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I can understand why the majority of iOS users have stopped using Apple Music. The platform attracts a lot of technically unsavvy people, many of whom still struggle with basic apps like Photos and Reminders. To them, the new Apple Music would not doubt be daunting...

But to your typical MacRumors reader? I mean, there are a lot of options built in, but it's not that hard to figure out. And what it offers is so great -- huge library of music at your finger tips, curated playlists and artist recommendations tailored to your personal tastes, the option to create and share playlists with friends...

Apple Music is amazing! I'm genuinely surprised that anyone who reads this site isn't willing to give it the five minutes it needs to figure out.

Well, I gave it about two weeks. In that time I kept trying different things hoping to get it to do what I wanted it to do (basically, show the right album art, play the right songs, and stop deleting my owned music from my hard drive). In that time I spent maybe an hour a day using it and a few hours a day finding and fixing things it broke. So...yeah, not feeling the "amazing!" that you've experienced.
 
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I haven't used other streaming services but both my girlfriend and I will be subscribing to Apple Music after the trial ends. For $10 a month, you basically have access to the entire iTunes store. I've probably downloaded around 15-20 albums already for offline play (a killer feature) and continue to find new stuff. If I get just three albums a month that'll be worth it to me. I also enjoy the playlists on it as well.
 
Overall these stats are impressive. In just 3 months Apple has 1/2 the user base of Spotify (if these surveys are even scientific, me thinks they are not). It took Spotify years to get to this point. Also, Apple Music is sponsoring a festival in London. That will up their stats too. More exclusive deals, more concerts, that's how they will dominate and destroy the competition

Your math is a bit off. Since we only have the numbers Eddie Cue gave (11M subscribers) and the survey results (which a 5000 sample size is more than sufficient)...11M subscribers of which 48% stopped using AM already so that leaves 5.72M active subscribers. Of those 5.72M, 61% have turned off auto-renew so that leaves 2,230,800 active subscribers that would potentially sign up for AM after the trial period. Hardly half the Spotify user base.
 
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Umm.... a few thoughts on your comments here?

1. Apple's products attract a lot of technically unsavvy people in the first place! That's practically their business model. Sure, they've always had a lot of "power user" and more technical customers too. But how often does an Apple advertisement focus on that? (I'm struggling to recall it almost ever happening - besides maybe those odd ads they ran when the PowerMac G5 tower first came out, with it blowing someone though the side of their house?) If Apple can't make a product easy and pleasurable for the "average person" to pick up and use, they failed.

2. No question the large music library and curation by real humans are big benefits. But all of that kind of goes to waste when the service fails to deliver. I was previously frustrated by such things as the animated "EQ" displayed to indicate a song has started playing. I was on a slow cellular connection at the time, and kept thinking something went wrong because I'd hit play on a track and see the EQ bars start moving, but heard nothing. Kept cancelling out and playing with my audio settings, etc. etc. Then I *finally* realized the EQ animation is a fake. In reality, my streaming track hadn't downloaded enough to start playing yet, so I had to wait 15 seconds or so for it to begin, ignoring the bars making it look like it was playing something. Bad UI design, Apple! Similarly frustrated with such things as trying to tag an entire album on Apple Music for offline listening. Typically, it seems like doing so at the album level does nothing, and I have to individually select the option for each track in the album to get it to actually download them and mark them as such. (Sometimes if I tag a whole album and then just walk away, I find it downloaded it eventually, at SOME point between then and the next day?)

3. Might not be completely an "Apple Music" specific issue, but it brings more complexity and problems with the whole matter of syncing data across multiple devices. My wife, for example, kept losing her custom playlists she created. We finally realized it always happened when she plugged her iPhone in to her Mac with a USB cable, as opposed to just letting everything sync in the cloud. I believe we worked around that problem by re-configuring iTunes on her Mac to only selectively sync, and unchecking the option to try to sync music, once the device was plugged in and the options appeared to change these settings for that iPhone in iTunes. Still, this is the kind of thing that trips a lot of people up -- and not all of them are patient enough to work through the problem until they reach a solution.


I can understand why the majority of iOS users have stopped using Apple Music. The platform attracts a lot of technically unsavvy people, many of whom still struggle with basic apps like Photos and Reminders. To them, the new Apple Music would not doubt be daunting...

But to your typical MacRumors reader? I mean, there are a lot of options built in, but it's not that hard to figure out. And what it offers is so great -- huge library of music at your finger tips, curated playlists and artist recommendations tailored to your personal tastes, the option to create and share playlists with friends...

Apple Music is amazing! I'm genuinely surprised that anyone who reads this site isn't willing to give it the five minutes it needs to figure out.
 
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5000 is a pathetic sample size of a global service.

This is barely a survey at all. Also asking a demographic consisting of young teenagers are more likely to favour a free service over a paid one even with a free trial due to financial restrictions.

Macrumors is getting close to posting click bait far too often with this sort of "news"

A cross-section of 1000 yields a margin of error of +/-3%. Higher than that the returns are so diminished it's not even worth it, unless a smaller margin of error is truly that important, but they don't even bother to do that with presidential election sample sizes, so 5000 for a music survey is overkill.
 
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spotify simply being free on mac and ipad is why apple music never had a chance.

i love listening to whatever and whenever on my mac and ipad it gives me a chance to make those 15 track playlist and i can shuffle those 15 songs for free on mobile without having to pay a damn dime
You do realize that Spotify free is going away, right? Any iOS user that cares about streaming music will have to choose between Apple, Spotify, Google and few other small options very soon.
 
I was going to subscribe but have opted against it. I didn't use those other music streaming services either, and I'm just not that into pop music (prefer soundtracks, ambient soundscape type things) to justify spending £10/mo on it. The "upload all your music to the cloud and access it everywhere" feature sounds great on paper but I'm worried about it screwing up my music library, and it replacing music with censored or different versions - if they added an option to not match anything at all I'd be up for that. But as it stands... I'm oot.

Oh! And! For some reason it keeps stopping when its playing through my car stereo. So that's pretty useless to me.
 
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You do realize that Spotify free is going away, right? Any iOS user that cares about streaming music will have to choose between Apple, Spotify, Google and few other small options very soon.

spotify still being UI than AM imo, plus the spotify to end free tier rumor has not been verified yet. Last time rumors of spotify ending free tier ended up being false.
 
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Has anyone noticed that if you have Siri play anything you can't save that music for offline listening? Same goes for playlists, I think.
 
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That's a more than adequate sample size. It's actually pretty robust.
Actually, in this case, i'd say it's rather not. As it's US centric, it doesn't give a proper view as it's a global product. I'm not saying the results should be neglected, only that they are only valid as a metric for Apple Musics success in the US, not as a whole.
 
They are not going to be able to sample the entire population, no way can they do that without Apple actually giving them the customer data.

Note this is just pure statistics, that's a very good sample size for what they intended it to be. Unfortunately, one thing you must keep in mind that statistics is just a well-educated guess or a lie depending on who you talk to. This is not to be taken as a pure fact, just a generalized guess based on the numbers they got.

The thing that really needs to be kept in mind is that the sample size means very little if the sample isn't representative of the population. How were the 5000 selected? If self-selected, you're probably looking at a population heavy in the dislike category, because unhappy people are more likely to talk about something than happy people. (People like to bitch.)

Considering the *huge* difference between the survey results, and Apple's statistics (since Apple actually *can* directly sample the entire population with regard to retention rates), I suspect the sample population wasn't representative of the overall population, by a rather large factor.
 
Personally, I dig it. Yeah the UI is a little strange, but I love the "for you" section, and I dig how it works with my airplay music system in my home. I'll stick with it. Every first generation Apple anything is always wonky.
 
The thing that stands out about that article is that is based on 5000 users out of many millions that use it?

It's called the "science of statistics". 5000 surveyed users out of 11 million total users should give you a margin of errof of about 1.5%. I'd say the reported number of 61% (+/- 1.5%) of users that have turned off auto-renew (including myself) is to be taken seriously.
 
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Another Apple service people have tried and don't like, sounds familiar....

I do believe I read many comments on here proclaiming Spotify was dead! Yeah well not surprising it isn't.

Will be interesting to see if Apple can make a success of this, the comments on here are 50/50.
 
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I have allot of special remixes from soundcloud i use in the iDJ app. With Apple Music on, it messes up my whole library. I cannot find my remixed MP3. The music from apple shows up as "DRM track" and is un-usable. I had to disable apple music and recreate my whole library from backup (thankgod for Time Machine!). Back to spotify until they split up the whole thing!
 
You do realize that Spotify free is going away, right? Any iOS user that cares about streaming music will have to choose between Apple, Spotify, Google and few other small options very soon.
yes i have been aware of that but having already used it premium/free for 5+ years and having killer playlist is why i will never switch
 
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Apple Music is a bit of a maze like a lot of Apple's software lately.

I turned off auto-renew but I might stick with Apple Music over Spotify for a few reasons.

$14.99 isn't a bad deal for a family. Spotify, are you listening?

Apple Music works better with the Apple Watch. Sure you can swipe up to a glance to skip a track with Spotify but with Apple Music, you can leave the Watch Music player ready to go and switch playlists and other things.

Lastly, telling Siri to play any song is just cool.
 
Those bad numbers don't surprise me at all. I have turned off auto-renew myself and my teenage daughter signed up for Spotify Premium today. I find the Apple Music interface confusing and extremely user-unfriendly - very non-Apple-like. How did that happen?

But the nail in the coffin for me was the total disregard for less mainstream genres like "classical music". Apple Music does not list composers, even though the iTunes store does. It's mind-boggling. In certain cases - like on a compilation album -there is no way to identify a classical piece of music, for example, without knowing who the composer was. I am sorry Apple. Not everyone counts Hip-Hop as their favorite genre...
 
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Thats a considerable sample size.
For an Apple fanatic, it isn't adequate enough. Crunch the numbers again until there is no doubt that Apple Music is THE BEST streaming music in the world, has a 99.5% retention rate, and is proof that all non-Apple streaming services should die. DO IT NOW!

/sarcasm
 
Big IMO... But Anyone that doesn't understand the interface really needs help. Way easier to find stuff and new music than spotify.

Plus Price is way better 6 people for £15!

The thing none of this takes into account is of course people will take any free service. A lot of people just don't want to pay for it. Or any other service Non music lovers, Pirates etc.

The only stats that matter is who swapped from one service to another.
 
I would like Apple Music if they made it easier to disable 'Connect', remove the 'New' tab and allow me to have 'Playlists' at the front on iOS.

I also don't like that I have to open a slow loading webpage 'For You' tab on iTunes just to search Apple Music when on iOS I can search from any tab.

Edit - Seems the iTunes issue was me having my search settings altered from the default.
 
Students don't need music. It's a luxury. They should be learning that they're expected to pay for what they want, and they should be learning how to make a living and how to make more money. Better learned earlier than later.
You don't mean students. You mean people learning a trade. Students learn about many things, including music.
 
Count me in the "still using it and haven't turned off autorenewal" camp. I like what Apple Music is offering me; though, to be fair, I never really used Spotify or other services, so maybe I don't know what I'm missing from them. Still, I've found Apple Music a great service for not only listening to my own music but finding new and interesting stuff that I probably would have ignored in the album-buying days.
I totally agree! I use it and love it, I don't know why everyone seems to think it's such a complicated and confusing interface. I love "Up Next" I love Siri Genius playlists. And I love that I'm discovering so much cool new music!
(I know it's got bugs, but I've had great luck and haven't had any problems.)
 
Time for Tim to go. :apple:
Nah, just demote him to COO because he's still good at bean counting, nothing more though.

I remember when Scott Forstall was being groomed for CEO before his abrupt dismissal in 2012. Say what you will about Forstall, but he understood good UI design and software engineering. He was said to embody many of Steve Jobs's personality traits (both good and bad) and Jobs took a likening to him in the same way he did with Ive (but in hardware design of course), Cook as we know had no love for Forstall. Apple is severely lacking a Jobs-like individual and we had that in Scott Forstall.

What a shame, Apple software design and engineering has had a major decline in quality since Craig Federighi and Jony Ive took on his roles.

I wish Tim Cook would realize that letting go was a mistake because he ran a very tight ship in the software department and while not perfect, issues like Apple Maps pale in comparison to what has been done to iOS since 7.0 and Cook should ask him to come back, have him once again take over the software engineering and UI design of iOS and OS X. I feel like Apple products were at their best when the hardware and software departments worked separately.
 
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