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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!! You have no clue what you are talking about.
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NBC and Time Warner Continue to Back Flash Over HTML5
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$10,000???
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!! You have no clue what you are talking about.
HTML5 has nothing to do with DRM. Flash is a plugin that supports DRM. HTML5 is not a plugin it's a web standart builtin into the browser. Support for DRM video could be builtiin the same way with no need for plugins. Underperforms how?
There is not evidence that states that there were more Android based phones sold than iPhone OS phones. There was a survey that was performed that talked to 150,000 people, that was heavily reported on, but since they do not have access to Apple's official numbers or the sale numbers of the various Android Phones it cannot be considered accurate.
Also that report counts Verizon's buy one get one free Droid promotion as two phones. Even though only one highly discounted phone was paid for. Which is kind of funny that the Android phones get heavily discounted within three months have their release, while Apple is able to continue sell year old iPhone models.
However with that said, Apple did sell over one million iPads in less than a month. In the US alone.
Now as a Flash developer, let me tell you that the time and energy required to fix Flash projects to work on a touch screen is longer than creating native iPhone or Android Apps.
NBC backing Flash, of course they would.
the same way they cant progress out of the 90s with ancient rehashed old programming styles.
Very true to all....the internet has become a much better experience in my opinion when i dont see a flash website..if i do i probably would immediately close out of it.
YouTube, right, is not flash encoded...you can even visit the YouTube site on the ipad and play videos and even websites with encoded YouTube videos play fine in the Safari iPad browser.
the same way they cant progress out of the 90s with ancient rehashed old programming styles.
Very true to all....the internet has become a much better experience in my opinion when i dont see a flash website..if i do i probably would immediately close out of it.
YouTube, right, is not flash encoded...you can even visit the YouTube site on the ipad and play videos and even websites with encoded YouTube videos play fine in the Safari iPad browser.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
That's fine, but for any one example that proves that an established technology must be forbidden or killed for another to take over, there are probably 20+ examples to the contrary. And even in this example, you can still buy serial cards and serial-connecting devices even today. I agree that USB has supplanted the old serial port, but the world (beyond Apple) didn't have to forbid the use of the serial port so that USB could take over. It just did because it was the superior solution (as voted for by wallets).
And before somebody goes there, people are NOT voting against Flash when they are buying iDevices from Apple; they're simply buying great Apple devices. Many find out later that some parts of the web are unavailable on their iDevice.
I recall the stat that there were 8 MILLION requests for a flash player from Apple iDevices in the month of December alone. That's 8 MILLION iDevice requests wanting to access something that was blocked by a corporate choice. An individual user OPTION would allow those that want to burn their batteries faster to do so, while those who abhor the idea of Flash on their iDevices could choose not to install it. There is no user lose in an OPTION, though it would be a way for 8 million requests of iDevice owners in December to get what THEY wanted.
Are you implying that implementing DRM in javascript is as trivial as it is in Flash? If so I would love to know what your programming credentials are.
As far as underperforming I posted the metrics earlier in the thread around page 3 or 4. Flash outperforms canvas handily in almost every test performed. If you want to google some more you can find different benchmarks with the same result.
Just how expensive is it to change over to html5?
I suppose PBS is never going to be able to afford this. I suggest that Steve Jobs make a charitable contribution to this non-profit organization to help them change their programming.
I am not connected in any way to PBS but I am a fan of good programming, i.e. Ken Burns, Sesame Street, Charlie Rose, the Masterpiece Theater, all those great cooking and travel shows.
Someone said the iPad is going to reach the masses because it is affordable. Why not also give them quality stuff.
I suppose PBS is never going to be able to afford this. I suggest that Steve Jobs make a charitable contribution to this non-profit organization to help them change their programming.
I am not connected in any way to PBS but I am a fan of good programming, i.e. Ken Burns, Sesame Street, Charlie Rose, the Masterpiece Theater, all those great cooking and travel shows.
Someone said the iPad is going to reach the masses because it is affordable. Why not also give them quality stuff.
We are talking video here, not canvas. And what it has todo with javascript? "Ideas" out of the blue.
But they are "voting against Flash" with their wallet. Most people by now are well aware that iDevices don't support flash, it's been know for some time now many people are buying their second or third device at this point. The competitors are certainly doing their best to make sure everyone knows. So yeah I think most people have to think to themselves would I rather do without Flash or do without my Apple device, the wallets have spoken. People also have the option of returning the devices when they discover they don't support Flash, I haven't heard of this happening too much. If Flash were really that important the iPhone would have failed and the iPad would have never even been built.
A few hours ago nobody had a thought on NBC and Timewarner, but now they are absolutely horrible just because they decided to stick with flash for the time being, going against Apple's request. I am sooooooooo happy that I don't let corporations dictate how I feel about other corporations, or technologies.
On another thought, in 3 years the average computer will use less than 5% CPU power for flash or HTML5 video, making this debate useless.
On another thought, in 3 years the average computer will use less than 5% CPU power for flash or HTML5 video, making this debate useless.
Thanks for making my mind up... guess I won't be watching any of their content.
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And it is exactly this which they will realise when CBS (and others) talk about how much traffic they get from the iPad community. They will do it at some point, how silly of them not to do it now.
When will you realise that moving the web *away* from a proprietary standard benefits the consumer most of all? If you took your *I hate Steve and everything Apple* blinders off for just one moment you might see that.
One last comment - stupid is the company that says no to touching 1M customers (and growing!) - stupid, stupid, stupid!
I just sent Apple an angry emailI just sent NBC and angry email
Here it is:
Welcome to the Future.
It is time to make your site work on an extremely popular device that allows people to "hold the web in their hands."
Make an app or fix your site for the iPad. And dont say its not possible, because it is.
DONT COMPLAIN!!! JUST DO IT!
People who've done it:
Facebook Video, YouTube, ABC, CBS, TED, CNN, Reuters, New York Times, Vimeo, Time, ESPN, MLB, Netflix, NPR, NHL, The White House, Virgin America, Sports Illustrated, Flickr, People Magazine, Nike, SPIN.com, National Geographic, CNN Money, MSNBC, Fox News, CNET TV, TV Guide, CW Network, Wall Street Journal, EXTRA, Ellen DeGeneres Show, InStyle, Rouxbe Cooking School, LIFE, The Onion, Brightcove, and many more
hmmmm... isn't that list a little intimidating!?
It's your turn now!
http://www.slideshare.net/jimjeffers/building-an-html5-video-player
Thanks!
Here it is:
Welcome to the Present.
It is time to make your iPhone and iPad work on extremely popular web sites that deliver highly requested video content to the people.
Make an app or simply add Flash to OS4. And don't say its not possible, because it is.
DON'T COMPLAIN!!! JUST DO IT!
It's your turn now!
The way I see it is this, Apple don't want to spend money fixing working flash on their mobile devices, instead they expect all other companies to spend more money all together to fix their services to support whichever format Apple wants. And since many of these companies want to show good customer relations (and we all know Apple don't give a **** whats convenient for it's customers) they will spend that chunk of cash to port their services. Smart way by Apple to save some money.
No - it's up to Adobe to prove it. They have asserted that it was possible years ago. Why don't they show a version of it running on the iPhone. They are registered developers. If it was easy to do (and it would be them developing it by the way). Then develop it Heck - they can do it on a jailbroken phone for all I care. Just have them prove that it works. They have yet to do it.
It is not up to Apple to support a third party product. What part of Flash is owned by Apple?
Why are so many morons saying "there's only 1 million iPad users"....
as if this issue only pertains to iPads?
What about the millions and millions of iPhones, and millions of other portable devices that can't (or won't) play flash?
And do you really want all the video controlled by Adobe? Fact of the matter, the technology sucks, and after all their upgrades and promises... it still sucks. Choppy, buggy, crashes browsers.... it needs to die.
as if this issue only pertains to iPads?
What about the millions and millions of iPhones, and millions of other portable devices that can't (or won't) play flash?
And do you really want all the video controlled by Adobe? Fact of the matter, the technology sucks, and after all their upgrades and promises... it still sucks. Choppy, buggy, crashes browsers.... it needs to die.
When html 5 is a solid standard and all browsers support it fully then the switch will be warranted. Until then, stick with what you know works across all browsers.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I don't understand how you can say this "most people" stuff. 8 Million requests for it in December alone on iDevices says that most people don't know. Similarly, that FACT says that lots of iDevice buyers want their iDevice to do something so commonly available all over the web... but they can't. If they "voted against Flash with their wallet" by buying the iDevice, they would already know that they can't see Flash cotent. Thus, there wouldn't be 8 million requests for the player.
Again, limitations are not a deal breaker. iDevices do all kinds of things better than their competition. This is ONE thing that some wish they would also do, but they don't. We always put up with some negatives for enough positives. For example, there is a crowd that would really like Blu Ray to replace DVD on their Macs, but not enough to trade off buying a Mac and enjoying the many other positives. Buying Macs without BD players is not a vote against BD, merely a vote for the rest of what makes Macs a preferable choice. We live with the shortcomings in exchange for other positives.
What 8 million requests shouts is that people would like their iDevice to do this one other thing for them... but it can't... not because it is impossible, but because Apple chooses to forbid it. This is much like wishing for an app to come out to do something (like play NBC content per this very thread). That's an OPTION that the third party (NBC) can support to provide that added functionality to the iDevice experience. As soon as it is deemed worthwhile (profitable) to do that, NBC will, and Apple won't forbid them from doing so because of an arbitrary (say hypothetical future decision) that all forms of video distribution except iTunes is "bad", "battery hogging", "internet clogging", "blah, blah, blah") and thus forbidden.
Flash is not really that different. It can easily be deemed another app, only one with tremendous free content reach, well beyond even something as big as the NBC and/or TimeWarner libraries. It is something that Adobe could code for iDevices, and then it would entirely be on Adobe to deliver or fail... rather than Apple looking like big brother in making such decisions for users.
It's the delivery of the content that has no DRM.
Currently Hulu tries very hard to keep you from downloading their content.
They have been very successful at this. They don't want to lose that capability
Both phones were paid for. BOGO is half price for each phone. The second one is not free, especially since they both require a two year contract, and both users must want the same kind of phone.
It's just a sales technique:
The same way that Apple "gives" away iPod touches with Macs during some sales. The same way that Walmart just dropped the iPhone to $97 with contract. The same way that iPhones are given "free" on contract in Japan and other countries to get new buyers.
Access to 1M people (and growing). That's a big group of people you don't want as customers, when most smart business leaders would say, "Hmmmm, 1M people (and growing) who would be loyal customers if we treated well, plus I wouldn't lose any of my other customers because, well, why would any change affect them. That's a group of people I want to target."
Who says they have to retool their whole library? Deliver the video in an app - I'm sure there are 100s of ways to re-encode (assuming it's not already in compatible format) on the fly and send to the app on the device (which they could charge money for - kaching!).
Media is really not keeping up with the times, and here is a big proof point.
From my experience, the execs and management of many companies out there never fully understood the Web as a medium and many of them have long been under the impression that Flash was the only way to deliver video on the Web. I mean that literally. They didn't view it as the best option. They viewed it as the only option.
Now that reality is coming back to bite them, it looks like many of them either won't let go of this mistaken notion or simply have no interest in reworking the infrastructure they've built up around Flash. This isn't so much about the Adobe vs. Apple thing as it is about a bullheaded insistence of a company's leadership to stick to what they think they know.
Now that reality is coming back to bite them, it looks like many of them either won't let go of this mistaken notion or simply have no interest in reworking the infrastructure they've built up around Flash. This isn't so much about the Adobe vs. Apple thing as it is about a bullheaded insistence of a company's leadership to stick to what they think they know.
You misunderstand the purpose of the Comcast App. It won't allow you to view content. it's a search/tv guide/remote control app.