

But for PoP 1, the PC-98 version was not only the first port released, beating the IBM PC/DOS version by a couple of months, it was also the first version to run at a whopping 640×400. The Mac version’s graphics are based on these because… they are awesome.

Curiously, while the Mac version of PoP 1 runs slower than the DOS one, the Mac version of PoP 2 runs faster than the DOS one.
 
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Windows RT did not — and that was one of the reasons it didn’t make it.
Huh, i could have swore it came with an x86 emulator but I guess i'm thinking of windows 10 on arm. Interestingly in my searching I found out someone did make an emu for windows rt called x86emu.
 
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memmaker was a godsend for that. Ihave an old 486 pc for dos gaming and it was quite the learning experience getting it working

The title page is burned into my synapses from the countless sessions of rearranging conventional memory so that I could run X-Wing CD on my Pentium II/350. :D

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I care about facts.
I don’t care about what “some readers passionately believe”.

Maybe I should stop using the site then. ;)

I’ll definitely stop participating in this discussion.
If it bothers you that much then yes, stop using the site. Even better start your own and run it the way you think it should be run.
 
A journalist summed it up in the mid 90s that programmers in years past would optimise their code till it was refined to yield optimum performance but this was giving way to telling the public to ditch their computer and buy a more powerful one.
Programmers used to better / really optimize their code as computing resources were initially very expensive whereas programmers were, relatively speaking, not. This made the time / expensive of optimization worthwhile. As computing resources vastly decreased in price the value proposition of optimization changed in favor of replacing the hardware.
 
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