Screw you NBC.
Off to [website name removed] for me. They'll never see my money again.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Off to [website name removed] for me. They'll never see my money again.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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commercials.....I have not watched a commercial in three years. DVRs are the best invention since the TV. If I can figure out how to get the content off of it and on to my iPhone, I would have the perfect solution.
CJD2112 said:
commercials.....I have not watched a commercial in three years. DVRs are the best invention since the TV. If I can figure out how to get the content off of it and on to my iPhone, I would have the perfect solution.
That's a lot of work.. why don't you currently burn and share apple itunes content?. What's different?.. your friends would still appreciate free shows, regardless of how you got them.
You guys crack me up.. nbc announces that they will have some of their shows for free and you prefer to pay apple $1.99?. why?. Free sounds good to me.
Let's see.. $1.99 vs Free.. I'll take free, thank you very much.
Let's see.. $1.99 vs Free.. I'll take free, thank you very much.
k2k koos
macrumors 6502a
Steve Jobs comments on the deal
well, fake steve jobs that is, but it sums it up nicely 🙂
http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/
well, fake steve jobs that is, but it sums it up nicely 🙂
http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/
balamw
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k2k koos
macrumors 6502a
and after 7 days, it's gone, bye bye, gone, or....., you can BUY it afterwards.....
you're still paying, and well, have a look at this: http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/
Well, there's no way I'm downloading one of those proprietary video players. These companies need to get a clue. And people are not going to go to umpteen different websites to be able to download the shows from each network, do a separate video player for each one, and so forth. Even if it is free, it's too much hassle, not even counting the commercials. What are these companies thinking.
luminosity
macrumors 65816
I'd like to observe that your last line embodies the difference between 20 years ago and today. An entire generation of viewers is now growing up with TiVo, iTunes and cable on demand, among other things. Twenty years ago, networks decided when you watched something. If you missed something when it first aired, you were more or less screwed. Now you have a raft of options.
Of course, TV executives are part of older generations of viewers and often don't understand this (CBS obviously does, as they're leaving well enough alone with regard to iTunes).
Any major feature article on this issue would do well to take these words and quote them:
Unthinkable 50-10 years ago, almost taken for granted now.
i'm amazed by the lack of common sense on these board sometimes.
Guys, NBC didn't go to Apple and say "you must start charging 4.99 for episodes, or we're leaving." Apple wasn't your resolute hero, standing firm for 1.99 episodes no matter what, looking out for the "little guy" and all of that.
Apple obviously wanted half or more of the consumer price. That's a pretty stiff hosting fee. Yes, Apple wanted the price to go down to 99 cents to match their DRM'ed song price, but they were probably asking NBC to take 40-50 cents on the dollar. Of course that stuff is all secret contract detail, but you'll notice that Apple, not NBC, announced to the public that the price would be 4.99 if NBC got as much per episode up front as they wanted. That might have been 1.50 or 1.75, which is probably what they're getting from Amazon for their 1.99 downloads. The difference between Apple and everyone else is that Apple expects to make at least 50% straight profit on everything they sell. If they don't make that mark, then they have to compensate somewhere else.
Parts on the new Nano cost less than 50 bucks? You can bet that Apple's investment money there will end up being less than 10 bucks in addition to-consumer costs by the time they ship a new Nano design. And component prices will drop over the next year or so, further increasing the bottom line. The Nano's profit margin is probably configured to compensate for iTunes music and video sales that presumably will be purchased along with the Nano with a minimal amount of profit for apple (only 10-20% depending on the source).
Don't get me wrong, Apple makes great hardware and great software...but they're much better at raking in the cash and over fist.
I have two macs at home, one at work, 2 ipods and another Mac on the way when I get my christmas bonus. I get it. But I also know that if I could easily put OS X on a self-built generic intel box, I would do that and save myself several hundred dollars in the process. Apple's OS isn't a money-making product by their standards...it's a way to make you buy a new Mac. I wouldn't have purchased a macbook if I could easily install 10.4 on an Acer laptop. I would, however, still want a mac mini for my home theater. They are overcharging for the components, but until someone makes a better machine that takes up less space, that mini is hard to ignore for home theater guys.
The macpro i have at work has a lot more value than my G5 in my eyes, not so much it's faster, but because it's got 4 hard drive bays and 2 optical bays and built-in optical audio, decent amount of room for expansion cards, and relatively-easy-to-upgrade processors. It costs too much by a couple hundred bucks, but it has overkill potential that's hard to ignore. You can stuff a lot of RAM in these puppies.
Guys, NBC didn't go to Apple and say "you must start charging 4.99 for episodes, or we're leaving." Apple wasn't your resolute hero, standing firm for 1.99 episodes no matter what, looking out for the "little guy" and all of that.
Apple obviously wanted half or more of the consumer price. That's a pretty stiff hosting fee. Yes, Apple wanted the price to go down to 99 cents to match their DRM'ed song price, but they were probably asking NBC to take 40-50 cents on the dollar. Of course that stuff is all secret contract detail, but you'll notice that Apple, not NBC, announced to the public that the price would be 4.99 if NBC got as much per episode up front as they wanted. That might have been 1.50 or 1.75, which is probably what they're getting from Amazon for their 1.99 downloads. The difference between Apple and everyone else is that Apple expects to make at least 50% straight profit on everything they sell. If they don't make that mark, then they have to compensate somewhere else.
Parts on the new Nano cost less than 50 bucks? You can bet that Apple's investment money there will end up being less than 10 bucks in addition to-consumer costs by the time they ship a new Nano design. And component prices will drop over the next year or so, further increasing the bottom line. The Nano's profit margin is probably configured to compensate for iTunes music and video sales that presumably will be purchased along with the Nano with a minimal amount of profit for apple (only 10-20% depending on the source).
Don't get me wrong, Apple makes great hardware and great software...but they're much better at raking in the cash and over fist.
I have two macs at home, one at work, 2 ipods and another Mac on the way when I get my christmas bonus. I get it. But I also know that if I could easily put OS X on a self-built generic intel box, I would do that and save myself several hundred dollars in the process. Apple's OS isn't a money-making product by their standards...it's a way to make you buy a new Mac. I wouldn't have purchased a macbook if I could easily install 10.4 on an Acer laptop. I would, however, still want a mac mini for my home theater. They are overcharging for the components, but until someone makes a better machine that takes up less space, that mini is hard to ignore for home theater guys.
The macpro i have at work has a lot more value than my G5 in my eyes, not so much it's faster, but because it's got 4 hard drive bays and 2 optical bays and built-in optical audio, decent amount of room for expansion cards, and relatively-easy-to-upgrade processors. It costs too much by a couple hundred bucks, but it has overkill potential that's hard to ignore. You can stuff a lot of RAM in these puppies.
cliffjumper68
macrumors regular
They do not care about Mac's. This is a bad move for NBC and Fox, they will devalue their content by making it free and difficult to manage/ transfer. The ipod/ apple tv vehicle makes down-loadable content commercially viable. I expect that ripped copies will increase as a substitute and profitability in this sector will degrade. Why can't these media companies see what happened with digital music? Provide a smooth user friendly experience and you can make money. Punish the market and resist your consumers and create a black market. Basic's just basic's.
cliffjumper68
macrumors regular
If you would install OSX on a Acer computer, I have my doubts about you being a Mac user/ enthusiast. Do you work for NBC or Fox? 😕
gkarris
macrumors G3
The only thing lower is OSX on a Dell. Hey, do yourself a favor and keep Windows in these things so you can watch NBC Direct...
Stampyhead
macrumors 68020
Let's see... $1.99 vs having to watch commercials and not being able to put it on my iPod? I'll take $1.99, thank you very much.
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It may be harsh, but I believe it!
I have a companion story on one of my pages titled: NBC Seeks Post-Apple Juice by Nat Worden (The Street dot Com), which contains two sentences from the article, a continue reading link, followed by:
General Electric PROFITS FROM WAR
Companies Who Profit from War Should Not Be Allowed To Own Major Corporate Media for Public Distribution
Filing a Complaint with the FCC is Easy
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints.html
Send General and Indecency complaints about NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News, Meet the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise, CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%) to fccinfo@fcc.gov
Our Consumer & Mediation Specialists are available Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. ET to answer your questions and assist you in filing a complaint. Call toll-free at 1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322) voice or 1-888-TELL- FCC (1-888-835-5322) TTY.
General Complaints may be faxed toll-free to: 1-866-418-0232
It may be harsh, but I believe it!
Maccus Aurelius
macrumors 6502a
I can't see how anyone sees this as a good thing. I liked paying the $1.99 or a season pass to watch the shows I liked. Whoever doesn't like paying per episode doesn't have to, and can leave it to the rest of us that enjoy the convenience. I certainly despise commercials, and I have no wish to own a DVR or have some other method of eliminating it from my content, especially when an option is available to me that provides me videos with zero ads polluting my experience.
Mac market share? Why on earth do people still believe that this is a valid counterpoint?
NBC can suck it.
Mac market share? Why on earth do people still believe that this is a valid counterpoint?
NBC can suck it.
you're not considering the possibility that people might be interseted in the apple software without having to pay a hefty amount of money to use it, especially when they can install about any windows/opensource OS they want on their PC?
I mean, I like a lot of people don't support microsoft by buying a 2000$ PC from Dell, many people build their own computers (or have some website or local store do it for them) and would appreciate if apple offered software for them too.
about NBC: most people would appreciate free content, I would. But most people aren't on these online forums and news sites finding out these things(But on the other hand I don't know how much NBC will market this (or how many people will bother caring if they do)).
they watch things on their TV, or maybe purchase some shows from iTunes. They don't toogle between websites to se what they want. either they turn on the TV when they know it's on, or they don't care.
But hopefully people will start supporting digital distribution more so that we can finaly move on from all these restrictions that have plagued us for so many years.
But in about 10-20 years we are bound to notice a difference. Because by then the people who grew up with high speed internet connections, partial online distribution and PMP:s will be in charge of things.
Allowing OSX on any PC would mean that drivers would have to be written to support a lot more hardware. Apple couldn't do this all themselves, meaning that they would have to rely on 3rd party software/code/drivers for this piece. This would likely have a negative effect on the operating systems overall stability.
LethalWolfe
macrumors G3
If Apple didn't "over charge" for the components (the hardware), and their software margins are low (or in some cases non-existant). How do you expect them to make money? If Apple allowed people to run Apple software on any old computer they'd fold faster than an over-caffinated origami artist.
Lethal
majordude
macrumors 68020
e-coli
macrumors 68000
Let me see. What's easier and makes more sense:
a) asking millions of people to throw away their iPod Video, iPod Touch or iPhone and buy a Zune (or carry a PC laptop around..oh-so-portable) in order to watch shows with commercials
or
b) download the shows (sans commercials) from a torrent
hmmmm.....
Idiots.
a) asking millions of people to throw away their iPod Video, iPod Touch or iPhone and buy a Zune (or carry a PC laptop around..oh-so-portable) in order to watch shows with commercials
or
b) download the shows (sans commercials) from a torrent
hmmmm.....
Idiots.
Passante
macrumors 6502a
Where did you get this information. From what I have read about iTunes tracks Apple gets no where near 50% of the track price for "hosting".
DISCOMUNICATION
macrumors 6502a
Bingo why would anyone think their content is so great you have to go someplace that only carries that? Sony has tried this and failed many times. A tue iTunes challenger doesn't have to be Mac or iPod compatible , but it does need to carry more content not less.
hagjohn
macrumors 68010
Microsoft doesn't make any money selling software... 🙄 I think I would go blind watching things on a such a little screen.