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Nest software is mediocre at best.
Lately it seems that the word "mediocre" is always followed by the words "at best", and usually without any explanation or supporting argument.

It's as though people want to call it poor, but don't want to go out on a limb so they call it average, but then hint that it might be less than average (without having to say why).
 
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Lately it seems that the word "mediocre" is always followed by the words "at best", and usually without any explanation or supporting argument.

It's as though people want to call it poor, but don't want to go out on a limb so they call it average, but then hint that it might be less than average (without having to say why).

Anyone who had one or has one knows what i'm talking about. I had one for 2 years and 1 month.
 
wow alot of hate with Nest in here.

I owned two Nest. it was revolutionary and it still is. No other thermostats come close to it. It was a new standard and still is.

people still complain about ios and iphone even though they both are industry standard.
 
Anyone who had one or has one knows what i'm talking about. I had one for 2 years and 1 month.

I have one . What makes it mediocre at best, as you seem to be representing all the current nest users ... What do you want it to do, that it does not ?

I had a conversation with another 2 users at gatwick airport 2 weeks ago over brekkie and we thought it was a solid product.
 
Flown the nest with a nice nest egg.
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wow alot of hate with Nest in here.

I owned two Nest. it was revolutionary and it still is. No other thermostats come close to it. It was a new standard and still is.

people still complain about ios and iphone even though they both are industry standard.

You're either being facetious, which I admire, or serious, which is somewhat worrying. It's a THERMOSTAT - they've worked invisibly and without complication for years, being simple electromechanical or basic digital units without stupid internet connections, before the "internet of things" was coined as a phrase. No, not "revolutionary" one bit.

Who cares if it's too warm? Get off ya fat asses and WALK to it and turn it down; you'll burn some calories in the process :)
 
When is the public apology coming for Apple Music?

It's entirely possible Music works well for the majority of people subscribed to it. It seems the people that have had the most issues with it are those who have extensive personal music collections that have been curated over many years. If you don't have that and are just using it for streaming it works fine.
 
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My guess is the Apple logo.

Agreed. For a first generation product, nest is solid .
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It's entirely possible Music works well for the majority of people subscribed to it. It seems the people that have had the most issues with it are those who have extensive personal music collections that have been curated over many years. If you don't have that and are just using it for streaming it works fine.

Agreed. I think for many, especially new to Apple it works fine. For me, being a long term user, I hate the UI design and convoluted menus, very un Apple like and lacking simplicity.
 
...Because his current IoT products have been so successful? Sorry but I think this guy has an over inflated sense of himself.

Probably true. But one has to admit that the Nest was a great leap forward in the IoT field at the time it was introduced. It was exactly what I had thought a thermostat should be for years and years, and then some. It addressed some of the big things that were wrong with not only programmable thermostats, but all of them. It had a display you could actually read without turning on every light in the house and/or getting out a magnifying glass and flashlight. It didn't take a masters degree and half a day to program. And you could adjust it from anywhere in the world.

The Nest might have been Fadell's one lucky swing out of the park, but it was an awesome one.
 
Come on , Walkmans, diskmans, mini disks, trinitrons ......PlayStation !!

It's like saying iPod was just another MP3 player.

One can argue the PlayStation did to Sony , what iPod did to Apple.

How is it not like Apple , apple has not reverted to from at present? Just look at the iPad Pro range? Outdated iMacs, underperforming Mac mini , outdated MP3 iPods ... Rumoured iPhone 6SS....outdated notebooks, 3 year old Mac Pro....

At which point was Apple a huge innovator? They did what Sony did, took current products and made them better. Take the PS1, a Much better console of what existed

Your response illustrates the point I was making. If Apple releases incrementally improved versions of existing products, they are lambasted for not doing enough. When Sony does the same, they are innovating. Different expectations resulting in different standards.

Incidentally, the key to the importance of the iPod wasn't the device so much as it was the iTMS. The combination of the two turned the music industry on its ear. It was a case of Apple figuring out how to make something big happen, where others had tried and failed. Including Sony.
 
wow alot of hate with Nest in here.

I owned two Nest. it was revolutionary and it still is. No other thermostats come close to it. It was a new standard and still is.

people still complain about ios and iphone even though they both are industry standard.

Well no... it works for some people with a certain kind of heating setup. The honeywell evohome is by far a better system. Single radiator / multi zoned controls and compatible with home automation systems much more than nest.
 
Well no... it works for some people with a certain kind of heating setup. The honeywell evohome is by far a better system. Single radiator / multi zoned controls and compatible with home automation systems much more than nest.

after iphone smartphone revolution, Nest is one of the FIRST MASS-market smart internet of things. Others are just followers years after Nest was released.

that was the reason Google paid billions to have it.
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Flown the nest with a nice nest egg.
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You're either being facetious, which I admire, or serious, which is somewhat worrying. It's a THERMOSTAT - they've worked invisibly and without complication for years, being simple electromechanical or basic digital units without stupid internet connections, before the "internet of things" was coined as a phrase. No, not "revolutionary" one bit.

Who cares if it's too warm? Get off ya fat asses and WALK to it and turn it down; you'll burn some calories in the process :)


here is the fact for you. Google paid billions to just have a "thermostat". Last time they did that was buying youtube for billions many many years ago.

if Nest is so bad or it is just a "thermostat", why cost so much? are you saying that you are smarter than Google? Fadell is leaving but with billions in pockets.

where is your fact? or is it just a guy's opinion on a forum?
 
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Your response illustrates the point I was making. If Apple releases incrementally improved versions of existing products, they are lambasted for not doing enough. When Sony does the same, they are innovating. Different expectations resulting in different standards.

Incidentally, the key to the importance of the iPod wasn't the device so much as it was the iTMS. The combination of the two turned the music industry on its ear. It was a case of Apple figuring out how to make something big happen, where others had tried and failed. Including Sony.

Interesting that my responces keep illustrating your point, while your ignore the point I'm making. ;) trust me, we are not talking about the same thing.

Sony, and by virtue Japanese companies are not innovators . Both Sony and Apple at thier peak , produced better versions of products that were already existing , both can claim its innovation , while in reality it's refinement. Sony went through a golden age of producing refined electronic goods .... Apple also went through a golden age... Fan will call this innovation.

Let me explain using consoles , when Sony launched the PlayStation, it was the best console in the industry , refined, sleek, ahead of its time, and an excellent implementation of user experience , hardware and software. They copied everyone and got it right . They were way head of the pack.

Now enter Apple, they release the iPod, same thing , excellent implementation of user experience of hardware and software

Neither one of them invented anything , they "innovated" by copying and getting it right.

Do the same thing for 5-10 products for both companies , and you can see that at the peak both companies were "innovating" and leading their respective industries , ahead of the pack.

Now for MY point. Sony, went from pack leader to being just one of the pack, they stopped making new class leading products, they fragmented their own product lines, canabilized thier own product lines and instead of thier products leading the industry , they started copying the competition. Case and example , PlayStation ..... They let Microsoft , and Nintendo back , cause they cruised.....

Sound familiar with Apple at the moment? Say industry leading iPhone, now being part of the pack, and taking featured from the competition.

Do you see my point now? Sony stopped being the pack leader.....with its products far superior to others.

Which leads me to the last point you raised, where Sony got it wrong and where Apple got it right, and the danger Apple faces. Greed and proprietary software / hardware. iPod was not a superior product, Sony could have created an iPod killer big time, but they stuffed up big cause they got greedy, thier superior players were hamstrung by proprietary memory sticks and that stupid Sony conversion software, meaning you had to convert all music you had..... The iPod allowed you to drag and drop MP3 songs.... On Mac and PC, Rest is history . Stupid management and greed meant they let a competitor through . Remind you of anyone leading Apple at the moment that puts profit first ?

When I say , Apple is going be way of Sony, do you understand my point ? I'm not illustrating your point. It's about leading the pack, not Being part of it.
 
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You're either being facetious, which I admire, or serious, which is somewhat worrying. It's a THERMOSTAT - they've worked invisibly and without complication for years, being simple electromechanical or basic digital units without stupid internet connections, before the "internet of things" was coined as a phrase. No, not "revolutionary" one bit.

Who cares if it's too warm? Get off ya fat asses and WALK to it and turn it down; you'll burn some calories in the process :)
You being up a very good point. Are these useful? Will there be a backlash?

We are in the middle of a gold rush of "TCP/IP stack enabled devices" as originally described almost fifteen years ago. Took a while for the semiconductor to and marketing to catch up to the concept. Now the market is placing a microcontroller with a TCP/IP on any appliance and see what sticks. Thermostats are one of them.
Go to any appliance section of a department store and see if you want that on the Internet. Your vacuum cleaner, air purifier, rice cooker, blender, bar-b-q, refrigerator, washer, dryer, air conditioner, toaster? Beleive it or not, there are start-ups pushing an Internet connection to all of these devices.
 
Why don't you just get an Alarm.com system (with 2GIG GC3 as the hub/panel)? Alarm.com is so far ahead of the game in Home Automation. Last month they just updated there system to work with Amazon Echo. I love Apple products but HomeKit is a joke.
Why do I need to pay for a whole alarm system and monthly fee? My new house isn't in a bad area, but on the edge of a decent sized college town, and my property is in a nice, newer neighborhood near the border of the city and county. I just need a smart thermostat and the ability to control my front door lock. I don't need a whole proprietary solution and monthly fee.

We have a daycare in the downstairs walkout part of the house, and the Schlage lets us set pins for different parents that only work during business hours, and it automatically re-locks itself after a set period of time. If someone forgets their pin, or a grandparent is picking up, my wife can remotely unlock the door. It connects to the Apple TV and allows us to remotely open the door from anywhere if someone needs to grab something from our house.

I want HomeKit so everything works with Siri and any upcoming advances in iOS because I'm deep into the Apple ecosystem. Apple will make HomeKit better over time, such as the rumored app they're working on for iOS X. As an Apple Watch owner, I find it really attractive to be able to use voice commands from my wrist to control different parts of my home. We're also looking at these motorized blinds that use HomeKit for the three large windows (that would be difficult to operate manually and don't currently have window coverings) we have along the back of our house that look out over our forested back yard. I like the idea of having them automatically controlled by time of day, maybe light sensors, or perhaps by our thermostat or outdoor temperature sensors to save on energy during different times of day. And I can set scenes so everything happens at once.

We're still in the early stages, but I think HomeKit is going to have a long and full lifespan—especially as low energy mesh networks, full-home voice control and wireless power begin to become prominent.
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This. I bought a Nest as soon as they were released, and I loved it at first. But when Google bought them that was the beginning of the end for me.

I sold my house in September, and the Nest stayed there. The old owners rented my new place back from me for several months, but I had the Ecobee waiting in a cabinet, and it was the first thing installed when I took possession of the house. I, too installed the Schlage, along with 8 Lutron Caseta switches throughout the place. Hue lives there, too. And on June 15th (hopefully) I will be ordering a couple of Hunter Signal HomeKit enabled ceiling fans.

But Nest and I are done for good.
Do you find that the Schlage had decent range? Does it connect with your Apple TV to extend the range or? That's my only concern with it, but I liked that it connects with the Apple TV and my Apple TV should be within range of the door to extend it.
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Please write a review of your experience with the Sense Smart. I'm holding off until Apple unlocks the NFC API so I can use my Apple Watch WITHOUT my iPhone, WITHOUT waiting for Bluetooth to pair, and WITHOUT having to connect to my home's wi-fi to lock/unlock my front door when I go running. Hopefully it's a simple as double-tapping the button (like I do for Apple Pay), swiping past my cards to an icon of a key, and holding up to the door lock.
We're mainly getting it for my wife's daycare as it would be a pain in the new place to have to run up and down the stairs across the house each time a parent comes to pick up. You can set pins for different people and limit what times on what days they have access, and I think it can alert when the door is opened so she knows when a parent is coming down. I doubt we'll use the front door ourselves very often as we usually use the garage door, but I can test it when we move and I get things setup around the beginning of next month. Having a pin makes wireless entry more trivial for me because it's also pretty fast. I just like that it has smart features for the pin programming, my wife can wirelessly open the door if a grandparent or whoever is picking up (parents usually text her in advance), and you can set it to auto lock after a certain period of time. I hope it lets us set auto lock based on what happens. For instance, if it takes a parent less than five minutes to pick up then it auto locks after that. But if someone gets chatty and they have to manually unlock the front door to leave, I'd like it to auto lock immediately behind them when the door is closed. Hopefully it gets some updates over time. I'm pretty set on getting it, but waiting to order until after WWDC to see if any new products are announced. The August lock looks neat, but I've heard complaints about range.
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Same here, almost. We did not chose a new house, but the Nest went to someone that cares less about it working correctly and we have a new Ecobee3. Seems to be working great.

With that said, it seems to me that Fadell is really the image of the new Apple. Nice and shinny on the outside, but not so much inside. Except that it would be stupid for Apple to take him back, it does seem he is cut from the same mold as the Tim Cook Apple.
How is the range with the external sensors? Did you install just the one extra or buy more? I'm thinking one downstairs in the daycare, one in the master, and one in our newborn baby room when that happens. But I don't recall where our thermostat is located in the new house, so hopefully it's more central and can communicate well. Has the battery life on the sensors been ok? Thanks.
 
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How is the range with the external sensors? Did you install just the one extra or buy more? I'm thinking one downstairs in the daycare, one in the master, and one in our newborn baby room when that happens. But I don't recall where our thermostat is located in the new house, so hopefully it's more central and can communicate well. Has the battery life on the sensors been ok? Thanks.

The range is not so good. Ours have been installed for 6 months, no dead batteries yet. We have 6 sensors, since the first 3 did did not work correctly and Ecobee sent us a duplicate set. In all honesty, I don't see any difference. They disconnect from time to time, but our system performance is not dependent on them, its more just being able to look at different temps in the house. I'd say one disconnects every other day and them sometime later reconnects on its own.
 
I understand your point, I just don't agree with it.

Fair enough. Hence I found it strange when you said my replies supported your point of view, where we clearly disagree.

The great thing about MR, everyone gets to share an opinion and have a debate .
 



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Tony Fadell, widely known as the "father" of the iPod and the creator of the Nest Learning Thermostat, today announced he is leaving Nest and Nest parent company Alphabet.

Fadell, Nest's founder, has been with Google since it acquired Nest for $3.2 billion in 2014 and has worked on projects like Google Glass in addition to continuing to run Nest Labs.

In a blog post, Fadell says he has decided the time is right to "leave the Nest," a decision that was originally made late last year. Fadell will not be present for day to day activities at Nest, but he plans to remain involved with the company as an advisor to Alphabet and Larry Page.Fadell says his new role as advisor will provide him with "time and flexibility" to pursue new opportunities and "create and disrupt other industries." He's leaving Nest with a two-year roadmap in place and Marwan Fawaz, a former Motorola executive, will be joining Nest as CEO.

According to Bloomberg, Fadell's departure follows some recent issues at Nest, including a long length of time between product releases and software issues with the Nest Protect smoke detector that led to a recall.Tony Fadell, in addition to being known for his work at Nest Labs, is credited as one of the original creators of the iPod, heading up the project as senior vice president of the iPod division from 2006 to 2008. Fadell started at Apple in 2001 and helped to produce early versions of Apple's iconic music player.

Article Link: Nest Co-Founder Tony Fadell Leaving the Company
Macrumors needs to expain how the hell this is in any way relevant to us.
 
After purchasing and throwing away a Nest product, I might know why he is leaving Nest.
 
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