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So in 10-20 years when these teens become parents, will their kids think Apple is uncool because "that's what my parents used"?

Hmmm.

I don't think so, my 18 Y/O son has been around Apple products all his life and hasn't rebelled! He's just lucky enough to have parents that support his thirst for iStuff. Jailbroke his phone though - I was not pleased!
 
wait, I'm not understanding ... The way I interpret the data, is the iPhone remains strong, but in the tablet side there is a shift away from Apple ...

In fall-12 10% intended to get a Kindle. In march-13 10% got a Kindle, however,
In fall-12 16% planned get at Android tablet, but spring-13 actuals came in at 23% exceeding expectations by 40%+ (at the cost of Apple)

NOW the projection is for 24% Android for next Fall-13 (will Android exceed again?) YET, the smartphone side (iPhone) remains increasing strong.

So what's the driver for the shift?

Price? (iPad is too expensive) if so how come nothing happened to Kindle sales?
Form factor? (was 6-8" tabs the right size ?) The data seems to support this when you add iPad mini + android combined.
OS? (are teens choosing Android for whatever reason) If so why is iPhone side strong, it uses the same OS.
Shear market size? (when you have 72%, there's no where to go but down?)

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Ok, thats a Wikipedia article on sampling. Care to elaborate on why you posted that and quoted me?

I think he means there is no feasible way to survey every teenager in the US hence you have to sample and estimate representation. And 5200 participants is a big chunk of representation.

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And do you think their parents will buy them their next Apple product?
On minimum wage, teens will see what an Apple product reallt costs once their are out of the house.

It might be. There is one big problem with teens - they become non-teens very quickly. And new generation of teens may prefer "Pepsi". Also, teens represent such a small percentage of the population that any survey about the share of any particular product among them tells a lot about teens but not so much about the product.

Brand recognition and trust plus ecosystem investment. Also, iPhones really aren't that expensive compared to Android counterparts and T-Mobile's recent announcement makes access even easier.
 
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Yes I agree they need to innovate their supply chain and production. Apple is simply way behind as far as getting on all the carriers in Asia and other places that competitors exist in. Heck, they are only just now getting on Tmobile in the US and look how fast they are growing here while Android continues to lose marketshare.

If they step up innovation in how they get their devices into Asia and the rest of the developing world, they can experience the same type of growth and dominance they are seeing in the U.S. The product itself is already innovative compared to the competition. Unless you consider something like "S Voice" innovation.

But they are not gaining marketshare and they are not innvating. If your trying to compare the s3( a year old phone) to the new iphone 5 the gs3 is way ahead. ip5 doesnt even have nfc, google now, or s beam. with more and more people preparing to switch to the gs4 apple better get it together because releaseing lookalike phones over and over with a spec bump isnt going to cut it.
 
simple minded people like simple to use things

Actually, intelligent people like to use things that are simple, elegant and well thought out.

People who don't know any better buy copycat products thrown together to make a buck.
 
News article: "Apple mobile devices are very popular among US teens"

A dozen MacRumors geniuses scramble to post: "Yeah, but what happens when that changes and the thing which is true isn't true anymore? heh, I thought so"

Ok, thats a Wikipedia article on sampling. Care to elaborate on why you posted that and quoted me?

If you can't figure out why it was posted, you won't understand the content of the link. Don't worry about it.

Ive had my S3 for a year. It took 5 minutes to root and about 15 minutes to get my homescreen the way I wanted it. No customs roms or such like for me.

So you saying that it's . . . simple, and that's a good thing? Just checking.
 
This is what I have been saying ever since the whole "popularity dying with teens" idea came up.

Everybody in my high school either has a iPhone, wants a iPhone, or is planning to get a iPhone extremely soon.


Those that want a iPhone but aren't planning on getting one always seem to have iPod touches. Apple isn't falling anytime soon.
 
Shouldn't "Planning on buying in the next 6 months" be "Planning on getting their parents to buy in the next 6 months".
 
Hardly a ground breaking survey when only 5200 teens were surveyed!


What do you think would make it a valid sampling? Unless they only surveyed teens in Cupertino CA, I'd say 5,000 teens is a pretty good sample.

Anyway.... interesting to see. :)
 
But they are not gaining marketshare and they are not innvating. If your trying to compare the s3( a year old phone) to the new iphone 5 the gs3 is way ahead. ip5 doesnt even have nfc, google now, or s beam. with more and more people preparing to switch to the gs4 apple better get it together because releaseing lookalike phones over and over with a spec bump isnt going to cut it.

What??? The iPhone 5 is superior to the SG3 in almost every way. They are gaining marketshare and they are continuing to out innovate their competition including Samsung, Motorola, HTC, Sony, LG, Huwaii, etc. Not a single one of those companies are doing anything I would consider innovative. And who the heck uses NFC? The iPhone has Siri which is better than Google Now. Google Now has only a few things it does better but it's pretty "dumb" compared to Siri especially when it comes to calendars and scheduling, Reminders, understanding intent and natural language, OS functions like opening apps, etc. Actually, I would say they are for different purposes. In any case, Google Now will be coming to iOS anyway so what's your point? And S beam? Don't make me laugh.

People love iOS and iPhones and where they are fully available like in the U.S., their marketshare just continues to grow while Android's continues to fall. But more importantly they dominate the high end market which is their focus and where all the profit is. And they have the highest satisfaction ratings in the industry. Apple needs to continue doing what its been doing and that is putting out awesome products that are highly integrated, easy to use, bring value to the ecosystem, and people love. And I see no reason to believe they ever intend to stop doing just that. That's why they keep winning over the competition.

But yes they do need to innovate when it comes to the supply chain and production. People want iPhones and iPads but they are far behind the competition in getting their devices on all the carriers and in all the markets. Sure they are only one company but they can do a lot better.
 
ok wanted to share a cool annoyed picard meme but apparently that doesnt work- anyways, this was captioned:

"how the hell can they afford that?"
 
17 year old here. It's definitely my main go-to device. It's efficient and does everything I need it to. Not planning on changing anytime soon. Samsung doesn't appeal to me. Everyone at my school uses iphones and it's started to become more of a "only cool kids use iPhones" fad.
 
Show us how complicated your toilet is, please.
We need to know how a sophisticated person poops!

Actually, this seems like a reasonable example of a complex device that is simple to use. One lever takes care of all the business.

Of course, we can treat this like and iPhone and ask for "innovative" features like:
  • seat heating
  • multiple levers (pull one lever for #1, pull two levers for #2, pull another lever to wash your rear)
  • better yet, support touchless gestures - hold out one finger for #1 flush, and so on
  • variable water discharge rates (so the flush can be high speed or low speed)
  • a button you press to tell your signifcant other that there is no more toilet paper
  • LED lighting for the toilet rim so guys don't miss during the middle of the night
  • etc
 
Seriously all these analyst predictions and dumb-a** surveys need to be on the back page. Especially anything from Gene Munster or Brian White. :rolleyes:
 
Shouldn't "Planning on buying in the next 6 months" be "Planning on getting their parents to buy in the next 6 months".

Many cell customers in the U.S. are tied to contracts that govern when one can upgrade phones.

So even adults like me who have been in workforce for 25+ years put off purchases for a variety of reasons.
 
It is interesting to note that Windows phone or tablets are insignificant as a percentage among teens in the US.
 
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