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As TWC and NBC point out, Flash dominates the web. iDevices are basically the only devices that dont do flash. Why retool your entire library for less than 1% of the web browsers world wide? That's just plain dumb.

Again this is not an endorsement of Flash or saying that Flash is better than HTML5. Just stating a fact.

Do you, Time Warner and NBC even know what you are talking about when you say stuff like this? Flash is not a codec or a video encoder. It is simply a wrapper used to display video on the web. The "cost" to convert it to something else would be minimal. The whole thing is absurd.

NBC.com has been able to stream videos to the iPhone/iPod for a long time now, so their videos are already encoded so they would work on iDevices. This whole announcement is absurd and ignorant and clearly not made by people at either company who actually understand the technical issues involved in any way shape or form.
 
All you can do is laugh about it. If people didn't sink $600-$1000 into some "magical" device that tells them what they can, and cannot, do, this would be one of the biggest non issues, ever.
 
I understand that - but my point still stands - calling HTML 5 not a "standard" is not 100% accurate. The W3C considers it a standard in draft form.

I personally don't give a darn what NBC or Time-Warner wants to do - let the consumers decide that. My statement does not have anything to do with a companies business decisions.

That means nothing though to most companies. They want it standard, burnt in, in mass, and then they will move. Thats just big companies.

IMHO, I think everyone should just make both version and carry on but it wont happen. A lot of people here seem to be great CIO's when they click the reply button but wouldn't last a second in the real world.
 
Everything I need to know about Flash I get when it crashes my browser and/or kills my battery. What else is there to know?

"Hi, I am a developer and I don't want to try something new, even if it will be better than what I am currently doing and will allow my content to instantly be available to millions of users that currently cannot see my content in the bloated, buggy format that I refuse to move from."

Hi - Developers are trying something new when appropriate. And "better" is relative. A developer has to use tools that do what job they need to get done. As it's been stated before your snarky reply is that HTML5 does not do everything Flash does at current.

Just because I/we have a new toy doesn't mean the world has to change overnight to accommodate us. But maybe I don't have the feeling of immediate gratification and self-entitlement as you do.
 
Do you, Time Warner and NBC even know what you are talking about when you say stuff like this? Flash is not a codec or a video encoder. It is simply a wrapper used to display video on the web. The "cost" to convert it to something else would be minimal. The whole thing is absurd.

Could you provide me some numbers please on the cost?

ROI would be great too.
 
Exactly. There is no reason for Apple not to allow Flash support for those that want to use it in the interim, other than Jobs throwing a hissy fit in his increasingly Orwellian world.

Yes - instead of Jobs going on the attack - Apple could have actually worked with Adobe to help make Flash more efficient on iPads. But nope.. Jobs goes on a negative attack and reduces the amount of internet content the user can experience on their Apple mobile devices.

HTML5 media will get here.. 1+ years ( after IE9 is released ).
 
It is not a standard until the spec is final. Until that point it is a proposed standard. This is why all of the wireless N routers sold prior to the spec being made final were labeled as Draft N.
I never said it was a final standard - in fact I used the word "draft" which is what the W3C refers to it as. And calling something a standard does not necessarily require it to be finalized - standardization is a overall process.
 
That means nothing though to most companies. They want it standard, burnt in, in mass, and then they will move. Thats just big companies.
Unfortunately that is true.

IMHO, I think everyone should just make both version and carry on but it wont happen. A lot of people here seem to be great CIO's when they click the reply button but wouldn't last a second in the real world.
I think that people should not use closed systems like Flash or ActiveX, but otherwise I do agree with you.
 
Let's face it.... There are MANY times more Windows users than OS X. And there are more Android sales now than iPhone(I believe I read that). Flash works great on Windows, and is now working on Android. So..... do the math. Until Apple outnumbers their competitors userbase, they'll just have to dream on SJ changing the standard. He's trying to take on a lot.

FAIL. More Android sales? Sorry you cannot back that up.

Flash does NOT work on Android. Didn't you see the demo?
 
Obviously the poor management at NBC is showing through. It appears that living in the past and ignoring the future is the common mode of operation at NBC.

As to Time Warner who even cares anymore about them?

If color TV was the new technology of the day both of these companies would avoid supporting the new standard. After all Black & White dominate the broadcast industry. Simply put they are the authors of their own destruction.



Dave

So its bad management because they wont bow down at Steve Jobs' feet and revamp their entire content library just because Steve is a whiny toolbox who has a personal grudge against Adobe?

Yea right, whatever.
 
Unfortunately that is true.


I think that people should not use closed systems like Flash or ActiveX, but otherwise I do agree with you.

BTW: we use iPads here so none of what I am saying effects me ;)

We have embraced the technology HOWEVER!!! It was on our roadmap before the iPad was even announced.
 
Everything I need to know about Flash I get when it crashes my browser and/or kills my battery. What else is there to know?

"Hi, I am a developer and I don't want to try something new, even if it will be better than what I am currently doing and will allow my content to instantly be available to millions of users that currently cannot see my content in the bloated, buggy format that I refuse to move from."

So by that same rationale, any app that crashes on the ipad or iphone should cause us to demonize all cocoa apps? Because that is the argument you are making, that ought to punish a valid development platform for the shortcomings of it's developers.

I don't doubt that HTML 5 will be quite good down the road, and I like standards, I do, but this standard is not ready yet. The cost of supporting HTML 5 on all of the major browsers now for a large media company is prohibitive. Especially when you consider that flash is cross platform and they already have expertise (presumably) within in their company with flash.

"Hi, I am a mac end user, and I don't really understand technological issues. But I blindly side with Apple PR. I don't want to listen real life, valid technological reason why I can't get what I want (which is to have my content in a format that underperforms the current standard which has over 90% market penetration). I am going to go download some liberal media snippets and watch them while I eat my organic hummus and consider washing my prius."
 
Yes - instead of Jobs going on the attack - Apple could have actually worked with Adobe to help make Flash more efficient on iPads. But nope.. Jobs goes on a negative attack and reduces the amount of internet content the user can experience on their Apple mobile devices.

HTML5 media will get here.. 1+ years ( after IE9 is released ).

Wrong.

Flash runs like cr*p on Android. That must be Apple's fault.

Wait, didn't Steve Jobs said Flash will run like cr*p on mobile devices?

But Adobe said it had the full support of Google. So you think it must be Google's fault then that Flash works like cr*p on Android? Or is it perhaps it's Adobe's fault for making a POS software?
 
8 Million Reasons

When there are 8 million iPads floating around hungry for content by year s end they will be singing another tune.
 
Not surprised about NBC, they’re the idiots that pulled their content from the iTunes Store and demanded Apple add additional DRM to videos (which Apple refused). Their NBC broadcast network has also been last place for years. Although their MSNBC player works on the iPad.

As for Time Warner, CNN has already gone HTML 5. Other than CNN, what other networks do they have? TBS? CW? It looks like it’s up to the individual subsidiaries to choose.

Fox wlll be the next big network to go HTML 5.
 
There are only two shows on all of NBC worth watching anyway. 30 Rock and the Office which you can get thru itunes, so who really cares what NBC does.
 
FAIL. More Android sales? Sorry you cannot back that up.

Flash does NOT work on Android. Didn't you see the demo?

You FAIL. Android outsold iphone OS in the first quarter this year. They are selling over 100,000 android devices a day, and its increasing every day.

A co-worker has an N1 and I used it to play some flash web games and it worked quite well for a first release. It did get the battery a little warm and it did put a decent dent in the battery meter, but I was playing for over 45mins straight, no crashes, no force closes or anything. Remember that Flash 10.1 release is just a beta the final version wont be released until about october (at least thats according to adobe).
 
Do you, Time Warner and NBC even know what you are talking about when you say stuff like this? Flash is not a codec or a video encoder. It is simply a wrapper used to display video on the web. The "cost" to convert it to something else would be minimal. The whole thing is absurd.

NBC.com has been able to stream videos to the iPhone/iPod for a long time now, so their videos are already encoded so they would work on iDevices. This whole announcement is absurd and ignorant and clearly not made by people at either company who actually understand the technical issues involved in any way shape or form.

very interesting point
 
Six months max before they sing a different tune. Short sighted fools.

I agree. As soon as these idiots realize that a lot of content viewed on the web are from portable devices, especially the ever increasing popularity of the iPad, they will change their tune.

Why in heck would anyone SANE rate this article positive?
 
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