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Everymac citation: Some A1138 and A1139 PowerBook G4s shipped with the PPC 7448 chip [citation 2], not the PPC 7447a/b.

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@everymac: “Passionately believing” is not knowing. There’s also no reliable evidence to back up these claims.
 
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With the performance and newer tech in virtualization you should be able to have a useable Windows experience with these, contrary to PPC back in the days (and even more with PPC today).

I disagree - I've had great success with Virtual PC to achieve particular goals - the key is to realise you have performance in the Pentium 133/166 region and adjust to that accordingly.
 
I disagree - I've had great success with Virtual PC to achieve particular goals - the key is to realise you have performance in the Pentium 133/166 region and adjust to that accordingly.
Personally, I've experienced x86 emulation a lot of the time is faster than Apple's 68k emulation. For example, Full Tilt! Pinball. The native Mac version is unplayably slow and choppy on Oddball, but emulating an entire Microsoft Whistler machine brings it back up to a stable ~60fps performance.​
 
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the key is to realise you have performance in the Pentium 133/166 region and adjust to that accordingly.

Thank you for proving my point.
On PPC you get performance that would have been considered borderline useless even back in the day.


Sure you can use it to run some retro apps or games but that is a far cry from replacing a current PC you might have needed otherwise (which is no problem with an Intel Mac and should be doable with M1.. based ones).
 
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Thank you for proving my point.
On PPC you get performance that would have been considered borderline useless even back in the day.

Not so. Some years ago I needed to access CorelDraw files for a job I was working on - Illustrator failed to import them correctly, so firing up CorelDraw in Virtual PC gave me access instantly - the Pentium performance didn't matter.

There have been numerous instances of needing pre XP Windows to access older cameras, pdas etc and it worked fine for these.

Yes these are fringe cases but for me, the emulated PC did exactly what I required of it.
 
@everymac: “Passionately believing” is not knowing. There’s also no reliable evidence to back up these claims.

Exactly; some users need to read more carefully. EveryMac.com does not state that these models contain PowerPC 7448 processors, merely that some readers passionately believe so.
 
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Wow. They specifically requested an email.

Such an ugly way to publicly respond. Oh wait, it’s “peer review”. :rolleyes:

Nah.

They posted to a forum on which they don’t participate much — which is their prerogative. Their remarks were defensive from the start gate.

They went with a shunting “if you have an issue, you can email me.” They did so without providing, in discussion, how to do so, or how to address it so that it brings this discussion to their prompt attention, on their own time table. Thanks, but I’m not going to go hunting around on their web site when I know full well they’re paying attention to this discussion right here and right now. They opened the invitation for review, even if defensively (and publicly) and I provided one such review, but in this forum — where that invitation was extended. And I thanked them for the service they provide.

I’m not sure what more they (or you) were expecting.

Peer review means just that, and it’s not intended to be a mollycoddling experience or exercise. @everymac came into this discussion as a peer, on par with you or me or anyone else who’s posted on this thread. If you’re a regular lurker and/or participant here on the MR forums, you also know how that review is oftentimes collegial, steady, and discursive (i.e., a two-way conversation, often evolving with curious new things we learn along the way). And in fact, I concluded my reply to @everymac with that collegiality, and I very much mean it.

Generally, @Certificate of Excellence , you and I don’t engage much, because you got off on the wrong foot with me when you joined a year ago, as you made some pretty snarky, unproductive, and even combative remarks. As memory (and probably a good search into the archives here) serves, I wasn’t going to indulge your behaviour.

So yes, peer review is a thing, it’s happening within this thread, and it’s not always going to be smooth sailing. But eventually the rough waters end, and the community is all enriched with the knowledge we gain from getting through it — the review.
 
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merely that some readers passionately believe so.
As I see it (feel free to correct me!) EveryMac's goal is to report the specifications as accurately as possible.

In other words, stick to facts that can be and (ideally) have been proven. Facts are facts, no matter if you believe them or not. Stating something that is flat out wrong and not backed up by any credible evidence because "some readers passionately believe so" is a bit ridiculous IMO and, to make matters worse, undermines the site's credibility.

For instance, if I told you I "passionately believe" that 17-inch PowerBooks manufactured in 2006 contain a G5 but failed to produce any credible evidence, would you also add this to the site because "a reader passionately believes so"?

That being said, I am grateful for the site’s existence. :)
 
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Didn't Daystar do 7448 upgrades to 7447 machines? I imaigne that's what those readers were referring to if they got theirs second hand (or often, eighth hand) and didn't know the history of the machine, and that might be worthy of mentioning.​
 
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Same can be said about Wikipedia, but you're not allowed to use it in college essays. It's a starting point for research, not the whole book.​
Uhhh what is your point?

I've never ever been steered wrong by everymac. It's easily the most useful place to find details about a specific model and you can even lookup serial numbers.

Yes, you are very intelligent for repeating every boomer middle school teacher's brilliant assessment that the internet is a bad dangerous place full of lies and you can only ever read paper books if you want to be the smarts. ?
 
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Didn't Daystar do 7448 upgrades to 7447 machines? I imaigne that's what those readers were referring to if they got theirs second hand (or often, eighth hand) and didn't know the history of the machine, and that might be worthy of mentioning.​
If “those readers” are who I am unfortunately inclined to think they are, then their claim is that Apple shipped some of these machines with a 7448 but kept it a secret. One individual even went as far as photoshopping his CPU die shot, in an easily-exposed effort to support this claim. Sad but true.
 
Didn't Daystar do 7448 upgrades to 7447 machines? I imaigne that's what those readers were referring to if they got theirs second hand (or often, eighth hand) and didn't know the history of the machine, and that might be worthy of mentioning.​

Daystar did, and they’re exceedingly uncommon.

But no, the claims found on @everymac come from Asaggynoodle and rabidz7.

Peer review. It works.
 
@everymac: “Passionately believing” is not knowing. There’s also no reliable evidence to back up these claims.
They didn't say it's a fact... They said exactly the knowledge they had. This means they don't have the information and you should go find it if you are bothered by nobody knowing.
 
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Without definitive citations, a reference resource needs to ditch it — and by “it”, I mean beliefs and claims.
When you write that "some people believe" you are not stating it as a fact and you don't need to cite it...

They felt it was better to include it because they were being asked to clearly and weren't 100% certain, so they thought it might be worth mentioning despite being unable to know for sure. If you have better information, help them correct it, that's the whole point.

They wrote that one simple thing, which is definitively not false, and you guys are really nerding out over it and shaming them for not having the info solidified. I mean get over yourselves and go start your own Mac info site since you guys know everything.

This entire thread disgusts me and honestly, maybe this site is just full of the worst of humanity. I mean this thread started with an OP poor shaming people.

Yuck. Be nicer people.
 
and you can even lookup serial numbers.
Oddball's serial confuses every single serial detector, including EM's. The Bookyard echoes it, so does PowerbookMedic, and MacUpgrades has no idea what it is besides being a G4 tower. They all spit out the same wrong info: Power Mac G4 AGP 500MHz with 27GB drive, 16MB VRAM, and 256MB RAM.
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The spec sticker on the back and the processor itself both agree that it's actually 450MHz and had a 10GB hard drive and 128MB RAM at manufacture, and the graphics card that came with it was an 8MB Rage 128. This is an extreme example of probably a school Mac, and this stuff is exactly why I named it that, just that serials aren't always reliable. I agree that it's helpful, I use it all the time and have based purchases around info I got on EveryMac. But it's not infallible.
To be fair, neither are Apple, who claim that the Lombard had an 83MHz system bus and that thr Sawtooth can only.boot as far as Mac OS 9.0. I still trust EveryMac more than I do them, but I trust these forums more than I do EM.​
 
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Maybe!

If the site operator gets tetchy, fidgety, and/or defensive when the community provides them with cited corrections to content errors issued by Apple or even by themselves, then maybe it’s time to migrate to another community-based resource? I dunno.
That is not what the **** happened here? Someone openly called the site a bad source of information... That's not a correction that's an insult.
 
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