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Nest Now Shipping 'Hello' Smart Doorbell With Night-Vision Camera and Two-Way Audio
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You mean how Nest won’t work with HomeKit? I agree. Which is why I’ll never waste money on anything by Nest.
So now the Google ecosystem can track how many people enter and leave my house, how many parcels are delivered to my front door, and the time of day everything happens. Not to mention where I'm driving (Waze), what I'm searching, how much energy I use to heat my house, and whether I have any cooking failures that result in a false smoke alarm signal.
If only the government had such good surveillance on criminals.
If only the government had such good surveillance on criminals.
They'll be getting recorded as they attempt to remove it, so it doesn't seem like a great idea. Plus I don't think there is a huge market for used smart doorbells.
I have a z-wave lock, I didn't buy it for security, I bought it for convenience, I don't have to carry a house key around anymore, and by the time I pull open the storm door the front door is unlocked for me since my phone is there. It also has a keypad as a failsafe if my system goes down, but I rarely use it other than for guests.
My thought is - my living room and dining room are nearly all windows. My deck has 3 glass panes. If someone wants to break into my house to steal they aren't going to figure out how to hack my home automation system, they'll just bust the glass and unlock the door.
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Except instead of unlocking the door it will be offering to "look up unlock the door on the web for you."
The nest fire/co v2 are able to detect BOTH smouldering fires and fast flames - cheaper units can typically only detect one or the other based on detection method. That in itself makes it worthwhile to me. This, along with the unit automatically shutting off the furnace when fire or co is detected makes the alarm safer. In terms of cost I will be spending around 500 for my requirements. Since these have a lifespan of 10 years, I can justify 50/yr for safety.
I also believe that the unit can act as motion detectors for automation.
I also believe that the unit can act as motion detectors for automation.
Now you know how the Google, Amazon and Microsoft owning public feels about apple.
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Why? Out of all the home automation hubs/frameworks/etc, HomeKit is one of the worst. Apple was way too late to the game and not enough devices work with it (plus Siri is pretty stupid).
Yet you trust a mechanical lock? It's much easier to break into your house when you're physically there than it is to break into it remotely, over a network. All one has to do is break a window, pick the lock, etc. As someone once used to say to me all the time, "locks are to keep your friends out".
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My August lock took me about 10 minutes to install. It's convenience is priceless to me. Nothing like coming home with bags of groceries and I don't have to fumble with keys because the door unlocks automatically. For that matter nothing like coming home and not having to fumble with keys.
Sure, the old school door lock was never broke. Neither were the old school car keys. But I'm grateful technology advanced to the point I don't have to fumble with car keys either. If you don't like technological advances and the convenience they bring why follow it on a site like MR? Wouldn't horseandtiller.com be more up your alley?
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I don't think it's emotional. That's left to the online fanatics. To companies it's just business. Yes, they are going to favor their systems unless it's in their advantage not to -- See: iPod for Windows and iTunes for Windows. Also see: various Amazon, Google, MS apps for Mac OS and iOS.
I'm on my second Nest and I've been very happy with it, I don't mind that it doesn't have Homekit support.
Hopefully someone can help me understand the room sensors. I assume this would suit someone who has a home that has more than one "zone" or multiple thermostats. I guess I don't understand how the sensors would help with only one thermostat. I get that you could have your master bedroom at 68 degrees, but lets say you also want you Den to be at 64 degrees, what will the thermostat decide to do? It will have to work harder to get your master bedroom to 68 degrees which will in turn raise the temperature in the Den..perhaps you can set the sensors to kick in at only certain times of the day?
Hopefully someone can help me understand the room sensors. I assume this would suit someone who has a home that has more than one "zone" or multiple thermostats. I guess I don't understand how the sensors would help with only one thermostat. I get that you could have your master bedroom at 68 degrees, but lets say you also want you Den to be at 64 degrees, what will the thermostat decide to do? It will have to work harder to get your master bedroom to 68 degrees which will in turn raise the temperature in the Den..perhaps you can set the sensors to kick in at only certain times of the day?
I purchased the Schlage Sense (HomeKit compatible).
We have pets that don't always come along on trips, and being able to remotely allow access to a family member or trusted friend is much more convenient and safe than the old leaving a key under the doormat.
When I want to go for a run, I just take my Apple Watch and can lock up the house without having to carry my keys with me.
Installation took about 30 minutes or less, and using the App is straightforward. You also get notifications when the door is locked or unlocked for added peace of mind.
You're right, it may not be worth the convenience for some, but I can't imagine not having it after using it for the past year or so.
Ecobee (which has had this capability for years now, neat to see Nest finally getting it) does it this way:
The thermostat still has just one temperature setting.
The thermostat uses the remote sensors to monitor temperatures in other rooms, **as well as occupancy** of the other rooms.
So if the only occupied room at 11PM is your master bedroom, Ecobee will run your HVAC until the master bedroom temperature equals whatever you have the thermostat set to. This will cause the temperature in other rooms to vary. Since they're unoccupied, Ecobee doesn't care.
In the case where there are multiple occupied rooms in your house, Ecobee runs the HVAC until the average temp of the occupied rooms equals whatever you have the thermostat set for.
Then when they go to sell their home they replace all the nest alarms with $81 worth of kiddies. Chump change.
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Chicken little, let me know if you need more tin foil to wrap the inside of your house with.
Yep, I have had a Ring doorbell since launch. They aren't perfect and I've been through two devices due to battery failure, but Ring simply shipped out a replacement on two occasions - no quibble.
Meanwhile, I complained to Nest about my smoke alarm which kept going off and telling me my house was on fire when I was at work (and it wasn't), it took me 6 months to get a replacement device. The only way I got Nest to send the replacement, in the end, was to post a video on YouTube about how crap their product was.
I'm pretty sure Ring replace your doorbell camera if someone steals it.
Another reason to buy Ring. I don't work for them by the way but I have used their doorbell since launch and it just works (until the battery fails and you need it replaced, but they send this out for free)!
Yep, I have had a Ring doorbell since launch. They aren't perfect and I've been through two devices due to battery failure, but Ring simply shipped out a replacement on two occasions - no quibble.
Meanwhile, I complained to Nest about my smoke alarm which kept going off and telling me my house was on fire when I was at work and it took me 6 months to get a replacement device. The only way I got Nest to send the replacement, in the end, was to post a video on YouTube about how crap their product was.
I'm pretty sure Ring replace your doorbell camera if someone steals it. Another reason to buy Ring. I don't work for them by the way but I have used their doorbell since launch and it just works
It think August does the same, maybe Skybell too?
The Yale keyless lock is the only item (besides my HomePod) on my Home app so far. I like having fewer keys on my keyring. I'm looking forward to owning a Tesla Model 3, where my iPhone will be the key.
I like being able to check on the Home app whether the door is currently locked (which I can do from anywhere).
Eventually, I'll have a full suite of home automation devices, but I live in a rented home for now. Automating it doesn't make sense to me yet.
I'm one of the biggest Apple geeks around and even I'm about to give up on HomeKit. I have an Ecobee and find myself rarely needing the HomeKit integration. Same with our smart lock. Doesn't seem useful enough. Then I've got things like a Ring Doorbell and Floodlight that they've been working on adding HomeKit forever.
So does anybody know if Nest has gotten their crap together? This looks like progress and for a long time it was just turmoil over there. I had a Nest early on in my last house and left it for HomeKit options at my new house, especially since Google bought it. But I'm about to the point where I don't care—especially if it's outside my house and not inside, save for the thermostat which doesn't have a mic or camera. My wife complains about the Echobee a lot and wishes we still had the Nest. I do like the temperature sensors for the Ecobee, but if the Nest is getting that then maybe I should switch back? I also like how this new Nest doorbell is higher resolution video than the Ring Pro and has local storage options. And while it's not all integrated into HomeKit, at least it's all integrated together in some fashion. Heck, Ring doesn't even support IFTTT which is pretty much standard these days as the bare minimum needed to automate random things together. And Ring sometimes just doesn't want to connect at all, whether I'm at home or away, even though I've got a powerful AirPort Extreme 802.11ac router that gets around 100Mbps download speed and 25Mbps upload at both locations outside.
Home Automation is a nightmare. We just need a secure API using tokens so that everything can talk together. I'm tired of all this proprietary bullcrap! Apple needs to stop faffing about and just make their own home hardware that's as easy to setup as AirPods using specialized W chips for each low-power wireless device.
The Nest Hello is a a wired doorbell, so it works just like any traditional doorbell. It rings the attached bell. My understanding is the Ring Chime is only necessary for for wireless installs where the Ring is operating off battery and has no physical connection to the wiring inside the house. I think the Ring Pro may use the same connection, but it's a little hard to tell if it just draws wired power or has a bell output as well.
We've found similar. I work from home in a small office upstairs during the day. So there's no need for the heating to be on downstairs during the day. But then it can be warm upstairs, and pretty cold downstairs by late afternoon. Or if the heating is on downstairs, it can get too warm upstairs.
It would be a nightmare going around continually adjusting the TRVs, so we've kind of been in the habit of moving the thermostat around the house. But we've just made the switch to the Tado radiator TRVs to control every room. Too early to say how much different it will make, especially coming out of winter. but in theory it should make a big difference, and get a more even temperature around the whole house.
If you live in a neighborhood with concerns like those, then home automation is the least of your worries.
Did you even read the article?
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Most of these including Ring if you have it video recorded and a police report they will replace it for free.