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I'm starting to lean towards a Sony XBR65 930D. Reading great things about the PQ (HDR support, color gamut, brightness, black levels, etc.) and also - and I think this is an important concern given the ratio of 4K vs. HD (1080/720) content - the quality of the upscaler is apparently outstanding. Also digging on the [physical] design, and while not much of a factor, the "smart" implementation is supposed to be pretty decent.
 
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well, I'm sure there will be more 4k streaming stuff, and gaming is coming up to that point
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What ever TV you get....purchase an extended warranty as they are all made in China, as fast as they can, with cheap Chinese components....Sony is designed, made in China.....its no longer a quality brand.
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I'm starting to lean towards a Sony XBR65 930D. Reading great things about the PQ (HDR support, color gamut, brightness, black levels, etc.) and also - and I think this is an important concern given the ratio of 4K vs. HD (1080/720) content - the quality of the upscaler is apparently outstanding. Also digging on the [physical] design, and while not much of a factor, the "smart" implementation is supposed to be pretty decent.
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Most review are bought and paid for....bogus BS....buy an extended warranty no matter what you buy....ever see people post how them made big money at home on their laptop? They write phony reviews on Amazon etc...that is how they earn money.
 
Most review are bought and paid for....bogus BS....buy an extended warranty no matter what you buy....ever see people post how them made big money at home on their laptop? They write phony reviews on Amazon etc...that is how they earn money.

I've been buying electronics for a _long_ time and I'm a dev/engineer/writer by trade, I have a decent understanding of the tech and how things are done online, so bogus reviews are pretty transparent to me. However, the material I cited "reading" is from more reliable, SME driven sources, and plenty of reliable, validated, first hand experiences on a number of audio/video [phile] sites.

I think I'll be OK :D
 
RELIABILTY IS NEVER PART OF ANY TEST....so, if it lasts 13 months and dies...go back to the reviewer and tell him...you gave this sony a great review...I bought it ...and it died just after the warranty...what gives?
 
If you're going with a 55", depending on how far back you're sitting it probably won't make a substantial difference clarity wise (unless you plan on using it for displaying a computer screen or something).

Cheaper 4K TVs tend to have low refresh rates, aka 60hz (vs. 120 or 240) which can create ghosting.

Best thing you can do is see the TVs in person and compare for yourself. At this point I'd probably still buy a quality 1080p 55" over a cheap 4K 55" at the same price.
 
Even ones with 120 or 240 Hz can often be of very poor value because when an image is in motion that refresh rate plummets. Meanwhile, I'm trying to think of a way or a really good reason to buy the 100" Z9D.
 
Even ones with 120 or 240 Hz can often be of very poor value because when an image is in motion that refresh rate plummets. Meanwhile, I'm trying to think of a way or a really good reason to buy the 100" Z9D.

Yes, a lot of them cheat too with the refresh rates basically using optical illusions.

I just installed projector in my bedroom. Due to the design of the fire place a fireplace over the mantel wouldn't be feasible. So I did the projection deal. I ***** love it.
 
I will go for SONY KD 55XD8505 (European model), that should be equivalent to X850D in the USA.
Middle class HDR TV and a very good compromise, I would say.
120 Hz refresh rate, excellent picture quality. Maybe a small problem here and there with black levels, but as EDGE back lit LED TV, it's no wonder.
 
Yes, a lot of them cheat too with the refresh rates basically using optical illusions.

I just installed projector in my bedroom. Due to the design of the fire place a fireplace over the mantel wouldn't be feasible. So I did the projection deal. I ***** love it.
You lost me after bedroom.
 
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Due to the design of the fire place a fireplace over the mantel wouldn't be feasible. So I did the projection deal. I ***** love it.

Did you see the Mantel Mount we use downstairs? I generally don't like the mounting position over a mantel (like you're sitting in the front row at the theater), but this drops the set down over and in front of the mantel, close to 30" lower (and it's easily moved back into the "up" position).
 
If you're going with a 55", depending on how far back you're sitting it probably won't make a substantial difference clarity wise (unless you plan on using it for displaying a computer screen or something).

Cheaper 4K TVs tend to have low refresh rates, aka 60hz (vs. 120 or 240) which can create ghosting.

Best thing you can do is see the TVs in person and compare for yourself. At this point I'd probably still buy a quality 1080p 55" over a cheap 4K 55" at the same price.

Another question to consider is how much 4K content can you expect to get from a 4K TV? Unless I'm mistaken virtually zero. Does'nt the new blue ray format yet to come out? While I've not done any significant price comparing, you can probably get yourself one heck of a nice 1080p LED set and save money, maybe substantially.
 
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What ever TV you get....purchase an extended warranty as they are all made in China, as fast as they can, with cheap Chinese components....Sony is designed, made in China.....its no longer a quality brand.
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Most review are bought and paid for....bogus BS....buy an extended warranty no matter what you buy....ever see people post how them made big money at home on their laptop? They write phony reviews on Amazon etc...that is how they earn money.
Which is why I go to rtings.com for TV reviews. Best site, hands down.
 
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Another question to consider is how much 4K content can you expect to get from a 4K TV? Unless I'm mistaken virtually zero. Does'nt the new blue ray format yet to come out? While I've not done any significant price comparing, you can probably get yourself one heck of a nice 1080p LED set and save money, maybe substantially.

Pretty much what I said in post 2. Blu-Ray, streaming and game consoles are the only places we're likely to see any significant content in 4K in the lifespan of a TV bought today. Unless you do a lot of gaming, streaming and Blu-Ray watching (if you have devices to send 4K to the TV already) then it might be a good buy but if you're looking for strictly viewing of TV broadcasts, it's a waste.
 
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Did you see the Mantel Mount we use downstairs? I generally don't like the mounting position over a mantel (like you're sitting in the front row at the theater), but this drops the set down over and in front of the mantel, close to 30" lower (and it's easily moved back into the "up" position).

I actually did notice that the other day, I'd never seen anything like that. Basically my issue is there is no way to cleanly run the wires without tearing the fireplace and wall apart. The area around the fireplace is all wood paneling. My building was built right around 1900 so it's hard to predict what's behind the walls.

So instead I mounted an electric screen to the wall, bolted a projector to the ceiling, installed an outlet near the projector, and put a cable pass through in the wall. I'm very pleased with the result. Still have to solidify a plan for audio, but in the meantime I have it up and running.
 
I kept re-reading your post and assumed you were projecting a fireplace onto your bedroom wall. Now I understand you're projecting TV onto your wall. I had no idea you could do that. But I do wonder if you noticed a spike in your bill or extra heat in your bedroom. Projectors aren't very efficient.

And 1900 NE building? Hollow space, dead animals, maybe worker's tools and other junk.
 
I actually did notice that the other day, I'd never seen anything like that. Basically my issue is there is no way to cleanly run the wires without tearing the fireplace and wall apart. The area around the fireplace is all wood paneling. My building was built right around 1900 so it's hard to predict what's behind the walls.

So instead I mounted an electric screen to the wall, bolted a projector to the ceiling, installed an outlet near the projector, and put a cable pass through in the wall. I'm very pleased with the result. Still have to solidify a plan for audio, but in the meantime I have it up and running.

Oh neat, OK, yeah, I can understand the building issue too. My first house I bought was in the old Riverside area of Jax, built in the early 1920s, plaster walls, counter balanced windows, two additions before my purchase, one of which retained and built _over_ the original roof - secret doors, skeletons ... and lots of ghosts. :D

I think projectors are a great solutions and they're not used enough, in fact at one point I was thinking of one for our bedroom.
 
Oh neat, OK, yeah, I can understand the building issue too. My first house I bought was in the old Riverside area of Jax, built in the early 1920s, plaster walls, counter balanced windows, two additions before my purchase, one of which retained and built _over_ the original roof - secret doors, skeletons ... and lots of ghosts. :D

I think projectors are a great solutions and they're not used enough, in fact at one point I was thinking of one for our bedroom.

Yes, much easier to wire up through the wall behind my headboard than to try to get up through the fireplace somehow. The walls of the fireplace are actually are wood, hard to tell after 100 coats of paint, the walls are either plaster or drywall or both, the ceiling is plaster with wire lathe, with an extra layer of drywall :eek:. When they last revamped the building, evidently ~10 years ago they were nice enough to install Ethernet jacks, central HVAC, new windows, room-room intercom+music... but not have more than 1 outlet in my 12x18' room (thankfully directly below where the projector outlet needed to go). This place probably has the newest kitchen I've seen with a trash compactor... didn't realize they were still a thing.

In any case, I'm quite happy with the projector. Obviously the downsides would be the cost compared to a conventional TV, along with not exactly the same degree as sharpness or contrast you'd easily get out of a traditional TV. Then again with projectors, the sky is the limit with how much you want to shell out.
 
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What ever TV you get....purchase an extended warranty as they are all made in China, as fast as they can, with cheap Chinese components....Sony is designed, made in China.....its no longer a quality brand.
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Most review are bought and paid for....bogus BS....buy an extended warranty no matter what you buy....ever see people post how them made big money at home on their laptop? They write phony reviews on Amazon etc...that is how they earn money.
Extended warranties are the biggest rip off in the market today.
 
Bacong, unless your TV is 60" (diagonal) or larger, forget about 4K. I cite the following reasons:

1. You can't see the difference between 1080p and 2160p (4K) on a smaller screen set.
2. Because the ATSC 3.0 Ultra HD broadcast standard hasn't been settled yet (it'll be finalized April 2017), you want to avoid getting getting any 4K TV out of fear it may be rendered obsolete with the final ATSC 3.0 standard.

Besides, 1080p TV's up to 55" in size are dirt-cheap nowadays even from the major brands like Sony, Samsung and LG.
 
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