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Nearly Half of Apple Music Users in U.S. No Longer Using Free Trial
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So the survey was off by 27%. Someone needs to revise their methodology. My guess is leading questions and users unaware what actually constitutes "using" Apple Music.
Well, I am enjoying Apple Music, not that matters. But these other services like Spotify, it's their only product so if Apple even takes a small percentage of their user base, it's going to hurt their already slim, if any profits.
This would be the preferred method. Steve always kept Eddy in check. The Beats/Apple Music Fiasco is all Eddy Cue out of control. The Forstall departure was the beginning of Craig's Redmond Type Coding. Tim just is too removed from non "Typical 7-10 day inventory" issues. I'm very concerned about Ives and Newsome leaving at some point to start their own Design Company. I doubt Jony is very motivated these days other than Automobiles.
The next 2 years will decide the future. I wish I could find a single word in your post to rebut. Unfortunately you are spot on.
For me I felt like beats 1 should have been a bigger deal. It should be a DAB radio station, available online via a browser and any other traditional radio outlet.
The whole apple music should have been a different affair. It should have been an app in its own right. The confusion between your music and apple music us too great and once you add in other stuff like playlists and radio. You well and truly have lost your audience.
I still use iTunes match which is another totally different offering and another level of confusion for users.
Apple should have gone back to the drawing board on this one and revised it to be simpler to understand with less options.
The whole social side connect, should have just been part of Twitter or something were sick of maintaining networks and another is just going to fail like ping did.
It should have been beats radio separate app. Adverts but curated by real people available everywhere just like a traditional radio station, in app should have allowed you to request songs via a tweet or hashtag to avoid connect.
Apple music and your music should be in same app but mixed together whereby if you don't own the song you get an advert but you can signore up for Apple music and stream any song you could ever want. There could be playlists for charts etc and a simple check box to play only your music if you wanted, or maybe just offline music which is anything you bought etc.
It's just too much to pack into one app that used to be simple, now it's a mess
The whole apple music should have been a different affair. It should have been an app in its own right. The confusion between your music and apple music us too great and once you add in other stuff like playlists and radio. You well and truly have lost your audience.
I still use iTunes match which is another totally different offering and another level of confusion for users.
Apple should have gone back to the drawing board on this one and revised it to be simpler to understand with less options.
The whole social side connect, should have just been part of Twitter or something were sick of maintaining networks and another is just going to fail like ping did.
It should have been beats radio separate app. Adverts but curated by real people available everywhere just like a traditional radio station, in app should have allowed you to request songs via a tweet or hashtag to avoid connect.
Apple music and your music should be in same app but mixed together whereby if you don't own the song you get an advert but you can signore up for Apple music and stream any song you could ever want. There could be playlists for charts etc and a simple check box to play only your music if you wanted, or maybe just offline music which is anything you bought etc.
It's just too much to pack into one app that used to be simple, now it's a mess
1. My point wasn't about whether Apple had succeeded or failed, it was about how despite Apple Music not being simple to use for the unsavvy, majority side of Apple's user base, I am surprised that the more savvy users that frequent this site are having trouble with and abandoning it.
I didn't read the rest of your comment on the grounds that our wires are clearly crossed and you wrote way too many words for me to want to try uncrossing them any further
Forstall was legit. Too bad they let him go.
If I'm correct Spotify has 20 million paying subs and they aren't making any money anyway.dollars then
but 2.23 million people paying zero is still zero.
Still, 2.23 million paople paying 10 bucks is 22.3 million bucks.
i was half right as usual. But bank on it, apple music is making a buck in future.
That's correct. I'm a savy user, I'm a developer so obviously I know how to use a phone. Still, the Apple Music app is so confusing to me. Looks like they threw everything they could fit on the screen.1. My point wasn't about whether Apple had succeeded or failed, it was about how despite Apple Music not being simple to use for the unsavvy, majority side of Apple's user base, I am surprised that the more savvy users that frequent this site are having trouble with and abandoning it.
I didn't read the rest of your comment on the grounds that our wires are clearly crossed and you wrote way too many words for me to want to try uncrossing them any further
I said it before, 11 million users out of 800+ million iTunes customers with credit cards attached is not a good number.
When will Apple Music come to the Apple TV and what is up with search it only shows up to 20 albums when there are so much more I hate that they changed the search limit that should be a option up to us how big we want the search it is not my problem you still use 56k modem.
It'll be better when they add more radio stations. Beats 1 is trying too hard to ingratiate themselves with the hip-hop crowd. Always hyping up and repetitively playing crappy new music in order to sell more copies. "Literally everyone in the world" is a common phrase when they're referring to who is listening to or talking about some new ****** song du jour. Doesn't make for a balanced, rounded broadcast. The first week they played a diverse array of genres, but I don't hear that anymore.
No, it's too bloated. No style. It keeps listing introductions to artists that I do not need introduction to - artists that are in my music collection. Amazed that they learn nothing from Spotify. Pandora is more savvy.
Apple seems to be a good hardware and OS company. It's pro audio and graphics seem pretty good. But it's general apps like iTunes, Music etc are sad.
Apple seems to be a good hardware and OS company. It's pro audio and graphics seem pretty good. But it's general apps like iTunes, Music etc are sad.
You can be legit as far as tech / design cred goes and still be someone who's getting in the way of what the company has to be on about. It can be disruptive, sometimes in costly ways, when someone valuable but also too ornery or insubordinate (or burned out?) is forced out or leaves in a huff. However, no one is irreplaceable, period.
If you aren't the boss then you cannot count on wagging the dog. If you have a powerful backer somewhere up the line, then you can probably get your way and make it stick for quite awhile. But when that backstop gets disrupted somehow --your rabbi gets canned, dies, leaves and doesn't pirate you along with him-- then you have to be ready to change up on command, or else jump ship.
Sometimes people discover to their horror that they're not actually prepared to leave when it might be time to move on. They know their stuff, they know all the other players, they know how things have fit together and where things are a little weak and where the code is spaghetti so leave it alone already, who knows what it does, work around it, and the whole setup can feel to them --incorrectly-- like job security.
So their next reaction is the wrong one: trying to make it work like it always did. "Here's my idea, let's roll with it, here's all you have to do, it's a piece of cake and a perfect fix..."
Right, but the new guy up top is not going to like having someone else trying put on the brakes or undermine his different instructions. Push comes to shove, new boss wins at least in the short term. Even if he's wrong!
truth be told, that is representative enough, as long as they were randomly chosen.
It should have been, but the real number shows that it wasn't. Flawed methodology, not sample size.
#1 They may have been randomly chosen, but it doesn't matter unless the selected participants are somehow forced to take the survey. If they can opt-out of the survey, that's a HUGE source of selection bias and pretty much already nullifies the validity of the data. After that, even if your data analysis is performed perfectly, you've performed it on crap data.
#2 "Truth"? How are you judging that 5000 (<0.1% of the overall Apple Music users) is "representative enough"? By gut feeling? They haven't revealed any of their methodology, not the least of which requires a "power analysis" to demonstrate that 5000 people is enough.
In my experience, most of these for-profit data analysis companies are pretty lazy with their methodology. Since no one's health is at stake, they can get away with playing fast and loose with their calculations. No one's going to press them all that hard to see their homework. I've seen a lot of **** analysis being done in the financial press. The more controversial their results, the more money they make. If their survey results don't make waves in the press, they can't stay in business.
As statisticians like to say, "78.4% of all data is made up."
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I've stopped using my free trial of AM. I find myself always using SoundCloud and Pandora One instead.
What I don't understand is why they didn't just stay with the iTunes store format (like the iOS itunes store) and let us just play the music for free. Rather they give us an interface that tries to guess good music for me to listen to. I really hate having music pushed towards me. I would rather be able to have a useful interface to "discover" music based on what others like and what is new. Guess what interface gives me that? The iTunes store interface.....
What is it about Spotify that gets you so upset?
Being so popular, while not my choice, it's used and enjoyed by millions.
I hate the fact I can't shuffle my artist. That is driving me nuts. Every time I want to listen to music and go to my iphone I remember that I can't shuffle music from an artist .I have to go to my apple watch to shuffle music from an artist. It's the most frustrating thing in the world that use to be there.